Modern Warfare 3 - New Details From Kotaku - Games

[img]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/mw3_sandman_splash_01.jpg[/img] [b]RELEASE DATE[/b] [b]NOVEMBER 8, 2011[/b] From Kotaku [url]http://kotaku.com/5801226/the-modern-warfare-3-files-exclusive-first-details-on-the-biggest-game-of-2011[/url] [url]http://kotaku.com/5801353/[/url] [url]http://kotaku.com/5801345/where-youll-go-how-youll-kill-and-who-will-die-in-modern-warfare-3[/url] [quote]Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 is coming Nov. 8, 2011, Kotaku has learned, delivering with it mammoth battles that engulf a dozen cities around the world including New York, Paris and London. [img]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_gign_riot_02.jpg[/img] Multiple sources have shared details of the game's story, art, sounds and game modes with Kotaku, noting that the game will reshape the landscape of the Call of Duty franchise, bringing an impressive number of eclectic settings, deep multiplayer gaming and a story that ties up nearly all loose ends from previous titles, including the final moments of key figures in the series' history. While we haven't seen the game in action ourselves, we've gone to great lengths to nail down as much as possible the veracity of our sources. We believe that the imagery and chief details are accurate. That doesn't mean things can't change before release, but this appears to be a full run down of where Infinity Ward, Sledgehammer Games and Raven Software is on Modern Warfare 3 as they add the final polishing touches. [img]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_prague_resistance_rioter_civ_02.jpg[/img] The game opens moments after the cliffhanger ending of Modern Warfare 2 with the U.S. struggling to stave off a surprise Russian attack. The single-player campaign will ping-pong players around the world as they take on the multiple throwaway roles as a Russian Federal Protective Services agent, SAS Operative, tank gunner, and AC-130 gunner as well as key characters from previous installments and new recurring characters. The game will feature about 15 missions, kicking off with the invasion of Manhattan by a Russian force and wrapping up with a final encounter in Dubai. The plot, as described, seems to be keeping with developer Infinity Ward's habit of delivering complex, short sequences punctuated by lots of gunfire and scene changes. The game also has players take control of several vehicles, returning gamers to the AC-130 gunship as a gunner and plopping them down in a tank as part of a U.S. Armored Division. The single-player campaign, which appears to wrap up most of the unanswered questions and character fates of the first two Modern Warfare titles, also introduces new characters who appear to be destined for future Modern Warfare games, especially two Delta Force operatives codenamed "Frost" and "Sandman". Multiplayer in the game returns with a chunky list of playable maps as well as two types of Spec Ops modes: "Survival" and "Mission". [img]http://betacache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/10.160.20.191-image2.png[/img] Activision, the series' publisher, still hasn't officially unveiled any details about the game, though executives have said that a new Call of Duty game was coming this year. Last year's Call of Duty: Black Ops, developed by Treyarch, sold more than 7 million copies in the first 24 hours and within six weeks reached $1 billion in sales. We've contacted Activision for comment and will update the story when and if they provide reaction.[/quote] [quote] We've been gentle so far in our revealing of what we know about Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3. We've tip-toed through the minefield of spoilers, and tried to reveal only facts anyone would want to know. That ends here. What follows is a detailed summary of what we understand are the events of Modern Warfare 3 described to us by those in possession of dozens of images from the game, as well as voice over recordings. While we haven't seen the game in action ourselves, we believe that the imagery and this plot description is accurate. That doesn't mean things can't change before release. Levels could be altered or completely cut before the game gets into your hands. [img]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_sandman_face_detail_01.jpg[/img] While we're still keeping some major, pivotal moments close to our chest—let's just say we know some things we wish we didn't know—we're about to lay the whole story out for you from beginning to end. Don't read on if you want to experience the narrative of Activision's bombshell shooter free from spoilers. There are spoilers here. You've been warned. [b]SPOILERS START HERE[/b] [sp]Modern Warfare 3 opens as Modern Warfare 2 closed: The United States under siege by Russian forces, ultranationalist Vladimir Makarov on the loose, Captain John "Soap" MacTavish and Captain John Price wounded and on the run with the Russian informant known as Nikolai. Fleeing to a safehouse in Dharmasala, India, the three are attacked by Makarov's men. In this firefight players take on the role of Yuri, a loyalist who works for Nikolai. Their safehouse compromised, the group flee the area in a helicopter. The game then cuts to Manhattan where Russia is launching an attack on the city from a fleet of ships parked in the Hudson River. (It appears the famous U.S.S. Intrepid may be destroyed.) The U.S. calls in Delta Force to repel the attack. You take on the role of Frost, a Delta Force operative under the command of Sandman. Your goal is to take out a jamming tower on top of the New York Stock Exchange to open the area for a U.S. counterattack. Following the mission, Delta flies out of the city on a Blackhawk, gunning down enemy choppers as they make their way to the harbor where they have to infiltrate and take down a Russian sub which is coordinating the attack. The Campaign Settings of MW3 Dharmasala, India New York, New York A plane transporting the president of Russia A town in Sierra Leone London, England Mogadishu, Somalia Hamburg, Germany Paris, France Prague, Czech Republic A castle in the Czech mountains Berlin, Germany The Kremlin in Moscow, Russia Dubai, United Arab Emirates Washington. D.C. As the New York missions wrap up the game jumps forward in time half a year, thrusting players into the role of a Russian agent tasked with protecting the president of Russia as he flies to sign a peace treaty with the U.S. The plane is attacked by hijackers mid-air who attempt to kidnap the president and his daughter. The daughter manages to escape. The president of Russia in hand, Makarov vows to prevent a peace treaty by getting the launch codes out of the president and launching an attack against the U.S. The game then returns us to Price, Soap and Yuri, now in Africa in a search for Makarov. They meet with a local South African arms dealer who tells them about a shipment of chemical weapons that Makarov is trying to buy. The group make their way to Sierra Leone to secure the weapons from African militia. Next, players take on the role of an SAS operative who is tasked with stopping a delivery of weapons of mass destruction at a London dockyard. A gun battle ensues, and the agents are chased through the London subway. The mission culminates with a series of unmarked trucks exploding in front of the house of Parliament, releasing a deadly chemical agent. Several other European cities and military bases are hit by similar terrorist attacks backed by Russia, and the death toll rises to the tens of thousands. The series of chemical attacks opens the door for a Russian military blitz strikes across the continent. Price discovers that the South African arms dealer who tipped them off about the chemical weapons deceived them and travels to Somalia to find the man and interrogate him. Through the arms dealer, Price discovers that Makarov's right hand man, Volk, is hiding out in Paris. The game's attention next shifts to Hamburg, Germany where players take on the role of a U.S. tank gunner fighting to push back a Russian advance backed by armored divisions. As Hamburg falls, the game shifts us back to the story of Price and his crew. Now in Paris, players control Delta Force operative Frost who, with the help of the French special forces, leads an assault on Volk's location in the underground catacombs of the city. Next, players take to the sky supporting Frost's ground movements as a gunner in an AC-130. After capturing and interrogating Volk, Frost learns that Makarov has a meeting in a Prague hotel. Players control Yuri as he and Soap slip into the Russian-controlled city and set-up an ambush for Makarov in a church bell tower. Makarov somehow catches wind of the trap and escapes. Soap, Yuri and Price then have to fight their way out of the city. Yuri leads the team to one of Makarov's headquarters in the Czech mountains and the group infiltrates the location, looking for clues. They discover that the ultranationlist has the president and is trying to get the codes out of him. Makarov has also discovered the location of the Russian president's daughter. The group move out to Berlin to try and prevent her kidnapping. Playing as Frost, gamers must find the daughter and protect her, while making their way through war-torn Berlin. The daughter, however, is captured and flown away. Frost next makes his way to the Kremlin where a task force of operatives attack and free the hostages, but Makarov manages to escape again. The game's final mission occurs in Dubai, where Yuri, Price and Sandman launch an assault on a heavily guarded hotel, eventually finding Makarov and, yes, finally killing him. It also appears that the game may also include a post-credits level that features the burning of Washington, D. C. The stage seems set for a passing of the torch: from player-controlled members of Task Force 141 to the new characters from Delta Force.[/sp] [b]SPOILERS END HERE[/b] We've contacted Activision for comment and will update the story when and if they provide reaction.[/quote] [img]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/mw3_multiplayer_splash.jpg[/img] [quote]Packed with 15 levels set in locations around the world, from Manhattan to the catacombs of Paris, Modern Warfare 3's near-future campaign looks to be an experience that will top anything seen before in a Call of Duty game. Multiplayer, too, seems to be shaping up to be an experience packed with new maps, experiences and ways to game. Sources tell Kotaku that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 will have as many as 20 multiplayer maps, though it's unclear if some will be cut before release or perhaps sold later as expansion packs. The game will also include a powerful mix of mission-based and survival Special Ops modes. While the mission-based levels will be designed like the ones made popular in Modern Warfare 2, we're told, the survival maps will have players fighting until they're overcome by increasingly difficult waves of enemies. [b]MAPS[/b] [media] [url]http://betacache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/mp_carbon_reverse__south_africa_.jpg[/url] [url]http://betacache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/mp_carbon_front__south_africa_.jpg[/url] [/media] [b]CLASSES[/b] [media] [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_sas_smg.jpg[/url] [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_sas_lmg.jpg[/url] [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_sas_demo.jpg[/url] [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_sas_assault.jpg[/url][/media] [b]VEHICLES[/b] [media] [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/blackhawk_tank.jpg[/url] [/media] [b]WEAPONS[/b] [media] MP412 Pistol [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium__mp412_pistol.jpg[/url] SCAR (Light) [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_scar_light_01.jpg[/url] MP5 [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium__mp5_new2.jpg[/url] M14 EBR [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_m14ebr.jpg[/url] Remington RSASS [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_remington_rsass.jpg[/url] Model 1887 [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium__model_1887_iw5.jpg[/url] Remington ACR [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_remington_acr.jpg[/url] Walter p99 [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_walter_p99_01.jpg[/url] AK-47 [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium__ak47_iw5.jpg[/url] Barret M82 [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_barrett_m82.jpg[/url] Striker [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium__striker_iw5.jpg M320 Grenade Launcher [url]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium__m320_grenade_launcher.jpg AA12 http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium__aa12.jpg KSG http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_ksg.jpg M4 Carbine http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium__m4_iw5.jpg G36C http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium_g36_layout.jpg FMG http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/medium__fmg.jpg [/media] While we haven't seen the game in action ourselves, we believe that the imagery is accurate. That doesn't mean things can't change before release. We've contacted Activision for comment and will update the story when and if they provide reaction. [b]Multiplayer Maps[/b] Alpha Alps Bootleg Bravo Brooklyn Carbon Coast Dome Exchange Hardhat Interchange Lambeth Meteora Mogadishu Paris Plaza 2 Radar Seatown Underground Village [b]Spec Ops Modes[/b] [u]Survival[/u] Carbon Dome Radar Seatown Village [u]Mission[/u] Civilian Rescue Flood the Market Invisible Threat Little Bro's Out of Africa No Fly Zone Wing Man[/quote] [b]RELEASE DATE[/b] [b]NOVEMBER 8, 2011[/b] From Kotaku [url]http://kotaku.com/5801226/the-modern-warfare-3-files-exclusive-first-details-on-the-biggest-game-of-2011[/url] [url]http://kotaku.com/5801353/[/url] [url]http://kotaku.com/5801345/where-youll-go-how-youll-kill-and-who-will-die-in-modern-warfare-3[/url] Please, keep the blatant CoD hate to a minimum. [b]UPDATE FROM INFINITY WARD[/b] [url]http://twitter.com/#!/fourzerotwo/status/69087556318396416[/url] [b]UPDATE ON MULTIPLAYER DETAILS[/b] Multiplayer Details have been leaked [quote]It's a fair guess that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 will follow in the footsteps of last year's Call of Duty: Black Ops, shattering sales records and bringing even more people to video games. But it's typically not the single player campaign, detailed here, that draws in those record-breaking numbers. While many, including myself, enjoy the Call of Duty campaigns, it's the multiplayer that has managed to shift the Call of Duty franchise from a video game to something more akin to a sport. People play pick-up games of Black Ops, Modern Warfare 2, even Modern Warfare, like they play games of baseball, soccer or shoot some hoops. Like it or not, consider it innovative or rehashed gameplay, the Call of Duty franchise has in many ways transcended what it is to be a video game. So here's your first, unofficial look at what we can expect from the bread and butter, the heart of Modern Warfare 3 when it hits this fall. Do keep in mind that while the details of the game's single player campaign, first reported by Kotaku via inside sources and later seemingly verified with the official release of a trailer and matching levels, are likely mostly locked in stone. What is delivered with multiplayer could easily shift. Multiplayer is often tweaked after the game hits. It also receives a number of downloadable content packs post launch. With the advent of Elite, that's even more likely. That being said, here's what our inside sources are telling us we can expect from multiplayer. The game's multiplayer will be divided into cooperative Special Ops maps and traditional multiplayer maps. There will be no zombie modes in this game, not a surprise since zombies were introduced to the Call of Duty franchise by Treyarch and have, so far, popped up only in the Treyarch-developed games. Special Ops will include both a survival, horde-like mode and a mission mode, with a total of a dozen maps and missions to choose from between the two. As we've previously reported, there are 20 maps being worked on for Modern Warfare 3's multiplayer. It is unclear how many multiplayer and Spec Ops maps and missions will come with the game and how many will be sold at a later date as add-on downloadable content. Key to the multiplayer experience is the ability for players to level up their characters and unlock perks to modify the effectiveness of their equipment, character and enemy equipment. The multiplayer matches also include killstreaks, which are special one-time rewards that are unlocked after a player kills other players a set number of times without dying. As could be expected, developers Infinity Ward and Sledgehammer Games have been working to tweak both killstreaks and perks for Modern Warfare 3. The biggest new addition to the game that we've heard of so far is the creation of Team Perks. These are perks that a team can work toward to earn. It is unclear whether this will be tied to clans or some other team system, but their inclusion could help push the game into a more team-driven title, something the premium Elite service is likely to tie into. While we don't know the total number of team perks coming to Modern Warfare 3, we have been told four of them: Stopping Power: Increased bullet damage. Blast Shield: Unclear Health Regen: Regenerate health over time. Stun Protection: Prevent stunning from flash grenades. New perks coming to Modern Warfare 3 include: Blind Eye: This makes you immune to computer-controlled and player-controlled killstreaks. The pro version makes your launchers lock on faster and gives you extra bullet damage to vehicles. Assassin: This makes you immune to UAV, thermal, and heartbeat sensors. The pro version also makes you immune to CUAV, EMP and no longer shows your name in red or the crosshair in red when you're targeted. Point Guard: Every two assists count as a kill towards your killstreak. Dead Silence: You make no noise. Recon: Gives you a special kind of radar to spot enemies, most likely. We're not sure on this one. We're not clear on how many or which previous perks will be coming to the game, but it sounds like the ones that do return will do some from Modern Warfare 2, not Black Ops. There will also be a bevy of new killstreaks to play with in multiplayer. Here's the rundown on the latest thinking: EMP Grenade: Temporarily takes out all area electronics. Littlebird: A tiny remote-controlled helicopter. Precision Airstrike: Calls in an airstrike on a targeted area. Stealth bomber: Calls in a B2 Spirit to carpet bomb along a line designated by the player. Remote Turret: A remote controlled turret. Directional UAV: A UAV that can be directed into areas to scan for enemies. Remote Mortar: Direct a mortar team using a zoomable camera view of the map to call in strikes. Airdrop Trap: A booby-trapped airdrop. Ammo Resupply: An ammo reloading airdrop. Escort Airdrop: A protected airdrop. Specialist Strike Package: This one remains a mystery to us. While it's likely that some of the killstreaks will drop out or be added in, we've been told that the team has decided to remove the controversial Tactical Nuke killstreak from the game. Other tweaks being looked at by the team include making sure things like exploding barrels not counting toward a player's killstreak tally. We've also learned, unfortunately, that this latest Call of Duty still won't support dedicated servers, instead relying on the hosted servers found in previous iterations of the game. Dedicated servers were removed from the Modern Warfare games starting with Modern Warfare 2. (Modern Warfare 3 appears to be using DemonWare for player authentication, just like with Call of Duty: Black Ops.)[/quote] [url=http://kotaku.com/5805959/]SOURCE[/url]

Just keep milking.

"volk" honestly, they couldn't have thought of a lamer villain name?

i'm not ashamed to say i'm going to buy it anyway COD is a fun game whether you admit it or not. you know it is. you're a lying faggot if you say otherwise. i'm willing to pay for the price tag knowing it's going to have the fun formula it's always had because I don't have the money or time to invest in other games that could possibly be good but also have the possibility of being fatally bad, too "wah it's mainstream so it must be bad" wrong it's mainstream because it's good and you're the one that's bad because your shitty pro-indie opinion is the stupidest thought process ever. go back to jamming the mars volta in your no-friends corner and leave casual gaming to those of us who look at all games fairly [h2]bookmarked list of liars[/h2] consists of all of the crybabies in this thread who claim not to buy the game but who will because they're liars [b]started may 14[/b] [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/76561197997135041]proch[/url] [url=http://www.xboxlc.com/profile/conkerred_357]c0nk3r[/url] [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/GMaster]masterg[/url] [h2]take the challenge! just cry about how you're not going to buy MW3 in this thread so you can be added to the list of liars! don't be shy, now![/h2] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling various times throughout the thread." - Seiteki))[/highlight]

Why so Generic?

While I find the games fun, asides from the terrible community and lack of balancing, I think I'll have to pass, or at the least wait for a while. There are a ton of games coming out in that same span like Skyrim, BF3, ME3, UC3, and others that'll take my time. And I also don't really want to support Activision due to their shady business practices. We'll see how it shapes up, but unlike old CoD games, I'll wait before I make my final decision.

Rails, Rails everywhere!

I told myself I wouldn't buy another CoD game after MW2. The game was good. Sure, the server thing sucked but it was still fun more or less. My decision came as reaction to some "wise" words of our favourite Bobby Kotick. I admit, though, this is tempting, you even get a mission in the Czech Republic.

[QUOTE=69105;29796791]i'm not ashamed to say i'm going to buy it anyway COD is a fun game whether you admit it or not. you know it is. you're a lying faggot if you say otherwise. [/QUOTE] Yeah you are a complete fucking Idiot when you have your own taste and opinion.

[QUOTE=proch;29796925]Yeah you are a complete fucking Idiot when you have your own taste and opinion.[/QUOTE] no; you're a liar. that's why every november call of duty rocks the sales floor in every store more than any other game and the sales increase with each year

It sounds interesting, but it'll just be the same old boring shit.

[QUOTE=69105;29796791]i'm not ashamed to say i'm going to buy it anyway COD is a fun game whether you admit it or not. you know it is. you're a lying faggot if you say otherwise. i'm willing to pay for the price tag knowing it's going to have the fun formula it's always had because I don't have the money or time to invest in other games that could possibly be good but also have the possibility of being fatally bad, too "wah it's mainstream so it must be bad" wrong it's mainstream because it's good and you're the one that's bad because your shitty pro-indie opinion is the stupidest thought process ever. go back to jamming the mars volta in your no-friends corner and leave casual gaming to those of us who look at all games fairly[/QUOTE] really? because i spent $80 on blackops just to realize it was complete shit [editline]13th May 2011[/editline] my brother may get it but i wont play it if it seriously has a monthly subscription

[QUOTE=proch;29796768]Just keep milking.[/QUOTE] It's Activision's flagship, it [I]exists[/I] to provide a steady flow of income. What do you expect. Anyway, still seems like a generic shooter with generic weapons and generic, eastern European enemies. It should be fun.

For a change I'd like to play the actual Bundeswehr in the Germany missions ( There seem to be plenty of them ) instead of Americans who seem to take some sort of savior of Europe role.

AH FUCK! I SWORE TO ONLY BUY A CoD AGAIN IF IT TAKES PLACE IN MODERN DAY GERMANY, AND IT DOES! ARGHHhhhh

This actually seems like it's going to be a pretty good game. Stop fucking jumping on the CoD hate bandwagon, you have no reason to hate it unless you've played it!

i am buying this

HAHA russian guy named Yuri. I sense comic incoming

[QUOTE=Scar;29797116]AH FUCK! I SWORE TO ONLY BUY A CoD AGAIN IF IT TAKES PLACE IN MODERN DAY GERMANY, AND IT DOES! ARGHHhhhh[/QUOTE] It won't be a bad game i assure you, just don't expect anything different from MW and MW2.

[QUOTE=69105;29796791]i'm not ashamed to say i'm going to buy it anyway COD is a fun game whether you admit it or not. you know it is. you're a lying faggot if you say otherwise. i'm willing to pay for the price tag knowing it's going to have the fun formula it's always had because I don't have the money or time to invest in other games that could possibly be good but also have the possibility of being fatally bad, too "wah it's mainstream so it must be bad" wrong it's mainstream because it's good and you're the one that's bad because your shitty pro-indie opinion is the stupidest thought process ever. go back to jamming the mars volta in your no-friends corner and leave casual gaming to those of us who look at all games fairly[/QUOTE] The problem isn't that it's mainstream. The issue is that it really was a fun formula back in the CoD4 and WaW days but it's just the same fucking $60 game over and over again and not only is not worth the price for that reason but after being rehashed so many times, their forumula is getting old to many people and they don't find it fun anymore.

Wait this is real??

Haha, apparently Prague is Russian-controlled in this game. Okay, now it's less tempting.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;29797173]The problem isn't that it's mainstream. The issue is that it really was a fun formula back in the CoD4 and WaW days but it's just the same fucking $60 game over and over again and not only is not worth the price for that reason but after being rehashed so many times, their forumula is getting old to many people and they don't find it fun anymore.[/QUOTE] ahaha getting old to many people -- that's why black ops made more sales than mw2 did i mean i'm not going to argue that they all feel samey but that's good in my books because the gameplay is solid and the only problem is the lack of maps that make the game less and less tempting to play until activision fork out more expansions and then the game feels new again works for me. keeps me occupied. i'd rather fork out fifteen bucks for some DLC map packs and have fun with my friends than play tactical shooters online with some obscure group of nerds who I don't feel comfortable around

Can it look any more boring= The models look both boring and outdated.

Can we all agree to call these games MW instead of COD? They share nothing with the original games. Call of duty was all about a good story, intense battles coupled with some stealth action and most importantly, World War 2. On a lighter note, i like that foldable machine gun thingy, and the playermodels are nice. It's still quite generic, though. If they want Modern Warfare, they could set it a good couple centuries from now, and add some sci-fi concepts. I find current warfare dull and boring as a videogame concept.

Looks like another $90 I'll spend...

[QUOTE=cheezey;29797084]For a change I'd like to play the actual Bundeswehr in the Germany missions ( There seem to be plenty of them ) instead of Americans who seem to take some sort of savior of Europe role.[/QUOTE] I hope we will at least see German units

[QUOTE=69105;29797242]ahaha getting old to many people -- that's why black ops made more sales than mw2 did i mean i'm not going to argue that they all feel samey but that's good in my books because the gameplay is solid and the only problem is the lack of maps that make the game less and less tempting to play until activision fork out more expansions and then the game feels new again works for me. keeps me occupied. i'd rather fork out fifteen bucks for some DLC map packs and have fun with my friends than play tactical shooters online with some obscure group of nerds who I don't feel comfortable around[/QUOTE] I'm speaking from personal experience and the fact that it got old long ago is the reason why I and a lot of my friends have stopped playing it. If there are people who are so easily amused and can't think of a better game that they can spend $60 on the same game plus $15 DLC [b]every year[/b] then good for them.

[QUOTE=ZakKa!;29797259]Can it look any more boring= The models look both boring and outdated.[/QUOTE] They look pretty detailed.

Also, modern warfare 2 looks better... That´s saying a lot.