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[b]Review[/b] (minorly spoilery)
Recommended watch only if you're sceptical, otherwise go in fresh.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jchIi-vR_js[/media]
[b]Elizabeth[/b]
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[B]Vigors[/B]
Devil's Kiss: Throw molten matter at your enemies. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdhQmtuxiic[/media]
Murder of Crows: Sends a swarm of crows to attack your enemies. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYqdGDog1BI[/media]
Bucking Bronco: Levitate enemies or objects for a while. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKmvYOPGU3k[/media]
Shock Jockey: Sends an electric shock to your target. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FDUgz_aBUw[/media]
Possesion: You posses enemies or objects such as turrets. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C22DQwvPG4[/media]
Charge: Throw yourself at your enemies. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0TYRDTayY[/media]
Undertow: Manipulate the waves, or grab an enemy with an octopus tentacle. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz-x3IA_dS8[/media]
Return to Sender: Absorb and throw bullets fired at you. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uGyS5IioYg[/media]
[B]Weapons[/B]
Sky Hook: Used as the melee weapon for the game, it deals damage when swung at enemies.
Pistol: Your standard, common old garden pistol.
Hand Cannon: An accurate magnum-like pistol.
Shotgun: A hard hitting, inaccurate, close range gun.
Machine Gun: A fast firing, automatic, medium capacity weapon.
Carbine: A semi-automatic rifle.
Sniper Rifle: A longer range weapon with a scope.
Volley Gun: Fires grenades in arc towards enemies.
RPG: Fires rockets in a direct trajectory.
Crank Gun: A massive machine gun with a spinning barrel, and a high capacity.
Burstgun: Shoots a number of bullets in a burst.
Hail Fire: Fires grenades in an arc, that can be exploded mid flight.
Repeater: An automatic firearm with a slightly less fire rate than the Machine Gun.
Heater: A blunderbuss-like weapon.
[B]Screenshots[/B]
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[B]Websites[/B]
[url]www.bioshockinfinite.com[/url]
[url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/8870/]Steam Store[/url]
Seriously, just play it.
I thought I had dibs :(
Ah well, maybe next time.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40153049]I thought I had dibs :(
Ah well, maybe next time.[/QUOTE]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/ftdKv7v.jpg[/t]
[I]"srry"[/I]
In all seriousness, you can have dibs next.
Well, while I'm complaining: [sp]What's the big deal with killing every Comstock? It all seems pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of the multiverse. Elizabeth only seems to do it because you want to, but she doesn't really make sure you know the whole story before doing it anyway.[/sp]
Best weapon combo has to be the Hand Cannon and the Volley gun. Pretty much destroys EVERYTHING. All I used all game was those two weapons once I got them.
Best powers in order are:
Murder of Crows
Shock Jockey
Bucking Bronco
Return to Sender
Possession
Undertow
Devil's Kiss
Charge
At the end of it all, all I ever did was use Shock Jockey and chain it off onto every single person, one-shotting them with my Hand Cannon and I almost never even got hit a single team in most fights. Once it got really late though, the most powerful were Bucking Bronco for keeping them in the air for so long and then chaining so that they never touched the ground again, and Murder of Crows for the INSANE balling capacity it has with the whole 'corpses become bombs' thing.
I liked the part where [sp]Soylent Green is people!!![/sp]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40153072]Well, while I'm complaining: [sp]What's the big deal with killing every Comstock? It all seems pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of the multiverse. Elizabeth only seems to do it because you want to, but she doesn't really make sure you know the whole story before doing it anyway.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Even though you have no connection to other universes, knowing that in one of them, Comstock tortured and indoctrinated that Elizabeth during a six month period was more than enough to make me want to make sure Comstock never existed. I think the reason why she was hesitant is because that would also be the end of her personality, even though she's still physically exists with Booker.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40153072]Well, while I'm complaining: [sp]What's the big deal with killing every Comstock? It all seems pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of the multiverse. Elizabeth only seems to do it because you want to, but she doesn't really make sure you know the whole story before doing it anyway.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Comstock needs to be wiped out so Columbia can't exist. If Columbia doesn't exist, Elizabeth can't be corrupted into "drowning in flame the mountains of Man."[/sp]
Reposting because last page on the thread and all that
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while we are dumping fan art
I thought charge was a really good vigor. Especially after you get the recharge shield after use upgrade.
[sp]Anybody think we should have something in the OP that gives a basic overview of the story and some of the questions regarding the ending? Not to say that discussing the ending and peoples interpretations of it is a bad thing, but at least to perhaps avoid retreading old ground too many times or having arguments that get too pointlessly heated when people start poking tears in the pseudo-science.
Not now obviously, but maybe a thread or three down the line.[/sp]
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40153107][sp]Comstock needs to be wiped out so Columbia can't exist. If Columbia doesn't exist, Elizabeth can't be corrupted into "drowning in flame the mountains of Man."[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yeah, but there's probably countless universes where someone else drowns man in other flames one or or another[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;40153170]I thought charge was a really good vigor. Especially after you get the recharge shield after use upgrade.[/QUOTE]
That sounds pretty identical to Mass Effect's vanguard charge ability. Neat.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40153178][sp]Yeah, but there's probably countless universes where someone else drowns man in other flames one or or another[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yeah but at least in those ones it won't be instigated by some asshole with a god complex and a flying city.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40153178][sp]Yeah, but there's probably countless universes where someone else drowns man in other flames one or or another[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]True, but in this case it's a scenario that can be avoided. Besides, it gives more weight to the characters we care about.[/sp]
-snip automerge gosh-
Something else just occurred to me[sp] Rosalind only went along with Robert's plan to stop Comstock because he threatened to go back to his own universe and leave her alone, but destroying all the comstocks would most likely stop any of them from ever meeting. Or does their condition make them immune to that? And speaking of their condition, did the same thing happen to other pairs? Would all the pairs that got sabotaged merge into one? And wouldn't there be pairs that are both male or both female?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;40153170]I thought charge was a really good vigor. Especially after you get the recharge shield after use upgrade.[/QUOTE]
Problem was that by the time I got it in the game it would've just landed me into a bunch of freaking mechs. Not good. That ability would've been best for the very start of the game, not the very end.
[editline]4th April 2013[/editline]
Speaking of which, my salts pool at the end of the game was so large I literally could spam my Vigors more than I could shoot my guns for fear of running out of bullets :v:
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40153178][sp]Yeah, but there's probably countless universes where someone else drowns man in other flames one or or another[/sp][/QUOTE]
Here's my BAD (Bad At D-something) theory about the Countless Universes and shit (post from the other thread):
[sp] Universes, constants and variables.
Exhibit 1: Baptism - constant (this happens BEFORE you play the game)
Outcome - variables:
Booker rejects - creates Universe A (playable character)
Booker accepts - creates Universe B (Comstock)
There is NO other possible timelines, A or B happens and that's it.
Exhibit 2: Collar choices - constant (every time you play, this will happen)
Outcome - variables:
Booker chooses cage - nothing significant happens
Booker chooses bird - nothing significant happens
There is NO other possible collar choices, it's either Cage or Bird.
Decisions affects timelines and sometimes creates new ones.
Baptism ALWAYS lead to Comstock, 6 or 7 Elizabeths appear talking to you, all of those women are there because there are possible B universes that always happen, because he accepted the baptism. Since this is a variable, the only to make sure that Comstock does not exist to change the variable to a constant, like this:
Exhibit 3: Baptism - constant (this happens BEFORE you play the game)
Outcome:
Booker rejects - continues Universe A, it's now a constant.
Booker accepts but dies during - overwrites Universe B, it's now a constant.
So after this, every time the rejects, he lives (now constant), and every time he accepts, he dies during (also constant), and the chain effect happens (no Comstock, no Columbia -> no reason to steal Uni-A Booker's daughter -> no reason to bring Uni-A Booker into the Uni-B).
This enters into a Paradox, and then obliterates each and every timeline where Booker becomes Comstock.
That's why this is a deconstruction of multiple endings and illusion of choices.
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And
[sp]
Multiverses
Uni-A - Booker rejects/Anna is sold/Booker goes to Uni-B
Uni-B - Booker accepts/Comstock exists/Anna becomes Elizabeth
Uni-C - Booker rejects/Anna is sold/Booker goes to Uni-D
Uni-D - Booker accepts/Comstock exists/Anna becomes Elizabeth
Uni-E - Booker rejects/Anna is sold/Booker goes to Uni-F
Uni-F - Booker accepts/Comstock exists/Anna becomes Elizabeth
Uni-G - Booker rejects/Anna is sold/Booker goes to Uni-H
Uni-H - Booker accepts/Comstock exists/Anna becomes Elizabeth
...
Killing Comstock leads to this instead:
Uni-A - Booker rejects/Anna is alive
Uni-B - Booker accepts and dies/Comstock doesn't exists/Columbia never happens
Uni-C - Booker rejects/Anna is alive
Uni-D - Booker accepts and dies/Comstock doesn't exists/Columbia never happens
...
The universe (or multiverse) doesn't like paradoxes, so it itself kills Uni-B, Uni-D, Uni-F, etc, leading to universes with ONE outcome, Booker rejects and stays alive, with his daughter.
[/sp]
Got that?
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40153235]Something else just occurred to me[sp] Rosalind only went along with Robert's plan to stop Comstock because he threatened to go back to his own universe and leave her alone, but destroying all the comstocks would most likely stop any of them from ever meeting. Or does their condition make them immune to that? And speaking of their condition, did the same thing happen to other pairs? Would all the pairs that got sabotaged merge into one? And wouldn't there be pairs that are both male or both female?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The Wiki sums it up kinda nicely;[/sp]
[quote] [sp]Seeing that Elizabeth would fulfill Comstock's prophecy, Robert threatened to leave Rosalind if she did not join him in sending Elizabeth back to where she came. Discovering this plan, Comstock ordered Jeremiah Fink to sabotage the machine they used to access Tears, which was believed to kill them both. Instead, they were scattered among the possibility universe, able to traverse wherever and whenever they wanted. They continued their plan in this state, and went on to find Booker DeWitt once again.[/sp] [/quote]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;40153235]Something else just occurred to me[sp] Rosalind only went along with Robert's plan to stop Comstock because he threatened to go back to his own universe and leave her alone, but destroying all the comstocks would most likely stop any of them from ever meeting. Or does their condition make them immune to that? And speaking of their condition, did the same thing happen to other pairs? Would all the pairs that got sabotaged merge into one? And wouldn't there be pairs that are both male or both female?[/sp][/QUOTE]
That's basically the ONE thing that the ending doesn't explain, hint or something, I completely expect a DLC about it.
I am really confused on how people aren't figuring out the ending when it pretty much is explained through context.
So I guess this Bioshock Ending is more likely going to End the Trilogy of it.
[QUOTE=coverop;40153306]So I guess this Bioshock Ending is more likely going to End the Trilogy of it.[/QUOTE]
Why do you assume that?
[QUOTE=Frosty701;40153311]Why do you assume that?[/QUOTE]
[sp]We went back to Rapture city and to the Lighthouse with millions of doors. Usually from what I remember when the game goes back to first game it's gonna end the series.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Frosty701;40153311]Why do you assume that?[/QUOTE]
I don't really see how else they can expand forward in terms of this game's story line since the ending was pretty encompassing. I could only expect another totally new Bioshock game in another story arc which would be unfortunately since we already got so attached to the story and characters in this game. [sp]Perhaps a game where you play in the future in the current ending's timeline? The main character could be an older Booker, grown up Anna, or even some other dude?[/sp]
[QUOTE=coverop;40153306]So I guess this Bioshock Ending is more likely going to End the Trilogy of it.[/QUOTE]
I think any game proceeding this will fail to live up to it so I hope this is the last for the sake of he series.
[editline]4th April 2013[/editline]
Guys I was looking for some fanart on tumblr and I've come across things that I honestly wish I'd never saw nor wish to understand why they'd draw such things. (especially in context to the game)
[QUOTE=SirKillsAlot;40153400]I don't really see how else they can expand forward in terms of this game's story line since the ending was pretty encompassing. I could only expect another totally new Bioshock game in another story arc which would be unfortunately since we already got so attached to the story and characters in this game. [sp]Perhaps a game where you play in the future in the current ending's timeline? The main character could be an older Booker, grown up Anna, or even some other dude?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Probably the next game will be on the 80's, I mean, TFF's 'Everybody Wants to Rule the World', the trailer Columbia, a Modern Day Icarus and the [sp]attack by Columbia in alternate-alternate-alternate universe on New York[/sp] is 1983/1984, all inside the same decade.
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