Why World of Warcraft has become stale, and gaming as a whole. - Games

World of Warcraft, a game loved and loathed by many, a true titan of PC gaming with an impressively large player base, I wonder what will eventually knock it off it's throne, however that is not what this post is about, no, here I will discuss what is happening to gaming that made me stop playing, and what could be done to rekindle the interest of many gamers and hopefully reform the gaming industry. About a month ago a couple friends picked up the game, which made me reactivate my account and begin to play with them, as we played I got completely hooked by the game, playing it every day until 4:00 AM for about 3 weeks, whereup I got a weird feeling, the game suddenly stopped being fun for me, I felt like the game didn't have an appealing factor to it, and that everything I did in the game was a soul-crushing repetive nightmare. I continued to play some more and my interest in the game effectively dissapeared, unfortunately I had no other game to play(I do, however most of them have been long forgoten due to similar reasons), so I felt uninterested in gaming, I honestly could not enjoy a game, even games I absolutely loved like Rise of Nations felt like repetitive bore-fests, and with Bf3 having no mod support I feel like it will be soon abandoned. All of these unfortunate events felt connected to one another as if every developer desired for me to stop giving a fuck about their game 2-3 months in to it, now I have had this happen to me many times, however I quickly found games that rekindled my interest in gaming as a whole, Bf2(and its fantastic mods), Garrysmod, COD1, Rise of Nations, Civ 3, Civ 4, Civ 5, unfortunately with most of these games either dead or near death I feel liek falling back on the would not be the right descicion, I even tried the massively hyped Skyrim, which bored me within the first hour, I honestly feel like gaming as a whole is dying, it feels like every game is just a copy of something prior just shittier and less interesting, as if the passion with which developers made their games is gone and it is now a mindless affair, I mean back in the day I would be overjoyed with a new game, fantastic experiences which redefined entertainment, unfortunately now that feeling is gone. Look I by no means say that these games are bad (some of them are truly excellent if a bit boring, such as Civ 5, Shogun 2, etc.) but they seem soulless and passionless, mindless affairs designed to garner our money, even the mighty DICE seem to have fallen into this sad practice, sort of like making their games with as short a lifespan as possible, (which was the opposite for every game in the Battlefield series till bad company came around), and now the saddest part of it all is how developers seem to be abandoning PC gaming for good, something more or less confirmed by the lack of mod support in most recent titles. All I'd like is to have games which garner your interest, whose lifespans can be extended by mods, where communities can thrive around them, not make them cookie cutter experiences where you get a cheap thrill which prepares you to move to their next installment. If only developers regained that interest in making the best game possible not in making the next cash cow, indifferent to quality, just sheer sales, it is a practice that, in my opinion, has seeped into the gaming community from Hollywood. Games have all the right in the world to make shameful amounts of cash, I just feel like developers are trying to put as little polish, passion and love into their titles as they make Call of Duty 20, or shooter 67854. I know I've rambled, I know I've gone on pointless tangents, but I do wish to make a point and it is the following, gaming as a whole is moving from its origin of lovingly created experiences made to push the envelope regardless of revenue, made to capture and thrill audiences, made to make us proud to be gamers. There is still hope though, and it is YOU, yes YOU, you have the power, if you will it, it might become true, the gaming community might still have a fighting chance to make developers think about how they are doing things, and I hope that enough of you read this to try to vocalise your opinion on this subject to developers to perhaps, and only perhaps, make them change the route they are taking and maybe they can begin to do things as they once did, but it is only hope. I am done ranting, and I hope you liked this little piece of writing, hopefully you'll agree, or better yet disagree enough to post your opinion below. Colombia P.S. I hope they never make Call of Duty 20, they'd better move on to a new franchise soon.

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Garry's Mod isn't near death. It's not even close. It's getting a massive update soon, I believe. I can see where you're coming from though. Most developers want to spend their time and money trying to appeal to a wide audience instead of a smaller niche of the modder community.

Run-on sentences aside, I agree with your point to a degree. However, there is still a decent amount of creativity, and what you may consider boring, others consider exciting and interesting.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;33871174]Run-on sentences aside, I agree with your point to a degree. However, there is still a decent amount of creativity, and what you may consider boring, others consider exciting and interesting.[/QUOTE] You do have a point but, this is merely an opinion on the status of the gaming industry. [QUOTE=A big fat ass;33871170]Garry's Mod isn't near death.[/QUOTE] You are right, but I believe I never stated that it was.

I think half of this is a result of your attention span. While some games are obviously just remakes, others are very unique. I also suggest you try indie games. They seem to be more original. [editline]23rd December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Colombia;33871202]You do have a point but, this is merely an opinion on the status of the gaming industry.[/QUOTE] so is what he said.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33871228]I think half of this is a result of your attention span. While some games are obviously just remakes, others are very unique. I also suggest you try indie games. They seem to be more original.[/QUOTE] I doubt my attention span has anything to do with this, besides that beign an ad hominem, you do have a point but I've only liked a couple indie games and I am eagerly awaiting several that were announced, which I hope will not dissapoint me. Oh and while I do agree that indie games have more original ideas, not every idea is a good idea, nor are they all well executed.

World of Warcraft was always stale /statler and waldorf

"I got bored of a game over a period of time like any normal human being so therefore gaming is dead"

[QUOTE=zerotwelve;33871648]"I got bored of a game over a period of time like any normal human being so therefore gaming is dead"[/QUOTE] More like, for WoW at least, "I went on a several-week-long caffeine-supported gaming binge and suddenly grew tired of it. I bet it's because gaming is dead."

[quote]playing it every day until 4:00 AM for about 3 weeks[/quote] Well this is your problem. You will get tired of a game fast if you overplay it. Hell, I do it as well. I play WoW with dedication for a week, then get bored and play Skyrim dedicated for a week, then change back to WoW. Try taking a break from games for a while, then going back to the games you thought were boring, and play them for like an hour or two, then play again tomorrow. If you play in moderation you will get a much longer lifespan from your games.

[QUOTE=zerotwelve;33871648]"I got bored of a game over a period of time like any normal human being so therefore gaming is dead"[/QUOTE] Well yes i did get bored, however I am simply stating that games don't quite feel like they used to, I also did not state that gaming was dead, I said it was moving in a direction I feel is bad.

[QUOTE=Colombia;33871804]Well yes i did get bored, however I am simply stating that games don't quite feel like they used to, I also did not state that gaming was dead, I said it was moving in a direction I feel is bad.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you're just getting old. I'm being completely serious.

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;33871876]Sounds like you're just getting old. I'm being completely serious.[/QUOTE] Getting too old for gaming at before even hitting my 20s, huh, interesting.

[QUOTE=Colombia;33871893]Getting too old for gaming at before even hitting my 20s, huh, interesting.[/QUOTE] Is called maturity. Eventually you will have to settle for the fact that gaming isn't as good as you remember (whether from nostalgia, because no games you like are being released, and/or because gaming is becoming more commercialized/mainstream) and that you won't have very much time at all compared to before to be a gamer.

[QUOTE=Colombia;33871893]Getting too old for gaming at before even hitting my 20s, huh, interesting.[/QUOTE] I'm bored of gaming now and I'm only 17. I came here when I loved gmod, made videos with djy, and played tf2 daily. Now my reason for being here is the community forums, lmao, and the fact that I can stay up to date with friends.

for me the solution was to go more "hardcore" into games like ArmA, MoW, Theatre of War, etc, from games like BF2, CoH, and WiC the more hardcore, usually, the more mod support there is.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;33871989]for me the solution was to go more "hardcore" into games like ArmA, MoW, Theatre of War, etc, from games like BF2, CoH, and WiC the more hardcore, usually, the more mod support there is.[/QUOTE] Have played both Arma and MoW, heck even the First Operation Flashpoint back in the day.

Doesn't it make sense to go for the much bigger audience than the smaller? There are still people who go for the smaller niche's, but it just isn't the most practical choice for giant corporations, generally.

[QUOTE=Colombia;33871143] P.S. I hope they never make Call of Duty 20, they'd better move on to a new franchise soon.[/QUOTE] I hope so too. Same goes with WoW, they need to just do something new. This kung fu panda shit is dumb.

[QUOTE=Bullet100;33872236]I hope so too. Same goes with WoW, they need to just do something new. [B]This kung fu panda shit is dumb[/B].[/QUOTE] Pandarens have been there since Warcraft 3. [IMG]http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/albums/war3_animated/0_brewmaster2.gif[/IMG] Rate me dumb for stating a fact and giving proof. Okay then.

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;33872312]Pandarens have been there since Warcraft 3. [IMG]http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/albums/war3_animated/0_brewmaster2.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] "[I]Naaaaaame your poison.[/I]" I loved him in FT.

[QUOTE=Colombia;33871264]I doubt my attention span has anything to do with this, besides that beign an ad hominem, you do have a point but I've only liked a couple indie games and I am eagerly awaiting several that were announced, which I hope will not dissapoint me. Oh and while I do agree that indie games have more original ideas, not every idea is a good idea, nor are they all well executed.[/QUOTE] sorry, let me elaborate. By attention span I meant you get bored of games over time, as is usual.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33872433]sorry, let me elaborate. By attention span I meant you get bored of games over time, as is usual.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, I agree.

It's called "burning out". You played something for a crazy amount of time, now you're sick of it and everything that reminds you of it. You'll be back for more in a couple of months, probably.

[QUOTE=Clementine;33872195]Doesn't it make sense to go for the much bigger audience than the smaller? There are still people who go for the smaller niche's, but it just isn't the most practical choice for giant corporations, generally.[/QUOTE] Exactly, most people on facepunch seem to have this weird notion that games companies aren't a company and don't need to draw a profit, it's like when people say Valve is like the best company ever because they totally listen to community and they only have our best interests at heart.

To be honest, WoW does suck a lot of energy out of you when you finish playing with it, I've stopped for a while now, and just recently only found out what to do with that spare time. I think you can become quickly bored because you get all this free time back where you used to be raiding or PvPing etc. I started playing LoL and having a blast, in between I'll play any of the major titles or any games that catch my eye. So no, gaming isn't dead, it's more you've acquired so much free time that you feel like there is nothing to play. Also, you seem to like RTS games, you should try SC2, it's got a huge scene and a lot of mod support.

Funny that there are so many "HOLY SHIT THE GAME INDUSTYR IZ DED!" threads in the past few months. The thing is, publishers mostly care about the $ so they'd rather exploit the heck out of a well proven concept instead of trying something new and thus risking losses, like the extreme rise in the FPS genre. Another factor are the players that bitch and moan about how much a sequel sucks because it's different from the first. Best example is the CoD series, since MW1 the developers didn't really innovate and that's not just because Activision wants more money but also because the [b]fans want the sequel to be exactly the same![/b] Another good example is the C&C series, the lack of innovation was a constant point of criticism (like CoD except the repetitiveness isn't critisised there because reviewers lost their mind and/or their balls) but once EA tried something new with C&C4, it was bashed for being different. WoW is a pretty time-consuming game so it could be just burnout

[QUOTE=zerotwelve;33871648]"I got bored of a game over a period of time like any normal human being so therefore gaming is dead"[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/vq1qia.jpg[/IMG] Gaming is dead, DEAD :'(

The problem is that the big gaming companies are trying their luck more and more on people, and when they spot a potential business space they will snatch the opportunity. Most recent case has been the COD vs BF3 campaign EA conjured up, where they saw that people started critescizing COD more and they came along and said they would make the better game. This led to a very buggy early release in a vain attempt to beat COD. And EA then takes advantage of its newfound fanatical fanbase by churning out a £12 map pack influenced by previous maps in the series. One of the reasons I love Bohemia is that they aren't brought down by low business opportunities, when they made DLC for Arma 2 OA they gave every player of OA a lite version so that they could play with people who had the DLC. They gave people the tools to make some truly amazing mods that have increased the lifespan of the game greatly. How many game developers are that generous?