[QUOTE]t’s not clear what the limit on Salon’s CPU usage is and Salon did not respond to questions.
“Recently, with the increasing popularity of ad-blocking technology, there is even more of a disintegration of this already-tenuous relationship; like most media sites, ad-blockers cut deeply into our revenue and create a more one-sided relationship between reader and publisher,” Salon’s website explained.
Salon says about 25 percent of its audience blocks ads.
When a person visits Salon with an ad blocker, a pop up appears asking the person to either remove the ad blocker or allow cryptocurrency mining to occur. A third paid app option is listed as coming soon. If you click “learn more” to find out about the cryptocurrency mining, your computer immediately begins working for Salon before anyone can knowledgeably opt-in.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][IMG]https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cyberscoop-media/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/13113152/Salon-in-depth-news-politics-business-technology-culture-11-1024x961.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Salon’s FAQ page addresses questions like “Why are my fans turning on?” and “How does Salon make money by using my processing power?”
To end the explanation, Salon makes a pitch that the “possibilities for [cryptocurrency] are limitless” including secure online voting, predicting the impact of climate change and finding alien life.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.cyberscoop.com/salon-monero-coinhive-ad-blocker/"]https://www.cyberscoop.com/salon-monero-coinhive-ad-blocker/[/URL]
Well at least they kind of ask you for permission
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[QUOTE=Wormy;53130826]Finding alien life with crypto currencies? Sign me up.[/QUOTE]
I guess you do need money to find alien life
That explanation is like cult bullshit.
That is rather petty of them to use their customers' computers to mine cyptocurrency.
How long until someone starts suing?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;53130827]I guess you do need money to find alien life[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wormy;53130826]Finding alien life with crypto currencies? Sign me up.[/QUOTE]
No one, including The Salon, is saying that they're going to use Monero for these purposes. They're just stating that you [i]could[/i]. In other words, it's just bullshit marketing speech to cover their asses.
What they're doing is criminal.
are they using coinhive? haven't most adblockers and AVs blocked that now?
[editline]now[/editline]
also is it time to pull out the ol' 867MHz PowerPC G4 yet
What the fuck is Salon?
-merge-
[QUOTE=Zay333;53130836]What they're doing is criminal.[/QUOTE]
How?
What i like about bitcoin mining is that it's very power hungry work.
I don't think the common household computer from 12+ years ago will be able to keep up with it.
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;53130859]What i like about bitcoin mining is that it's very power hungry work.
I don't think the common household computer from 12+ years ago will be able to keep up with it.[/QUOTE]
What I like about bitcoin mining is that people will buy hardware that consumes more money in energy than they can mine in a month and they still expect to turn over profits some how.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;53130844]What the fuck is Salon?[/QUOTE]
trash
[QUOTE=Nerokhan;53130833]That is rather petty of them to use their customers' computers to mine cyptocurrency.
How long until someone starts suing?[/QUOTE]
It's opt in, by opting in you're giving consent. No law suits here.
IMO this is how advertising should be done, by consent.
[QUOTE=Zay333;53130836]
What they're doing is criminal.[/QUOTE]
Um, they ask you for permission?
[QUOTE=Fourier;53130971]Um, they ask you for permission?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] If you click “learn more” to find out about the cryptocurrency mining, your computer immediately begins working for Salon before anyone can knowledgeably opt-in.[/QUOTE]
it's in the OP
Any site that wants to mine on MY computer is going to be met with a permanent adblock list. What happened to non intrusive static ads?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;53130827]Well at least they kind of ask you for permission[/QUOTE]
Except they don't if you read the OP :v:
They literally just start mining if you click 'learn more' before you even opt-in
[QUOTE]If you click “learn more” to find out about the cryptocurrency mining, your computer immediately begins working for Salon before anyone can knowledgeably opt-in.[/QUOTE]
Lawsuit in 3.. 2.. 1
[QUOTE=Zay333;53130836]No one, including The Salon, is saying that they're going to use Monero for these purposes. They're just stating that you [i]could[/i]. In other words, it's just bullshit marketing speech to cover their asses.
What they're doing is criminal.[/QUOTE]
Not really criminal, just sheisty as all hell. Will definitely steer clear of their site until further notice, and probably not ever again even then.
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[QUOTE=Sombrero;53130990]Any site that wants to mine on MY computer is going to be met with a permanent adblock list. What happened to non intrusive static ads?[/QUOTE]
They weren't intrusive, loud, or ambulatory enough, it would seem.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;53131002]Except they don't if you read the OP :v:
They literally just start mining if you click 'learn more' before you even opt-in[/QUOTE]
The best way to learn is to experience something first-hand v:v:v
[QUOTE=Adarrek;53130844]What the fuck is Salon?[/QUOTE]
Left-wing news source that mostly specializes in politics. Their articles feel more like blogs to me than publications.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53131181]Left-wing news source that mostly specializes in politics. Their articles feel more like blogs to me than publications.[/QUOTE]
You must be using the term "news" loosely there.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53131207]You must be using the term "news" loosely there.[/QUOTE]
As I said in literally the next sentence, it feels more like a blog than a publication.
CPU mining (especially with JavaScript) is [I]extremely[/I] inefficient, though. It eats up electricity and costs more than the money in generates. The end user will still have to pay more (through their electricity bill) than just buying a subscription.
So, if you're not buying a subscription, you'll be paying a huge markup via electricity, and they won't get that much money. It's a loose-loose for everyone involved.
I've added salon.com to my pihole's block list. Nothing on my network can access it now.
[QUOTE=LegoGuy;53131728]CPU mining (especially with JavaScript) is [I]extremely[/I] inefficient, though. It eats up electricity and costs more than the money in generates. The end user will still have to pay more (through their electricity bill) than just buying a subscription.
So, if you're not buying a subscription, you'll be paying a huge markup via electricity, and they won't get that much money. It's a loose-loose for everyone involved.[/QUOTE]
Considering how many people this will be affecting, they could make some bank off of this. Consider how badly online ads pay per click. Mining might be slightly more profitable per visitor than ads, and a LOT of people will be having their machines mined on.
crypto bullshit is increasingly causing nothing but problems for people who don't participate in it
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;53131759]I've added salon.com to my pihole's block list. Nothing on my network can access it now.[/QUOTE]
Looked up pihole, seems interesting for devices that can't adblock.
I do have generally bad experiences using stuff like hosts blockers, though. Most adblock lists cause problems like YouTube history not working, does it happen with lists provided with pihole?
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53131816]Considering how many people this will be affecting, they could make some bank off of this. Consider how badly online ads pay per click. Mining might be slightly more profitable per visitor than ads, and a LOT of people will be having their machines mined on.[/QUOTE]
Alright, so, a friend of mine has a [URL="https://drakeluce.com/cryptocurrency/mine.html"]JavaScript miner on his personal website[/URL] (purely optional, you have to start it up yourself) Using chrome (cuz it won't load in FireFox for some reason) It's reporting a hash rate of 80 per second (I have an i7 5820k) according to HWMonitor, while it's up, it consumes 85w up from 22w, so let's be generous and assume that 60w is being used for mining. According to [URL="http://whattomine.com/coins/101-xmr-cryptonight?utf8=✓&hr=80&p=65&fee=0.0&cost=0.1&hcost=0.0&commit=Calculate"]this[/URL] (at current prices and difficulty) I'm gonna make them $2.27 [I]per month[/I] while I'm spending [I]4.32[/I] per month on electricity. (Edit: This assumes I'm running 24/7)
By comparison here's [URL="https://www.hochmanconsultants.com/cost-of-ppc-advertising/"]cost per click.[/URL]
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So, I'm gonna be spending more in electricity than they'd be making in revenue from CPU mining. It's moronic.
Getting sick of sites being able to detect adblockers now. They need to improve adblockers to fuck these people over.
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