FBI 'warned MI5 in January that Salman Abedi was planning terror attack in UK' - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fbi-warned-mi5-january-manchester-attack-bomber-salman-abedi-manchester-arena-a7760756.html[/url] [QUOTE]British intelligence agency MI5 was reportedly warned by its US counterpart that Salman Abedi was planning an attack on UK soil, three months before he blew himself up outside an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester. FBI agents are said to have informed British officials that the 22-year-old was part of a North African Islamic State cell based in the north west of England that was plotting an attack in the UK. Abedi was reportedly placed on a US terrorist watch list in 2016 after he came to the attention of intelligence agencies during an investigation into terrorist groups operating in Libya. [/QUOTE]

So what's the point of all this big brother shit?

[QUOTE=CrowdControl;52286562]So what's the point of all this big brother shit?[/QUOTE] To protect the people form suspicious activity and potential terrorism. Of course that assumes the people in charge aren't so stupid they can't see a problem even if they are told about it on the other side of the planet.

[QUOTE=pentium;52286616]To protect the people form suspicious activity and potential terrorism. Of course that assumes the people in charge aren't so stupid they can't see a problem even if they are told about it on the other side of the planet.[/QUOTE] Rather, I wonder how many attacks are prevented by this surveillance that the public never even hears about, and just how many warnings have to be delivered for an attack like this to slip through.

It seems we get that kind of news everytime there is an attack.

He was also reported to the authorities 5 times before this [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/security-services-warned-about-salman-abedi-five-times-2017-5[/url]

This sorta reminds me of those police that were scared to make arrests because they thought they would be called racists. However, I'm sure there's a better reason for this.

[QUOTE=Sims_doc;52286738]This sorta reminds me of those police that were scared to make arrests because they thought they would be called racists. However, I'm sure there's a better reason for this.[/QUOTE] I [I]hate[/I] the idea that a police officer could have a valid reason to arrest a terrorist before they hurt anyone, but they don't because "not all Muslims are terrorists you Islamaphobic bigot!!!!" like really lol

[QUOTE=Quark:;52286787]I [I]hate[/I] the idea that a police officer could have a valid reason to arrest a terrorist before they hurt anyone, but they don't because "not all Muslims are terrorists you Islamaphobic bigot!!!!" like really lol[/QUOTE] this. If a genuine mistake happens when you arrest somebody, you apologize to them and you compensate them for it, and it doesn't happen all that often if the police do their jobs right. Better to err on the side of caution in these times.

What happened to better safe than sorry? If a guy is a bit too much on the extreme side and gets reported a bunch of times, there is nothing wrong with bringing the man in and figure out if there is any thing to worry about.

[QUOTE=Lazore;52287058]What happened to better safe than sorry? If a guy is a bit too much on the extreme side and gets reported a bunch of times, there is nothing wrong with bringing the man in and figure out if there is any thing to worry about.[/QUOTE] "You are arresting me just because I am Muslim, is that right?"

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52287082]Does this really happen? Or do they not arrest them since, for example. there is rule of law in the country and they didnt have any material leads except motive and planning? He was part of a cell, which gives reason for surveillance but likely not arrest. And Britain was likely surveilling him, since it was reported he was known to police.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal[/url] There was a muslim rape gang that was the council/police knew about for years, but they did nothing about it because they might be seen as "racist"

[QUOTE=Fourier;52287075]"You are arresting me just because I am Muslim, is that right?"[/QUOTE] Never said nothing about arresting anyone, you dont need to arrest a man to figure out what he is up to. There is also a difference in being just a muslim, and being reported 5 time to the police by your mosque and by investigations by other nations for extreme opinions and sympathizing for Isis

[QUOTE=Lazore;52287190]Never said nothing about arresting anyone, you dont need to arrest a man to figure out what he is up to. There is also a difference in being just a muslim, and being reported 5 time to the police by your mosque and by investigations by other nations for extreme opinions and sympathizing for Isis[/QUOTE] Ok, you get investigated for your 'opinions', and then what? If they don't find bombs at your home and other weapons, you will be clear. Then you can go to media and cry. [editline]29th May 2017[/editline] Still yes, seems like someone in police/secret service is not doing their job properly. Can't disagree with that.

If he hadn't done anything illegal, they couldn't have done anything anyway. Arresting him or deporting him only further alienates the Muslim community.

Might have something do to with a lack of resources due to the massive cuts made in our police force. Thank the Tories for that one

[QUOTE=joost1120;52287546]If he hadn't done anything illegal, they couldn't have done anything anyway. Arresting him or deporting him only further alienates the Muslim community.[/QUOTE] i am sure that there are many families in manchester who are glad that we didn't alienate the muslim community then

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52287560]i am sure that there are many families in manchester who are glad that we didn't alienate the muslim community then[/QUOTE] Great logic, lets arrest and deport every muslim on a watch list. That definitely won't lead to more jihadists. You can't just do that. Especially not if there are around 3000 suspects at any given time. Not to mention the Manchester bombing was caused by alienating the Muslim community. That is where most of ISIS' recruitment comes from.

[QUOTE=joost1120;52287595]Great logic, lets arrest and deport every muslim on a watch list. That definitely won't lead to more jihadists. You can't just do that. Especially not if there are around 3000 suspects at any given time. Not to mention the Manchester bombing was caused by alienating the Muslim community. That is where most of ISIS' recruitment comes from.[/QUOTE] all i'm getting from you is "terrorism has nothing to do with islam so don't say bad things about muslims or they'll become terrorists" "manchester bombing was caused by alienating the muslim community" - what a fucking joke seriously, deporting these dickheads, or at the very least the ones who are obviously sympathetic to ISIS, would seriously hinder ISIS's ability to consistently pull off terrorist attacks. how can people think otherwise? how can otherwise sensible people think that evil bigoted whites being impolite to muslims is the cause of ISIS blowing shit up constantly? how do you explain that middle eastern countries, where there isn't going to be much "islamophobia" suffer the most islamic terror attacks? why do genuinely "islamophobic" countries like poland and japan suffer none at all?

Sick of people literally fucking excusing terrorists or acting on terrorists just because it might be 'islamophobic' or might upset or alienate muslims. Fuck off. If dealing with terrorists is supposedly enough to make others join their cause, then maybe the evil white people aren't the underlying problem.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52287621]all i'm getting from you is "terrorism has nothing to do with islam so don't say bad things about muslims or they'll become terrorists" "manchester bombing was caused by alienating the muslim community" - what a fucking joke seriously, deporting these dickheads, or at the very least the ones who are obviously sympathetic to ISIS, would seriously hinder ISIS's ability to consistently pull off terrorist attacks. how can people think otherwise? how can otherwise sensible people think that evil bigoted whites being impolite to muslims is the cause of ISIS blowing shit up constantly? how do you explain that middle eastern countries, where there isn't going to be much "islamophobia" suffer the most islamic terror attacks? why do genuinely "islamophobic" countries like poland and japan suffer none at all?[/QUOTE] That's not what I'm trying to say at all. I'm saying ISIS primarily recruits from alienated Muslims from the west. Deporting Muslims on the terrorist watch list only confirms their feelings. Most terrorist attacks in Europe were done by terrorists that were already deported several times. Deporting 3000 of those watchlist Muslims is like sending 3000 jihadists straight to ISIS.

[QUOTE=archangel125;52286696]Rather, I wonder how many attacks are prevented by this surveillance that the public never even hears about, and just how many warnings have to be delivered for an attack like this to slip through.[/QUOTE] Oh, well then that falls under the "not allowed to disclose under the sensitive nature of the investigation." category.

[QUOTE=joost1120;52287632]Deporting Muslims on the terrorist watch list only confirms their feelings. Most terrorist attacks in Europe were done by terrorists that were already deported several times.[/QUOTE] then don't let them back in for fucks sake

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52287644]then don't let them back in for fucks sake[/QUOTE] And how would you do that? Spend even more on guarding borders? It's not like customs just ignores the checkmark "terrorist" on their ID's. [editline]29th May 2017[/editline] Ah I know it, lets build a wall instead [editline]29th May 2017[/editline] Turn people into terrorists and then just send them off to other countries. Great idea. [editline]29th May 2017[/editline] I understand wanting to prevent terrorist attacks, I completely agree with that. But how would you realistically do that?

[QUOTE=joost1120;52287650]And how would you do that? Spend even more on guarding borders? It's not like customs just ignores the checkmark "terrorist" on their ID's. [editline]29th May 2017[/editline] Ah I know it, lets build a wall instead [editline]29th May 2017[/editline] Turn people into terrorists and then just send them off to other countries. Great idea.[/QUOTE] we're an island. we have this fancy electronic passport thing. surely you can blacklist people who have been deported for terrorism? it's not as hard as you're making it out to be [quote]I understand wanting to prevent terrorist attacks, I completely agree with that. But how would you realistically do that?[/quote] deport the dickheads with obvious ISIS sympathies, stop bringing in populations that are prone to terrorism (for instance Libya, which is in the midst of a civil war)

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52287659]we're an island. we have this fancy electronic passport thing. surely you can blacklist people who have been deported for terrorism? it's not as hard as you're making it out to be[/QUOTE] Well clearly that's not working if people that shouldn't get in, can still get in. [editline]29th May 2017[/editline] But in the end you're still deporting someone and essentially making him hate the west. Even if he can't get into the UK, he can still get to any other European country.

[QUOTE=joost1120;52287665]Well clearly that's not working if people that shouldn't get in, can still get in. But in the end you're still deporting someone and essentially making him hate the west. Even if he can't get into the UK, he can still get to any other European country.[/QUOTE] but they already hated the west! this is extremely obvious if they have ISIS sympathies and are on a fucking terror watchlist

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52287621]all i'm getting from you is "terrorism has nothing to do with islam so don't say bad things about muslims or they'll become terrorists" "manchester bombing was caused by alienating the muslim community" - what a fucking joke seriously, deporting these dickheads, or at the very least the ones who are obviously sympathetic to ISIS, would seriously hinder ISIS's ability to consistently pull off terrorist attacks. how can people think otherwise? how can otherwise sensible people think that evil bigoted whites being impolite to muslims is the cause of ISIS blowing shit up constantly? how do you explain that middle eastern countries, where there isn't going to be much "islamophobia" suffer the most islamic terror attacks? why do genuinely "islamophobic" countries like poland and japan suffer none at all?[/QUOTE] Because the thing that breeds terrorists isn't Islamophobia directly, but Islamophobia helps feed the actual cause. Which is that many people in the Middle East feel like they, their country and/or their very culture is under attack by western society. A feeling that is probably not improved by bombing their cities in the Middle East or by many people in the West being openly hateful towards Islam and/or Muslims. Actually a pretty remarkable similarity between this outlook and the outlook of people who want to deport Muslims because they feel like their country and culture is under attack by immigration, now that I think about it.

I feel like the very instance that somebody is verified to be part of a terrorist cell they should IMMEDIATELY be arrested and jailed. There should be no fucking quarter for this type of behavior, no wonder there's people blowing shit up all over the place. Policy everywhere is literally standing there, watching, letting it happen.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52287685]I feel like the very instance that somebody is verified to be part of a terrorist cell they should IMMEDIATELY be arrested and jailed. There should be no fucking quarter for this type of behavior, no wonder there's people blowing shit up all over the place. Policy everywhere is literally standing there, watching, letting it happen.[/QUOTE] But how do you actually verify whether someone's a terrorist? Even if they decided to search everyone on the watchlist's house, 3 per day, it would still take 3 years to search them all. And that's just for the ones currently on the watchlist, not counting future ones.