Sex to boost film career is 'not rape': Weinstein lawyer

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[QUOTE]LONDON (AFP) - Harvey Weinstein's lawyer said on Saturday (March 3) a woman having sex with a Hollywood producer to advance her career is "not rape", in a British newspaper interview on the eve of the Oscars.

Ben Brafman is one of the US' top criminal defence attorneys, hired by the disgraced Hollywood mogul whose career is in tatters following accusations of sexual harassment, assault and rape.

More than 100 women have accused Weinstein of impropriety going back 40 years, but Brafman argued there was no criminal behaviour.
"If a woman decides that she needs to have sex with a Hollywood producer to advance her career and actually does it and finds the whole thing offensive, that's not rape," he told The Times.

"You made a conscious decision that you're willing to do something that is personally offensive in order to advance your career," he added.

Weinstein, a twice-married father of five, is being investigated by British and US police, but has not been charged with any crime. He denies having non-consensual sex and is reportedly in treatment for sex addiction.

Dozens of Hollywood women, including Ashley Judd, Gwyneth Paltrow, Kate Beckinsale and Salma Hayek, are among Weinstein's accusers.
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Really that's the defence he gonna give

[XUZUL]

Technically, it may not be rape

But coercing someone into having sex is just as bad you twat

[noruzenchi]

With the definition of rape as non-consensual sex, you're gonna have a tough time backing some fresh shit as that.

[Miya]

its literally rape via power dynamics

have sex with me or potentially be blacklisted and lose your career

[MR-X]

I guess he does not understand what quid pro quo is. Nor does he understand that being in a position of power over someone and getting them to have sex with him that is unethical.

It is one of these crazy ideas that in most jobs or careers people understand the implication of things.

Obviously as a manager and having a team of employees I would not have any type of sexual relationship with them, as it could be viewed as unethical or get myself in trouble.

As a cop, you wouldn't have sex with someone you arrested even if they offered because of the ethical implications. Due to the authority you have over them.

[Dumpus]

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;53177398]Technically, it may not be rape

But coercing someone into having sex is just as bad you twat[/QUOTE]

I'm actually not sure if this could be defined as rape or not, but I do think it's important to make a distinction between what Harvey Weinstein did and physically forced sex.

The punishments should be extremely similar if not the same, but I believe a distinction should be made regardless.

[jonoPorter]

So if a woman uses her hole to advance her career it's rape?

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[Ganerumo]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177426]So if a woman uses her hole to advance her career it's rape?[/QUOTE]

If a woman is coerced by someone to have sex with them and that coercion is further strengthened by status and threat of long term consequence, it's very much rape.

There's a pretty sizable difference between someone deciding to fuck people to advance their career and someone being forced into a position where they [I]have[/I] to fuck someone to advance their career or risk losing everything.

[JennyC6]

Well, he ain't lying. It's not [I]technically[/I] rape if she says yes because she knows itt'l further her career.

But it's just as wrong, it's still sexual assault, and it should still carry with it all the penalties thereof.

[XUZUL]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177426]So if a woman uses her hole to advance her career it's rape?[/QUOTE]

Depends if the woman came up with it or not

[God of Ashes]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177426]So if a woman uses her hole to advance her career it's rape?[/QUOTE]

can you make that a little more demeaning

[jonoPorter]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53177430]If a woman is coerced by someone to have sex with them and that coercion is further strengthened by status and threat of long term consequence, it's very much rape.[/QUOTE]

So a woman can get to the top by literally just being a woman and then after just claim "she was coerced into it" to save face?

[Swiket]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177426]So if a woman uses her hole to advance her career it's rape?[/QUOTE]

Can you please rephrase this to sound more like a sociopath?

[Ganerumo]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177441]So a woman can get to the top by literally just being a woman and then after just claim "she was coerced into it" to save face?[/QUOTE]

What are you even trying to accomplish here ?

[jonoPorter]

I am not denying it that some might really have been forced into it, but I hope you understand how this can be abused.

[Ganerumo]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177449]I am not denying it that some might really have been forced into it, but I hope you understand how this can be abused.[/QUOTE]

I'd really like you to clarify that part here

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177441]So a woman can get to the top [B]by literally just being a woman[/B][/QUOTE]

Because from where I'm standing it sounds like you're saying the essence of being a woman is being a slut who fucks left and right or something.

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177441]So a woman can get to the top by literally just being a woman[/QUOTE]

are you really saying sex for career opportunities is just like, a regular part of being a woman?

[srobins]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177441]So a woman can get to the top by literally just being a woman and then after just claim "she was coerced into it" to save face?[/QUOTE]

Really bad phrasing and attitude aside, jonoPorter does sort of have a point here. What Weinstein did was unethical and sleazy but [I]in a general sense[/I], the whole "sex to advance career" thing does exist and isn't necessarily rape, is it? Is it not conceivable that some people see it as an opportunity to exchange sex for skipping some stones in their career path? I guess that train of thought basically concludes in whether or not the exchange resulted in a "boost" to a career vs. being coerced into it in order to avoid a "penalty" in their career, which is pretty hard to differentiate between; is there even really a difference between "if you suck my dick you can be Wonder Woman!" and "if you [I]don't[/I] suck my dick, you [I]can't[/I] be Wonder Woman"? Probably not. Either way, I feel like it's overall more beneficial to just err on the side of "this was abusive" seeing as 99.9999% of the time, it is.

[srobins]

[QUOTE=RichyZ;53177479]it's not "you suck dick and you're wonder woman" or "you dont suck dick and youre not wonder woman"
it's "you suck dick and you're wonder woman" or "you dont suck dick and you literally cannot be in any major production because i will blacklist you"[/QUOTE]

True, that's about what I was trying to get at, basically how can you possibly differentiate between a "bonus" and a penalty, when the lack of a bonus already implies some sort of penalty for people not willing to go along with your sex bullshit; they are implicitly the same (although like you said, in a lot of cases the "penalty" is way more obvious and far reaching like being blacklisted).

[Ganerumo]

[QUOTE=srobins;53177487]True, that's about what I was trying to get at, basically how can you possibly differentiate between a "bonus" and a penalty, when the lack of a bonus already implies some sort of penalty for people not willing to go along with your sex bullshit; they are implicitly the same (although like you said, in a lot of cases the "penalty" is way more obvious and far reaching like being blacklisted).[/QUOTE]

You're trying to fabricate nuance where there is none.

Someone who [I]has[/I] to have sex in order to advance their career is not in a position where their consent is worth much. That's pretty much the end of that. It doesn't matter if the consequences for not fucking is stagnation or outright career death.

[Rocâ„¢]

'tis blackmail then!

[srobins]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53177492]You're trying to create subtle differences when there are none.[/QUOTE]

I don't think I am, I'm probably just (ironically given my intro post here) phrasing this really poorly. It was more just that I understand the point jono was trying to make and thought it through out loud and concluded that it doesn't hold up: you can't argue it's not abusive trading sex for a "bonus" in your career because even in the best case scenario, refusing to engage there results in a penalty to your career, and like RichyZ said, most of the time it's a much more obvious "penalty" in the form of your career being actively destroyed if you don't go along with it.

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177426]So if a woman uses her hole to advance her career it's rape?[/QUOTE]

christ this post

no. if a woman coerces someone into sex where there is an implicit threat of negative consequences, and in this situation due in part to a power dynamic, yes. same as if a man does it, eg what weinstein has done. it is taking advantage of someone while in a position of power and putting the victim in an impossible and horrifying situation and it's a disgusting misuse of power. it's sexual extortion, among other things.

[Loth]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177441]So if a woman uses her hole to advance her career it's rape?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177441]So a woman can get to the top by literally just being a woman and then after just claim "she was coerced into it" to save face?[/QUOTE]

Do you even know who weinstein is and what he did?

Legit question, because the scenario you're describing has absolutely nothing to do with what he did to theses women. Like, at all. Feels like you just read what his lawyer just said and bought it up like it's what actually happened.

And EVEN IF it was the scenario you're talking about, what women do with their body is none of your fucking business and you're being asbolutely gross rn.

[Lime-alicious]

"It's technically not rape," isn't a very strong defense.

[Hail Satan]

sounds like [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUafzOXHPE]dennis[/url] logic to me

[swebonny]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177426]So if a woman uses her hole to advance her career it's rape?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jonoPorter;53177441]So a woman can get to the top by literally just being a woman and then after just claim "she was coerced into it" to save face?[/QUOTE]

Is everything alright over there?

[aznz888]

if someone willingly chooses(and is not coerced into) sex with someone who has more power in order to gain a connection and advance their career, i don't have any fault with that. plenty of men and women do it.

if someone is told "if you don't suck my dick, i'm going to rip this opportunity out from under your feet, and your career is over", then that's a combo of blackmail and rape.

[srobins]

[QUOTE=aznz888;53177574]if someone willingly chooses(and is not coerced into) sex with someone who has more power in order to gain a connection and advance their career, i don't have any fault with that. plenty of men and women do it.

if someone is told "if you don't suck my dick, i'm going to rip this opportunity out from under your feet, and your career is over", then that's a combo of blackmail and rape.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but it's pretty much coercion either way. I guess if the person in a non-power position was the one to initiate something and try to seduce the person in a position of power, that'd be a different scenario, but in any situation where the one in power is offering some kind of reward (or penalty) for the exchange, it can't [I]not[/I] be coerced.

[Quq]

[QUOTE=usaokay;53177526]This is nearly [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1520392&p=50405980&viewfull=1#post50405980]Wickedplayer494 level[/url] of victim blaming.[/QUOTE]

Threadjacking will NOT be tolerated.

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