VW announces that it is bringing its all-electric microbus to production in 2022 - Sensationalist Headlines

[t]https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/id_buzz_concept_7400.jpg[/t] [QUOTE]Volkswagen CEO Dr Herbert Diess said in Pebble Beach today: [QUOTE]After the presentations at the global motor shows in Detroit and Geneva, we received a large number of letters and emails from customers who said, ‘please build this car. The Microbus has long been part of the California lifestyle. Now we’re bringing it back by reinventing it as an electric vehicle.[/QUOTE] The CEO says that the vehicle will be available at US dealership in 2022 and a version for cargo will also follow. ... The most high-end will feature an all-wheel drive system with a total output of 369 horsepower powered by a massive 111 kWh battery pack. Surprisingly, especially after their recent range comparisons, VW also offered the estimated range based on the U.S. driving cycle, which the company claims will be 270 miles. [/QUOTE] [url]https://electrek.co/2017/08/19/vw-all-electric-microbus-production-2022/[/url]

God damn that's ugly, they should keep the old hippiebus look for it :v:

I like the idea behind it but the front end is fuckugly [t]https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/id_buzz_concept_7401.jpg?quality=82&strip=all[/t] Rear isn't great either but it's way better than the front atleast the interior looks absolute horrid aswell [t]https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/id_buzz_concept_7405.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1200&h=[/t]

if you're gonna go retro, please go full retro and not half-ass it with stuff like the lights

Yeah there's been some recent retro-revival designs that worked really well, such as the Fiat 500, the Mini Cooper and the Vespa LX series, but this one does not work. It'd be better off trying it's own thing, really. Hell, the only semblance of retro it has is the two-tone paintjob and the oversized VW logo doing a callback to the original, the rest is all suppository-pill-shaped and bland.

I'm all about the bus revival

I don't think it looks that bad.

It would probably look better if they used a different color scheme for the exterior.

They can't exactly keep the old shape because of the drag coefficient.

[QUOTE=winsanity;52592695]It would probably look better if they used a different color scheme for the exterior.[/QUOTE] That was my first reaction to the images, I don't actually mind the design all that much, but the colour isn't great

[QUOTE=PyroCF;52592704]They can't exactly keep the old shape because of the drag coefficient.[/QUOTE] Overall shape isn't necessarily related to drag coefficient if the designers know what they're doing. I.e. Dodge Ram is very aerodynamic for a truck (Cd 0.36, other trucks go up to 0.6) despite looking like, well, a truck [t]https://www.cstatic-images.com/stock/900x600/259329.jpg[/t] And my favorite example of this, Eagle Premier [t]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RCQuXbqk--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/v71h8v6uqw3vvtn6x1pu.jpg[/t] Cd 0.31, about the same as Chevrolet Bolt

[QUOTE=Drury;52592762]Overall shape isn't necessarily related to drag coefficient if the designers know what they're doing. I.e. Dodge Ram is very aerodynamic for a truck (Cd 0.36, other trucks go up to 0.6) despite looking like, well, a truck [t]https://www.cstatic-images.com/stock/900x600/259329.jpg[/t] And my favorite example of this, Eagle Premier [t]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RCQuXbqk--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/v71h8v6uqw3vvtn6x1pu.jpg[/t] Cd 0.31, about the same as Chevrolet Bolt[/QUOTE] The original camper van had a drag coefficient of 0.51 which would be terrible for an EV, I really don't see your point here.

[QUOTE=PyroCF;52592779]The original camper van had a drag coefficient of 0.51 which would be terrible for an EV, I really don't see your point here.[/QUOTE] My point is they could keep the shape while making it aerodynamic as well.

Why do all car companies who's name doesn't start with T think step 1 of making an electric car is designing an ultra-futuristic turd? I just don't understand it. Make electric cars look like regular old cars and people might buy them.

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52592791]Why do all car companies who's name doesn't start with T think step 1 of making an electric car is designing an ultra-futuristic turd? I just don't understand it. Make electric cars look like regular old cars and people might buy them.[/QUOTE] two perspectives: in some cases its so they get their government benefits but dont have to spend as much money on R&D/production. its more profitable to stay the course, and by making evs look ugly they attempt diminish the market potential in others its because they want to design something novel, to distinguish themselves from ICE vehicles, and that comes with lots of growing pains. it doesnt help that modern car design is generally going in a direction that a lot of people hate. [editline]20th August 2017[/editline] [img]http://i.picpar.com/Lr2c.jpg[/img] i fixed the front

[QUOTE=Drury;52592762] And my favorite example of this, Eagle Premier [t]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RCQuXbqk--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/v71h8v6uqw3vvtn6x1pu.jpg[/t] Cd 0.31, about the same as Chevrolet Bolt[/QUOTE] How the heck? What black magic is this?

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52592791]Why do all car companies who's name doesn't start with T think step 1 of making an electric car is designing an ultra-futuristic turd? I just don't understand it. Make electric cars look like regular old cars and people might buy them.[/QUOTE] It's weird because VW did make an electric car that was literally just a standard Golf with an electric motor and to me it is the best looking electric car because it looks like a standard car both inside and out. [t]http://www.vw.com/content/dam/vwcom/modelImages/eGolf/2016_Gallery/eGolf-15-1348-Dig-3000x1948.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/original.jpeg[/t] [t]https://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/volkswagen-e-golf-dashboard.jpg?itok=t4Ez5nkV[/t] I mean Tesla cars look really, [b]really[/b] nice on the exterior but I despise the interiors, while the E-Golf looks great both inside and out, it's just unfortunate that it doesn't offer the same range.

[QUOTE=Araknid;52592877]It's weird because VW did make an electric car that was literally just a standard Golf with an electric motor and to me it is the best looking electric car because it looks like a standard car both inside and out. [t]http://www.vw.com/content/dam/vwcom/modelImages/eGolf/2016_Gallery/eGolf-15-1348-Dig-3000x1948.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/original.jpeg[/t] [t]https://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/volkswagen-e-golf-dashboard.jpg?itok=t4Ez5nkV[/t] I mean Tesla cars look really, [b]really[/b] nice on the exterior but I despise the interiors, while the E-Golf looks great both inside and out, it's just unfortunate that it doesn't offer the same range.[/QUOTE] The problem with re-using existing car designs for EVs is that there's no space for the batteries without compromising on cargo space, like VW did with the e-Golf. It's alright for hybrids but whenever they do another redesign of the Golf they will probably consider the space for batteries along the bottom.

I like it

[QUOTE=PyroCF;52592704]They can't exactly keep the old shape because of the drag coefficient.[/QUOTE] I thought it was a safety matter, since the old buses place the driver and passenger in the [i]immediate[/i] front of the vehicle. It's a really weird feeling being in one, because you can get a lot closer behind other cars than your instincts tell you is safe

[QUOTE=Drury;52592782]My point is they could keep the shape while making it aerodynamic as well.[/QUOTE] They did

They're obviously not aiming at the market that owned one of these back in the day. I'm sure hipsters will flood over this.

It looks like ass, reminds me of the BMW i3. The aggressive headlights just make it look more like a child's toy paired with the bulbous body and obnoxiously "futuristic" ornamentation. How could they botch this so badly?

[QUOTE=Crimor;52592626]God damn that's ugly, they should keep the old hippiebus look for it :v:[/QUOTE] Absolutely agreed. This is New Beetle 2.0.

[QUOTE=Bertie;52593118]Absolutely agreed. This is New Beetle 2.0.[/QUOTE] The design is probably subject to change in the production period.

I like it. Sufficiently reminiscent of the old hippie bus, but with a modern take. Wonder if they are going to remake the camper version of with with the raisable roof.

I think it looks nifty, like a big dumb sci-fi car.

[QUOTE=PyroCF;52592704]They can't exactly keep the old shape because of the drag coefficient.[/QUOTE] mostly crash problems, the driver had no protection whatsoever. in this, i imagine they'll take a cue from Smart and make some kind of full frontal crumple zone that meets crash standards

[QUOTE=Sableye;52593181]mostly crash problems, the driver had no protection whatsoever. in this, i imagine they'll take a cue from Smart and make some kind of full frontal crumple zone that meets crash standards[/QUOTE] Can confirm as a fairly frequent driver of a '79 Westfalia that if I get into a front end crash I'm probably dead. [editline]20th August 2017[/editline] Maybe Nader can kill this thing too and have them redesign it into something that looks good

Jfc I know some car guys might mock Tesla for being a electric appliance but this looks closer to that than anything else. They had one job.