After Minnesota police killed Australian woman who called 911, they got a warrant to search her home - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]http://kstp.com/news/bca-search-warrant-justine-damond-australia/4552551/?cat=1[/url] [QUOTE]Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension investigators were granted permission to search Justine Damond's home hours after she was shot and killed by a Minneapolis police officer, according to court records. A criminal law expert can't understand why. "I don't understand why they're looking for bodily fluids inside her home," said Joseph Daly, an emeritus professor at Mitchell Hamline School of Law, referring to one of two recently-released search warrant applications. "Whose bodily fluids are they looking for? Is she a suspect? I don't understand why they're looking for controlled substances inside her home. I don't understand why they're looking for writings inside her home. The warrant does not explain that to me." "When I read that search warrant, I really cannot find probable cause to search her home," he continued.[/QUOTE] They search the home looking for anything to charge the victims family with a crime for the purpose of pulling negative attention from themselves. Reminder that the shooting victim has commited no crime and was shot by police after calling 911 to report a rape. What is concerning is that they gotten a warrent without any crime being taken place. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] Also the police chief has resigned after massive public pressure and I believe the mayor may also resigns as well if she hasnt already.

Give the scumbag life, sets an example to any other officer who thinks they can manipulate the law.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52517560][url]http://kstp.com/news/bca-search-warrant-justine-damond-australia/4552551/?cat=1[/url] They search the home looking for anything to charge the victims family with a crime for the purpose of pulling negative attention from themselves. Reminder that the shooting victim has commited no crime and was shot by police after calling 911 to report a rape. What is concerning is that they gotten a warrent without any crime being taken place. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] Also the police chief has resigned after massive public pressure and I believe the mayor may also resigns as well if she hasnt already.[/QUOTE] I can't speak for that state, but for mine a search warrant would be necessary following that sort of shooting simply to conduct the investigation of the homicide. The search warrant would be a little more clear, however. It is a weirdly laid out warrant and may just be the result of laziness. I'm not defending them, merely pointing out that a search warrant is often part of the investigation and that the content of the warrant is the weird, but not necessarily damning, part of this article.

Weird how god knows how many black people get murdered by the police(Tamir jumps to mind) and not much happens but oh oh a white woman dies and now it's a real issue. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Threadshitting" - Kiwi))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517725]Weird how god knows how many black people get murdered by the police(Tamir jumps to mind) and not much happens but oh oh a white woman dies and now it's a real issue.[/QUOTE] Where the fuck have you been for the last like 4 years. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] And exactly why does this need to be turned into a racial thing? What does race have to do with this at all? Like dude what the fuck.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517725]Weird how god knows how many black people get murdered by the police(Tamir jumps to mind) and not much happens but oh oh a white woman dies and now it's a real issue.[/QUOTE] Come on, man, I'm as frustrated as many at the blatant racial media bias, but I live in Minneapolis, and it's pretty clear that this woman's death has (finally) made people recognize that police brutality is a genuine problem. Maybe people will realize that the police's attempts to justify the murder of an innocent after the fact is [B][I]routine[/I][/B], regardless of race, gender, class, or anything else. Yes, people have implicit racial biases that make them go "well that Castile guy must've been doing something wrong otherwise he wouldn't have been shot," but now that it's happened to a white woman, there's a chance that people will recognize that [I]the people complaining were right the entire time.[/I] Rhetoric like this just pushes people away - police murders like this are an opportunity to show people how their biases have been affecting them beforehand. As unfortunate as it is, murders like this get people talking, and when you can draw clear parallels between Damond and Castile, people will recognize patterns of police misconduct and abuse of power. As an aside, fuck the MPD.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52517762]Where the fuck have you been for the last like 4 years. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] And exactly why does this need to be turned into a racial thing? What does race have to do with this at all? Like dude what the fuck.[/QUOTE] And how many people take BLM seriously? Most of the time they come up here, we deride them. They do silly things so of course they get laughed at or ignored. I mean I get that this is not going to be a popular opinion here, and I frankly don't care. It takes a white person dying to get the nation to finally acknowledge that? Why wasn't it Tamir Rice's death or similar pointless deaths? I frankly don't understand how this isn't racial in some way. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;52517771]Come on, man, I'm as frustrated as many at the blatant racial media bias, but I live in Minneapolis, and it's pretty clear that this woman's death has (finally) made people recognize that police brutality is a genuine problem. Maybe people will realize that the police's attempts to justify the murder of an innocent after the fact is [B][I]routine[/I][/B], regardless of race, gender, class, or anything else. [B]Yes, people have implicit racial biases that make them go "well that Castile guy must've been doing something wrong otherwise he wouldn't have been shot," but now that it's happened to a white woman, there's a chance that people will recognize that [I]the people complaining were right the entire time.[/I] [/B]Rhetoric like this just pushes people away - police murders like this are an opportunity to show people how their biases have been affecting them beforehand. As unfortunate as it is, murders like this get people talking, and when you can draw clear parallels between Damond and Castile, people will recognize patterns of police misconduct and abuse of power. As an aside, fuck the MPD.[/QUOTE] That's kinda.. like... my entire point...

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517785]And how many people take BLM seriously? Most of the time they come up here, we deride them. They do silly things so of course they get laughed at or ignored. [/QUOTE] I feel like that happens because of a bunch of ridiculous things certain splinter sections of BLM do. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517785]I mean I get that this is not going to be a popular opinion here, and I frankly don't care. [/QUOTE] Its not going to be a popular opinion because you're deriding a womans death over the fact that people give a shit about it because apparently people dont give a shit when black people get shot by the police. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517785]It takes a white person dying to get the nation to finally acknowledge that? Why wasn't it Tamir Rice's death or similar pointless deaths? I frankly don't understand how this isn't racial in some way. [/QUOTE] What part of this is racial. What fucking part, besides the fact that people are mad that the MPD were so brazen in killing someone and trying to justify it so blatantly? Consider what you're saying. Consider that you just got upset people bothered to care at such a blatant example of trying to justify a fuck up ending in the death of an innocent person because they arent another color. Consider the difference between being mad because someone died or being mad it wasnt a black person who died.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517725]Weird how god knows how many black people get murdered by the police(Tamir jumps to mind) and not much happens but oh oh a white woman dies and now it's a real issue.[/QUOTE] Oh get off it, seriously. This was a clusterfuck of an "investigation", and involved a foreign national, and the person shot was the one who dialled 911. Nobody gives two tits about the fact that she was white. People care that it was a bungled operation from the start and officers of the law quickly attempted to cover it up. Trying to turn this into a race issue belittles actual race issues. Quit acting like a crusader.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52517807]I feel like that happens because of a bunch of ridiculous things certain splinter sections of BLM do. [/QUOTE] Ok. [QUOTE]Its not going to be a popular opinion because you're deriding a womans death over the fact that people give a shit about it because apparently people dont give a shit when black people get shot by the police . Consider what you're saying. [/QUOTE] I'm not deriding her death. I'm stating the media interest in this case is disproportionate to what it has been, to cases that were equally innocent people featured. The lawyer for Diamond in this case said "She's the most innocent victim I've ever seen". So, you can say that this is a non racial issue 100%, but I'm not sure I see that right now when you consider that there have been entirely innocent cases of black people in the same situation. Now, this is a police murder, essentially. How is that not a racial issue in the racial and modern climate of the US? Do you really believe the whole issue of police brutality is non racial? Genuinely? I'm not saying what you're implying. But thanks for that. [QUOTE]What part of this is racial. What fucking part, besides the fact that people are mad that the MPD were so brazen in killing someone and trying to justify it so blatantly?[/QUOTE] Well, there's a bunch of elements of it. One would be the defense as I mentioned. Another would be the officer himself is currently being criticized as a "Diversity" hire because of his race. Another again would be the climate of the day. I don't see how those are non racial in their entirety as you demand I agree. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52517817]Oh get off it, seriously. This was a clusterfuck of an "investigation", and involved a foreign national, and the person shot was the one who dialled 911. Nobody gives two tits about the fact that she was white. People care that it was a bungled operation from the start and officers of the law quickly attempted to cover it up. Trying to turn this into a race issue belittles actual race issues. Quit acting like a crusader.[/QUOTE] I'll admit my first post wasn't how I should have phrased it but it really is curious how fast the reaction here is that this is non racial and I'm a fucking moron for suggesting it is. However, if I go to different forums, one where it's more centered around black people, you can read an entirely different perspective of things. I should have phrased my initial post as more of a question, but I didn't, and now the discussion is about how stupid HumanAbyss is, and not about how fucking strange this situation is. Oh well.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517725]Weird how god knows how many black people get murdered by the police(Tamir jumps to mind) and not much happens but oh oh a white woman dies and now it's a real issue.[/QUOTE] For real dood? Theres been riots that have lasted weeks over a black man or teenager that was justly killed. What planet do you live on?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517725]Weird how god knows how many black people get murdered by the police(Tamir jumps to mind) and not much happens but oh oh a white woman dies and now it's a real issue.[/QUOTE] Can't be the fact that she's from Australia aswell, nope, not at all. Piss off mate, there's been plenty of outrage over black people dying aswell.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517785]And how many people take BLM seriously? Most of the time they come up here, we deride them. They do silly things so of course they get laughed at or ignored. I mean I get that this is not going to be a popular opinion here, and I frankly don't care. It takes a white person dying to get the nation to finally acknowledge that? Why wasn't it Tamir Rice's death or similar pointless deaths? I frankly don't understand how this isn't racial in some way. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] That's kinda.. like... my entire point...[/QUOTE] Nobody takes BLM seriously because of their methods, not their message. They spread their message by blocking highways and near rioting. You can spout that its a racial thing all day long but nobody is flipping cars and breaking windows over this white woman being shot. Youre simply just wrong dood.

[QUOTE=Araknid;52517839]Can't be the fact that she's from Australia aswell, nope, not at all. Piss off mate, there's been plenty of outrage over black people dying aswell.[/QUOTE] And how does the media frame that? Genuine question. What is the difference between how the media is framing this, and how the media framed the death of Trayvon or Freddie Gray or Tamir Rice? If you say there's literally no difference, I don't think I agree.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517826]Ok. I'm not deriding her death. I'm stating the media interest in this case is disproportionate to what it has been, to cases that were equally innocent people featured. The lawyer for Diamond in this case said "She's the most innocent victim I've ever seen". So, you can say that this is a non racial issue 100%, but I'm not sure I see that right now when you consider that there have been entirely innocent cases of black people in the same situation. Now, this is a police murder, essentially. How is that not a racial issue in the racial and modern climate of the US? Do you really believe the whole issue of police brutality is non racial? Genuinely? I'm not saying what you're implying. But thanks for that. Well, there's a bunch of elements of it. One would be the defense as I mentioned. Another would be the officer himself is currently being criticized as a "Diversity" hire because of his race. Another again would be the climate of the day. I don't see how those are non racial in their entirety as you demand I agree. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] I'll admit my first post wasn't how I should have phrased it but it really is curious how fast the reaction here is that this is non racial and I'm a fucking moron for suggesting it is. However, if I go to different forums, one where it's more centered around black people, you can read an entirely different perspective of things. I should have phrased my initial post as more of a question, but I didn't, and now the discussion is about how stupid HumanAbyss is, and not about how fucking strange this situation is. Oh well.[/QUOTE] I dont feel like arguing with you over this for 5 pages so i'll cut it short and give you a question. Are you mad because a white person died and people care about the circumstances of her death, or are you mad because it wasnt a black person who died? Because one of those feels like the implication your posts are making.

Alright, I won't try and argue a perspective I've dealt with elsewhere, here. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;52517853]I dont feel like arguing with you over this for 5 pages so i'll cut it short and give you a question. Are you mad because a white person died and people care about the circumstances of her death, or are you mad because it wasnt a black person who died? Because one of those feels like the implication your posts are making.[/QUOTE] Neither of those but thanks for the false dichotomy that's real sweet of you to limit me to those specific brands of bullshit

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517855]Alright, I won't try and argue a perspective I've dealt with elsewhere, here. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] Neither of those but thanks for the false dichotomy that's real sweet of you to limit me to your specific brands of bullshit[/QUOTE] Dont blame me when you decided to want to make it about race when it previously had nothing to do with it and there was more of a focus on her nationality than her appearance.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517725]Weird how god knows how many black people get murdered by the police(Tamir jumps to mind) and not much happens but oh oh a white woman dies and now it's a real issue.[/QUOTE] Completely different circumstances. Also, good job trying to demean the death of this woman.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52517864]Dont blame me when you decided to want to make it about race when it previously had nothing to do with it and there was more of a focus on her nationality.[/QUOTE] Okay, but that's the thing. I read about this story almost a week ago, and the discussion that was had in the comments of that piece in a different website showed a perspective many people of colour have that this is not how you're saying it is. I'm terribly sorry for bothering you with those perspectives here. [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52517865]Completely different circumstances. Also, good job trying to demean the death of this woman.[/QUOTE] Didn't do that. But whatever.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517848]And how does the media frame that? Genuine question. What is the difference between how the media is framing this, and how the media framed the death of Trayvon or Freddie Gray or Tamir Rice? If you say there's literally no difference, I don't think I agree.[/QUOTE] Well so far the media hasn't chopped up 911 operator calls like they did with Trayvon Martins case to incriminate Zimmerman. Why don't you describe the differences.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517870]Didn't do that. But whatever.[/QUOTE] Your first post in this thread is complaining about how people are mad about this and not mad about some other thing happening to other people, no matter how legitimate your point may or may not be you had the decency of a man taking a shit in public. So yes you did.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517855] Neither of those but thanks for the false dichotomy that's real sweet of you to limit me to those specific brands of bullshit[/QUOTE] Prove otherwise dude. The first post you made was nothing short of inflammatory, and added nothing to the conversation. You don't give a [I]fuck[/I] about Damond's death unless it lets you make some "point" about racial inequality. Nobody here is denying that racial inequality exists. Nobody is denying that there is a serious issue in regards to how police treat people of color. [I]That has no bearing on this incident though[/I] [editline]28th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517870] Didn't do that. But whatever.[/QUOTE] Yes you did. [quote=you] but oh oh a white woman dies and now it's a real issue.[/quote]

Holy shit can you guys read where I said I messed up my first post? I already apologized for wording that poorly, and I already described that this would be about me to you people, more than the issue. So i'm out. I'm not really interested in talking about how little you people fucking think of me because unlike you guys who never make a poor post, I made a poor post. Enjoy your night. I'm not going to bother.

Seems kinda unfair to frame their arguments as saying something negative about this death, when it's meant to be lamenting people's reactions to previous deaths in comparison to this one.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517896]Holy shit can you guys read where I said I messed up my first post? I already apologized for wording that poorly, and I already described that this would be about me to you people, more than the issue. So i'm out. I'm not really interested in talking about how little you people fucking think of me because unlike you guys who never make a poor post, I made a poor post. Enjoy your night. I'm not going to bother.[/QUOTE] How did you not realize coming into a thread about someones death and the police trying to justify it after the fact, shitting on the floor with "BUT WHAT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE", and screaming how its actually a racial issue might not have been tactful or well received by anyone with a semblance of empathy?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517896]Holy shit can you guys read where I said I messed up my first post? I already apologized for wording that poorly, and I already described that this would be about me to you people, more than the issue. So i'm out. I'm not really interested in talking about how little you people fucking think of me because unlike you guys who never make a poor post, I made a poor post. Enjoy your night. I'm not going to bother.[/QUOTE] All of your other posts attempting to defend your asinine point of view only dug your hole deeper. You decided to sit on your pedestal and throw out things like "well on [I]OTHER[/I] forums people think X!" and making snide remarks like "I'm terribly sorry for bothering you with those perspectives here.". If you had any intent of having any sort of conversation at all, you wouldn't have started off with such a blatantly misinformed, inflammatory and poorly-thought-out post.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52517911]All of your other posts attempting to defend your asinine point of view only dug your hole deeper. You decided to sit on your pedestal and throw out things like "well on [I]OTHER[/I] forums people think X!" and making snide remarks like "I'm terribly sorry for bothering you with those perspectives here.". If you had any intent of having any sort of conversation at all, you wouldn't have started off with such a blatantly misinformed, inflammatory and poorly-thought-out post.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm a total moron and fucked up i'm sorry

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517912]Yeah I'm a total moron and fucked up i'm sorry[/QUOTE] Are you being sarcastic or sincere here because you already tried to ride a condescending high horse out of this conversation and i'm unable to tell.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517912]Yeah I'm a total moron and fucked up i'm sorry[/QUOTE] I never said that. Next time, formulate an argument and stick with it. Don't start off with something like that and then be suddenly surprised that people react the way they do.

This is why you need to word things carefully, or you get people ganging up on you even though you are definitively correct. Black lives are portrayed less in the media than white lives - especially the life of a young, attractive woman. Hell, I heard more from my immediate family about the Minneapolis cop who non-fatally shot two [I]dogs[/I] than I heard them talk about Castile or any other shooting event. As another Minnesota example, the kidnapping of Jacob Wetterling in 1989 received an unbelievable amount of media coverage and prompted a national child safety scare. Even searching for recent news on kidnappings in Minnesota, a solid quarter of them are about "remembering" Wetterling. Yet, federal statistics show that minority children make up 65% of non-family abductions, and 42% of the total are black. When was the last time you saw even [I]local[/I] coverage for the abduction of a black child? Why is that not shown nearly as frequently in media? The media fails to fairly represent minority groups, and it reinforces these (often unconscious) racial biases that people have. Time and time again, people justify a police murder by saying that they must've been doing something wrong. Nobody [I]ever[/I] implied that Damond was doing something wrong, yet the go-to defense that the police used against Castile was... weed. Because we all know that it's very dangerous. There are these implicit racial biases, and it's understandably frustrating for minorities especially. But when you bring up these blatantly obvious racial biases, people get [I]immediately[/I] defensive, because people think you're calling them racist. Sure, maybe they are, but they aren't necessarily aware of those biases. Everybody has those biases - [B]everybody[/B]. Instead of coming straight out and saying that, and putting people on the defensive (which never works in drawing sympathy or changing public opinion), you need to point out where the similarities exist between the Castile case and the Damond case. If you want to convince people to take action on police brutality, you don't go "well she was white so of course people care, why didn't they care before." You go "this is just one of many cases of police abuse of power, here are others (who are black), this is more than just a racial issue, we need to fix this."