94-year-old Lithium-Ion Battery Inventor Introduces Solid State Battery - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]AUSTIN, Texas — A team of engineers led by 94-year-old John Goodenough, professor in the Cockrell School of Engineering at The University of Texas at Austin and co-inventor of the lithium-ion battery, has developed the first all-solid-state battery cells that could lead to safer, faster-charging, longer-lasting rechargeable batteries for handheld mobile devices, electric cars and stationary energy storage. ... The researchers demonstrated that their new battery cells have at least [B]three times as much energy density as today’s lithium-ion batteries.[/B] A battery cell’s energy density gives an electric vehicle its driving range, so a higher energy density means that a car can drive more miles between charges. The UT Austin battery formulation also allows for a greater number of charging and discharging cycles, which equates to longer-lasting batteries, as well as a faster rate of recharge (minutes rather than hours). ... Additionally, because the solid-glass electrolytes can operate, or have high conductivity, at -20 degrees Celsius, this type of battery in a car could perform well in subzero degree weather. This is the first all-solid-state battery cell that can operate under 60 degree Celsius.[/quote] [url=http://hn.premii.com/#/article/13778543]Sauce[/url] [B][U]Holy shit.[/U][/B] Since they're being led by John Goodenough, I feel like this isn't just another one of those things that's gonna disappear within a month.

Sounds good enough for me. [sp]Sorry[/sp]

HALT EVERYTHING, Sorry Musk, gonna have to knock down your Gigafactory and rebuild it....

I'm cautiously optimistic about this technology. Hopefully they make it commercially viable soon. [QUOTE=nuttyboffin;51907442]HALT EVERYTHING, Sorry Musk, gonna have to knock down your Gigafactory and rebuild it....[/QUOTE] Gigafactory was designed to be able to be retrofit for new chemistries if needed.

I guess the lithium-ion battery just wasn't Goodenough. :v: I'll see myself out

great to know all modern technology is powered by several layers of puns and terrible names

[QUOTE=Sableye;51907472]great to know all modern technology is powered by several layers of puns and terrible names[/QUOTE] It's the way it should be really.

What a legend

Sounds cool, when can we start making weapons out of them?

Christ, 94 years old and still leading a team to make great discoveries. What a guy.

the good thing about all the cuts to social security is that it keeps our geniuses from retiring. Nice to see age hasn't slowed them down one bit

[QUOTE=MADmarine;51907758]Christ, 94 years old and still leading a team to make great discoveries. What a guy.[/QUOTE] Gotta give major respects to engineers who iterate on their work too. The guy co-invented Li-Ion in '79 and is now making a better battery. Cheaper: [QUOTE]The engineers’ glass electrolytes allow them to plate and strip alkali metals on both the cathode and the anode side without dendrites, which simplifies battery cell fabrication. Another advantage is that the battery cells can be made from earth-friendly materials. [B]“The glass electrolytes allow for the substitution of low-cost sodium for lithium. Sodium is extracted from seawater that is widely available,” Braga said.[/B][/QUOTE] Safer: [QUOTE] If a battery cell is charged too quickly, it can cause dendrites or “metal whiskers” to form and cross through the liquid electrolytes, causing a short circuit that can lead to explosions and fires. Instead of liquid electrolytes, the researchers rely on glass electrolytes that enable the use of an alkali-metal anode without the formation of dendrites. [/QUOTE] And works at lower temps than Li-Ion too! [QUOTE]Additionally, because the solid-glass electrolytes can operate, or have high conductivity, [B]at -20 degrees Celsius[/B], this type of battery in a car could perform well in subzero degree weather. This is the first all-solid-state battery cell that can operate under 60 degree Celsius.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Morgen;51907463]I'm cautiously optimistic about this technology. Hopefully they make it commercially viable soon. Gigafactory was designed to be able to be retrofit for new chemistries if needed.[/QUOTE] I'm aware, the question is, how dramatic a retrofit will it need.

Here's hoping this goes somewhere

I really hope this works out, and soon, because batteries in smartphones are really ass

The real question is how fast can you get power out of these cells? Acceleration could suffer quite a bit.

Hah, now if they'll last for >20 years in a car this might actually be what a BEV needs to truly be competitive with ICE....still won't be one in my driveway, but at least they'd be viable for most people. [editline]3rd March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Morgen;51908344]The real question is how fast can you get power out of these cells? Acceleration could suffer quite a bit.[/QUOTE] 99% of people won't notice anything over 150-175HP and ~250FT LBs because they'll never call for it. If the acceleration matches a basic bitch-ass V6 sedan it's more than adequate. No point in worrying about getting more power than that out of a BEV designed for the average person.

Hope this works. We have all this new stuff that is awesome but the thing that really holds it all back is god damn batteries Wireless mice, keyboards, headsets, tablets, phones, laptops, cars... batteries that store 3 times the energy as they do now for these would finally put them all in a place where they could actually replace shit for good

That guy looks exceptionally well for a 94 year old.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;51908472]Hope this works. We have all this new stuff that is awesome but the thing that really holds it all back is god damn batteries Wireless mice, keyboards, headsets, tablets, phones, laptops, cars... batteries that store 3 times the energy as they do now for these would finally put them all in a place where they could actually replace shit for good[/QUOTE] Yeah it'll be really cool when we finally get to replace wired phones with wireless ones v:v:v [sp]basically everything you just described is already viable and for some very popular, but it'll definitely be cool to make them better and maybe convert some of the holdoffs[/sp]

This sounds fucking awesome. I can't wait to never hear about it again.

[QUOTE=dustyjo;51908786]This sounds fucking awesome. I can't wait to never hear about it again.[/QUOTE] New technologies take decades to develop and mature, and most don't pan out due to a variety of reasons. But epic zinger I guess!

I would absolutely love better batteries, kudos to these guys

[url]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1109163_battery-legend-goodenough-not-done-yet-new-solid-state-chemistry-introduced[/url] [QUOTE]As with all research, it's worth noting that a technology that looks promising in the lab, may not necessarily be commercially viable. Even if it is, the transition from research project to consumer product can take years.[/QUOTE] :(

So what will we call these? Sodium silicate batteries? It does sort of roll off the tongue.

[QUOTE=Birdman101;51909123]So what will we call these? Sodium silicate batteries? It does sort of roll off the tongue.[/QUOTE] NaGlass or sodium-glass or glass batteries. id love a glass battery for a glass phone

Now you can drop your phone and not only break your screen but now your battery as well! Jokes aside, really hope this sees the day of light in the future.

Power source for exosuits/powerarmor when? Afaik the lack of non borderline bomb power sources has been the biggest holdback.

[QUOTE=Elspin;51908714]Yeah it'll be really cool when we finally get to replace wired phones with wireless ones v:v:v [sp]basically everything you just described is already viable and for some very popular, but it'll definitely be cool to make them better and maybe convert some of the holdoffs[/sp][/QUOTE] Everything I described is dependent on being plugged in at the end of the day, or if you actively use it, well before then, with the exception of Mice and Keyboards. It's the reason I don't like laptops or wireless peripherals, because you still have to wire them up to charge them so what's the point of going wireless. With an actual jump in battery technology you can actually go ALL DAY with heavy use and that's where they fall short for me. For now.

If anyone's interested, the original paper can be found [url="http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2017/EE/C6EE02888H"]here[/url], DOI: 10.1039/C6EE02888H