Christian thrown out of university over anti-gay remarks posted on Facebook loses appeal - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]A devout Christian who was thrown off a university social work course after branding homosexuality a sin on Facebook has lost a high court battle. Felix Ngole, from Barnsley in south Yorkshire, [B]was removed from a two-year MA course at Sheffield University[/B] in February last year after writing what [B]the university called “derogatory” comments about gay and bisexual people.[/B] Ngole, 39, wrote during a debate on Facebook that[B] “the Bible and God identify homosexuality as a sin”,[/B] adding that “same-sex marriage is a sin whether we like it or not. It is God’s words and man’s sentiments would not change His words.” He claimed that he was lawfully expressing a traditional Christian view and complained that university bosses unfairly stopped him completing a postgraduate degree. But after analysing rival claims at a trial in London this month, the deputy high court judge, Rowena Collins Rice, ruled against him.[/quote] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/27/christian-felix-ngole-thrown-out-sheffield-university-anti-gay-remarks-loses-appeal[/url]

Stupidity has it's consequences.

Oh boy. More very intelligent people from Barnsley I see.

Well they might aswell kick out anyone with traditional religious views. Also why is a college monitoring a facebook debate? I guess I would really have to know if his professional degree would even be in conflict with what he said to see this as an issue worth disqualifying someone for.

[quote]Ngole, 39, wrote during a debate on Facebook that “the Bible and God identify homosexuality as a sin”, adding that “[b]same-sex marriage is a sin whether we like it or not.[/b] It is God’s words and man’s sentiments would not change His words.”[/quote] That's assuming that it's obvious to everyone that there was ever even a god in the first place. If God feels that strongly against a gay couple marrying just because he didn't intend for it to happen, he may need to get his priorities straight.

If God didn't want gay peeps then maybe he should've made a world without them :thinking:

[QUOTE=Tudd;52827760]Well they might aswell kick out anyone with traditional religious views. Also why is a college monitoring a facebook debate? I guess I would really have to know if his professional degree would even be in conflict with what he said.[/QUOTE] Well it might not have been monitoring it, someone probably just reported him to the staff.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52827760]Well they might aswell kick out anyone with traditional religious views. Also why is a college monitoring a facebook debate? I guess I would really have to know if his professional degree would even be in conflict with what he said.[/QUOTE] If you read the article, it states he was working towards a profession in social care. [quote]Collins Rice said: “Public religious speech has to be looked at in a regulated context from the perspective of a public readership. Social workers have considerable power over the lives of vulnerable service users and trust is a precious professional commodity.”[/quote] And from the original article a year ago when he was kicked out: [quote]He was eventually told that it involved breaching social work guidelines on "personal conduct" and "bringing the profession into disrepute". They concluded that, even though he was not yet even qualified as a social worker, his comment on the Facebook thread would affect his ability to operate in the profession.[/quote] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12176380/Christian-student-expelled-for-opposing-gay-marriage.html[/url]

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52827785]If God didn't want gay peeps then maybe he should've made a world without them :thinking:[/QUOTE] You can say that about everything labeled as "sins" in the eyes of Christians. It's that damn snake/forbidden fruit's fault, bringing impurity to this world. Basically most organized religion's belief's make no sense and often directly contradict each other, unless you cherry pick of course which is what modern religion/believers are all about.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52827785]If God didn't want gay peeps then maybe he should've made a world without them :thinking:[/QUOTE] No you see, he did make people not gay, but then they ate the forbidden fruit of gayness and started having homosexual thoughts or something.

[QUOTE=Socram;52827802]You can say that about everything labeled as "sins" in the eyes of Christians. It's that damn snake/forbidden fruit's fault, bringing impurity to this world. Basically most organized religion's belief's make no sense and often directly contradict each other, unless you cherry pick of course which is what modern religion/believers are all about.[/QUOTE] Yeah this is exactly what I'm getting at: Everything that is a sin is the the consequence of the events of the Genesis story, but if God is meant to be omnipotent then the entire scenario was intentionally designed to go wrong from the very start. When subjected to a single ounce of logic the entire thing is self defeating.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52827760]Well they might aswell kick out anyone with traditional religious views. Also why is a college monitoring a facebook debate? I guess I would really have to know if his professional degree would even be in conflict with what he said to see this as an issue worth disqualifying someone for.[/QUOTE] I'm intolerant to religious intolerance.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52827806]No you see, he did make people not gay, but then they ate the forbidden fruit of gayness and started having homosexual thoughts or something.[/QUOTE] the snake gave adam a mirror and he was like [i]damn[/i]

Oh this is bullshit designed to give right-winged folks ammo. I wanna see genuine hostile-to-gays quotes before I'll feel this is in any way justified.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52827993]It isn't like he is vowing to hurt gay people or anything. What he is stating has very little bearing on predicting his future actions.[/QUOTE] He was trying to be a social worker. Having those kind of beliefs in that kind of potential position can [I]absolutely[/I] hurt gay people. This whole "well he didn't want to hurt anyone" thing that people pull [I]all the time[/I] to defend homophobia is really, really dumb. It doesn't need to come down to physical violence to cause harm to a group of people.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52827760]Well they might aswell kick out anyone with traditional religious views.[/QUOTE] Didnt you make a post about lgbts arming themself this week and acted like you cared about them? Why would you be defending someone with homophobic views today then? While supporting a president who picked Mike "GayShock™" Pence as vice president of course. :thinking:

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52827990]There is literally nothing wrong with this statement, IIRC it is a matter of fact, it is in the bible as stated unless there is a version of the bible without these that I dont know of. Bible is God's words provided you believe in it, that is an assumption made automatically since the debate seems to be around the Bible and Christianity (whether or not the Christian God finds homosexuals to be sinful). Not sure why God's (in)existence is a matter of dispute here. If all Christians believing in the Biblical homosexuality-is-a-sin narrative is unfit for Social Care, you will have a real shortage of workers. And why go after poor social care workers and not the MPs who publicly come out and say it (repeat after the Bible), not even on Facebook but on newspapers and TV? People like Davis? Are Christians fit to serve as MPs and state officials when they can't practice social care? [b]Or is the preferred way not talking about your religious beliefs in public if they are derogatory of others[/b] (unless you are a powerful individual)?[/QUOTE] I mean...yeah. If your religion classifies a large swath of the population as somehow "lesser" than you for something about themselves they cannot control, I don't see why you should be parading that around in public. It's nothing to be proud of, it's outdated and regressive on many levels. How do those beliefs help the individual who holds them? What can possibly be gained from sweeping so many people under the bus for being "sinners?" Alternately, go ahead and spout your beliefs, but accept and understand that you can't compel people to accept them and that there will be consequences if people around you don't want to deal with you. I'd put forward that if you want to be a social worker, you need to be an open-minded and accepting person who won't judge the people they're helping. If you're the type who thinks gays are bad because "that's just how God made it, sorry guys," then you're not the type of person [I]I[/I] want working with me.

[QUOTE=The Jack;52828022]Oh this is bullshit designed to give right-winged folks ammo. I wanna see genuine hostile-to-gays quotes before I'll feel this is in any way justified.[/QUOTE] I dunno about you but where I'm from "I think people like you are a sin" is a pretty hostile thing to say to someone.

I mean what the guy is saying is absolutely true, the Bible condemns homosexuality, I think the title is misleading to call these "anti-gay remarks" when all he was doing was elaborating on the perspective of the Christian who wouldn't file same sex marriages. At no point did he claim to be superior to the homosexuals, and while I personally think most all of religions have outdated as fuck values, especially this value, he really wasn't being derogatory in any way. He just shared what the Bible had to say about homosexuality. I really don't see how that's grounds to be removed from a college. And don't jump on me with some sort of homophobe call out shit, I think it's atrocious to judge one based on sexuality, but that's really not what he's doing. [editline]27th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52828069]I dunno about you but where I'm from "I think people like you are a sin" is a pretty hostile thing to say to someone.[/QUOTE] That is not even remotely anywhere near what he said.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828077]That is not even remotely anywhere near what he said.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“the Bible and God identify homosexuality as a sin”[/QUOTE] That's quite literally what he said though.

[QUOTE=Loth;52828038]Didnt you make a post about lgbts arming themself this week and acted like you cared about them? Why would you be defending someone with homophobic views today then? While supporting a president who picked Mike "GayShock™" Pence as vice president of course. :thinking:[/QUOTE] If they kicked out a Muslim student for the exact same views I would be calling the exact same bullshit right now. You simply don't realize how many people this effects since it throws anyone with traditional views on their holy texts under the bus when they are otherwise a fully functional person in society. Like what a joke this judgement implies on society. Pretty much if you are religious, and point out the obvious of your theology, they are affirming you have views they could kick you out for, despite literally millions of people having these views already in the field they are practicing for. Religious people in social work is not something new at all and people actually seek it. Unless he is already a UK government worker, and has a set standard and expectation to be professionally unbiased, this was a bullshit call.

[QUOTE=Loth;52828088]That's quite literally what he said though.[/QUOTE] There's a big difference in saying "god says homosexuality is a sin" and saying "people like you are a sin." One is a statement of a fact, and one is an un-christian derogatory call-out.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828077] That is not even remotely anywhere near what he said.[/QUOTE] That is how it feels to who it says it to? that's how it feels when my family says that shit, its not a good feeling. It doesn't have to be literal to be asinine and hurtful. Plus, if we're going with literally what the bible says the bible says this in Titus 2:9-10 (one of several dozen pro-slavery quotes tbh) [quote] Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior. [/quote] I'm just sharing what the bible says about slavery. no way that me posting it as part of a discussion somewhere is a statement of my views, not at all. And surely I shouldn't face retribution or criticism for posting such things as justification for my stance: it's what the bible says, I'm just sharing. /s [sp]Reading deeper into the bible is what slowly transformed me into an atheist, tbh[/sp] [editline]27th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Hilton;52828101]There's a big difference in saying "god says homosexuality is a sin" and saying "people like you are a sin." One is a statement of a fact, and one is an un-christian derogatory call-out.[/QUOTE] no, that's just using the bible and god as a scapegoat since you lack the courage to say how you feel and what you think yourself.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828101]There's a big difference in saying "god says homosexuality is a sin" and saying "people like you are a sin." One is a statement of a fact, and one is an un-christian derogatory call-out.[/QUOTE] They mean the same thing though. When homosexuality is an undeniable part of who you are, saying that is a sin is saying you are a sinful person.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52828099]If they kicked out a Muslim student for the exact same views I would be calling the exact same bullshit right now. You simply don't realize how many people this effects since it throws anyone with traditional views on their holy texts under the bus when they are otherwise a fully functional person in society.[/QUOTE] No you wouldn't. There is a distinct difference between your holy book condemning something, and you judging people based on that condemnation. The Christian faith believes in neighborly love regardless of if that neighbor is a sinner. It is not for them to use that rule of homosexuals being sinners to call out an homosexuals they know, a true Christian lives and let's live and leaves the judgement to God. Just saying "the Bible says gay people are sinners" is in no fucking way offensive or derogatory, it's literally what the book says.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52828099]fully functional person in society.[/QUOTE] *As long as they don't closely interact with the swaths of people who their traditional values disparage or condemn.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828120]No you wouldn't. There is a distinct difference between your holy book condemning something, and you judging people based on that condemnation. The Christian faith believes in neighborly love regardless of if that neighbor is a sinner. It is not for them to use that rule of homosexuals being sinners to call out an homosexuals they know, a true Christian lives and let's live and leaves the judgement to God. Just saying "the Bible says gay people are sinners" is in no fucking way offensive or derogatory, it's literally what the book says.[/QUOTE] What are even arguing at this point? [quote]"the Bible and God identify homosexuality as a sin”, adding that “same-sex marriage is a sin whether we like it or not. It is God’s words and man’s sentiments would not change His words.”[/quote] You say that pointing out the obvious isn't offensive or derogatory, but that is what this person did; He pointed out the obvious as a believer in the bible. And there is a good chance this person would even say they agree with you on letting god judge. So how do you know he isn't a "true" christian who would be in the clear as you put it?

[QUOTE=paindoc;52828110]That is how it feels to who it says it to? that's how it feels when my family says that shit, its not a good feeling. It doesn't have to be literal to be asinine and hurtful. Plus, if we're going with literally what the bible says the bible says this in Titus 2:9-10 (one of several dozen pro-slavery quotes tbh) I'm just sharing what the bible says about slavery. no way that me posting it as part of a discussion somewhere is a statement of my views, not at all. And surely I shouldn't face retribution or criticism for posting such things as justification for my stance: it's what the bible says, I'm just sharing. /s [sp]Reading deeper into the bible is what slowly transformed me into an atheist, tbh[/sp] [editline]27th October 2017[/editline] no, that's just using the bible and god as a scapegoat since you lack the courage to say how you feel and what you think yourself.[/QUOTE] I really do agree with you. The Bible is horribly outdated. But this country has millions upon millions of Christians in it, you can't just kick them all out of college for being Christian. You can kick them out for calling out homosexuals or practicing slavery, not for stating that the Bible supports or condemns one or the other though. [editline]27th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;52828146]What are even arguing at this point? You say that pointing out the obvious isn't offensive or derogatory, but that is what this person did; He pointed out the obvious as a believer in the bible.[/QUOTE] I agree with you,I'm just saying if this was a Muslim you wouldn't have even read the thread.

If people wanna have homophobic views, religious or not, fine, but keep em to yourself. Most people do, and that's why nobody cares to kick them out of things or punish them or whatever.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828147] I agree with you,I'm just saying if this was a Muslim you wouldn't have even read the thread.[/QUOTE] No, I would read the thread. I would be interested in why any religious group got kicked out of a graduate program since it deals with topics I deal with myself. And yes, this judgement is complete BS regardless of the religion and I would say exactly the same thing right now in it. I guess I misread and happy to agree with you, but I strongly disagree with this sentiment I would ignore a similar thread.