Gamers harass woman online over Mass Effect Andromeda - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote=Cnet]A woman identified as working on the animations for the video game Mass Effect Andromeda became the target of an online campaign of harassment Saturday that saw her online accounts flooded with misogynistic messages. Allie Rose-Marie Leost was bombarded with sexually explicit messages after she was identified as the lead animator in Electronic Arts' motion capture labs by a blog post at TheRalphRetort, Kotaku reported Saturday. The blog's author was apparently upset over the awkward facial animations in the upcoming role-playing game and went so far as to suggest that Leost got her job by performing sex acts.[/quote] [quote]However, it appears the most recent campaign of vile abuse was misdirected. EA subsidiary Bioware issued a statement Saturday afternoon condemning the attack and saying it was a case of mistaken identity.[/quote] [url=https://www.cnet.com/news/gamers-harass-woman-online-over-mass-effect-andromeda/]Source[/url]. [url=https://archive.is/Augwx]Archived Source[/url]. The official Bioware response: [media]http://twitter.com/bioware/status/843190432033005568[/media] No one deserves to be harassed, but it is [url=https://archive.is/6Oii3]pretty clear that someone is lying here, since she listed her self previously as the Lead Facial Animator for Mass Effect: Andromeda[/url]. I hope games media doesn't use this opportunity to deflect criticism about the game either.

[QUOTE=Fangz;51984163]I hope games media doesn't use this opportunity to deflect criticism about the game either.[/QUOTE] They probably will. Games media is tabloid trash 99.9% of the time.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51984169]They probably will. Games media is tabloid trash 99.9% of the time.[/QUOTE] The BioWare tweet is pretty well-constructed, sadly I doubt the media will follow since we now got "Gamers harass woman..."

[QUOTE=jiggu;51984205]The BioWare tweet is pretty well-constructed, sadly I doubt the media will follow since we now got "Gamers harass woman..."[/QUOTE] I mean... They do. That's the story here.

Either she's lying about her own position and therefore baiting on purpose or bioware is lying and leaving her out to dry instead of sticking up for their own decisions. Also, i guess this is going to become another "person suddenly thrust into spotlight learns that there are always a small percentage of people who will send rude or outright threatening comments to everyone with any amount of public attention and uses this to deflect from the things the majority gives a shit about" story. [QUOTE=Beetle179;51984210]I mean... They do. That's the story here.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pascall;51984220]That's exactly what happened here though ?? ?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dr.C;51984216]Gamers including people on this forum DID harass that woman. You can go see the thread yourself, it's probably not even on the second page yet.[/QUOTE] just to get this nonsense out of the way. "gamers harrass women" is like saying "gamers harrass men" or "cucumber farmers harrass white people". We currently live in a world where anyone with an ounce of public attention will received a small percentage of "harrassment" messages often mixed in with positive messages and negative criticism, both of which are valid. Taking this reality into account people trying to spread the narrative that "gamers harrass women" are trying to make the point that gamers are extra evil or specifically anti-women which i personally believe is false but more importantly all these stories provide is anecdotes. It also misses the implication that if gamers are inherently more prone to being dicks on the internet then female gamers are included in this group... where kotaku is involved they tend to also include any kind of criticism in that "harrassment" category aswell.

[QUOTE=jiggu;51984205]The BioWare tweet is pretty well-constructed, sadly I doubt the media will follow since we now got "Gamers harass woman..."[/QUOTE] Gamers including people on this forum DID harass that woman. You can go see the thread yourself, it's probably not even on the second page yet. [B]EDIT:[/B] woops looks like I exaggerated, nobody from here personally messaged the woman, sorry for the accusation

[QUOTE=jiggu;51984205]The BioWare tweet is pretty well-constructed, sadly I doubt the media will follow since we now got "Gamers harass woman..."[/QUOTE] That's exactly what happened here though ?? ?

Disgusting. No reason for this, that blog needs to apologize for their mistake immediately. [editline]a[/editline] This isn't "gamergate 2.0" like that blog claims. This straight up bullshit.

[QUOTE=Fangz;51984163]No one deserves to be harassed, but it is [url=https://archive.is/6Oii3]pretty clear that someone is lying here, since she listed her self previously as the Lead Facial Animator for Mass Effect: Andromeda[/url]. I hope games media doesn't use this opportunity to deflect criticism about the game either.[/QUOTE] I hope no one doesn't use this opportunity to deflect the issue of harassment because Bioware might be lying. Not saying you are, but I seriously hope this thread actually focuses on the news story. [editline]19th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr.C;51984216]Gamers including people on this forum DID harass that woman. You can go see the thread yourself, it's probably not even on the second page yet.[/QUOTE] Link please. I don't know what thread you're referring to.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51984225]I hope no one doesn't use this opportunity to deflect the issue of harassment because Bioware might be lying. Not saying you are, but I seriously hope this thread actually focuses on the news story. [editline]19th March 2017[/editline] Link please.[/QUOTE] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1557163]here you go mate[/url] literally first page [quote]I don't want to stereotype and assume that this lady sucked dick to get in this position but I really believe this happened.[/quote] Classsssy

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51984216]Gamers including people on this forum DID harass that woman. You can go see the thread yourself, it's probably not even on the second page yet.[/QUOTE] Unless I am missing something they are just talking about her. Not interacting with her in any way, unless your bar for "harassment" is so low that mentioning a person is harassment.

[QUOTE=Thlis;51984249]Unless I am missing something they are just talking about her. Not interacting with her in any way, unless your bar for "harassment" is so low that mentioning a person is harassment.[/QUOTE] Having multiple users wonder if she had to blow someone for a job offer isn't exactly friendly conversation.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51984254]Having multiple users wonder if she had to blow someone for a job offer isn't exactly friendly conversation.[/QUOTE] Thats kind of fucked but its not harassment.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51984220]That's exactly what happened here though ?? ?[/QUOTE] Exactly? So me and everyone else who isn't crazy enough to go on the witch hunt but like video games gets to take the fall as being part of "gamers". The media should stop piling everyone who plays video games on the "women hating gamers" pile and be less broad. The same way we don't say everyone muslim is a terrorist.

[QUOTE=Beetle179;51984232][url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1557163]here you go mate[/url] literally first page[/QUOTE] Oh. I was expecting people who actually straight up harassed her by massaging her. Not saying that none of those posts (and the thread) are bad (holy shit people are terrible lmao) but it isn't the harassment I thought it was.

[QUOTE=Beetle179;51984232][url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1557163]here you go mate[/url] literally first page[/QUOTE] saying mean shit about someone on a forum they dont visit isn't harassment, full stop. You could describe those post as many other things including ignorant, presumptive and rude but im trying not to flame those posters.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51984225]I hope no one doesn't use this opportunity to deflect the issue of harassment because Bioware might be lying. Not saying you are, but I seriously hope this thread actually focuses on the news story. [/QUOTE] Regardless if she and/or Bioware are lying or not, she doesn't deserve the rape and death threats she has been getting. This should be obvious, no doubt.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51984254]Having multiple users wonder if she had to blow someone for a job offer isn't exactly friendly conversation.[/QUOTE] I never said it was a friendly conversation, I said it wasn't harassment. Also, multiple users is generous. As far as I can see it was two posts from two users.

[QUOTE=Fangz;51984163][...] No one deserves to be harassed, but it is [url=https://archive.is/6Oii3]pretty clear that someone is lying here, since she listed her self previously as the Lead Facial Animator for Mass Effect: Andromeda[/url]. [...][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mattk50;51984211]Either she's lying about her own position and therefore baiting on purpose or bioware is lying. [...][/QUOTE] In the game credits she's listed under EA Central Team, The Capture Lab. It's fairly far into it and just one in a list of names. If she had a lead position of any kind, it's not an important one and apparently not in the main studio that made the game. I'd also caution that there are other reasons than baiting due to which someone may be overstating their contribution to something.

[QUOTE=Beetle179;51984210]I mean... They do. That's the story here.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dr.C;51984216]Gamers including people on this forum DID harass that woman. You can go see the thread yourself, it's probably not even on the second page yet.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pascall;51984220]That's exactly what happened here though ?? ?[/QUOTE] I think you missed the point. I'm not saying that they aren't gamers, I'm saying that the media is running the whole "those evil gamers" thing to get attention, same with the whole gamergate crap. With that in mind it was a horrible blogpost that started this.

The animations are probably a failure of management but I don't see anyone attacking the director over this

Yeah I knew where this was going the moment we had blog posts compiling neat little lists of her social media profiles being passed around. I wish people would stop with the whole "yeh but lets keep digging because something doesn't add up!" stuff. Even if bioware was lying to protect this person, can you blame them?. Even assuming that the original story was true, does this person really deserve years of harassment for their alleged work on a video game?

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51984259]Thats kind of fucked but its not harassment.[/QUOTE] It doesn't have to be harassment to be completely unnecessary and stupid.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;51984285]Yeah I knew where this was going the moment we had blog posts compiling neat little lists of her social media profiles being passed around. I wish people would stop with the whole "yeh but lets keep digging because something doesn't add up!" stuff. Even if bioware was lying to protect this person, can you blame them?. Even assuming that the original story was true, does this person really deserve years of harassment for their alleged work on a video game?[/QUOTE] They never should have been "hunting down" the person "responsible" in the first place.

[QUOTE=rider695;51984261]Exactly? So me and everyone else who isn't crazy enough to go on the witch hunt but like video games gets to take the fall as being part of "gamers". The media should stop piling everyone who plays video games on the "women hating gamers" pile and be less broad. The same way we don't say everyone muslim is a terrorist.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't really go about comparing muslims to gamers.

[QUOTE=jiggu;51984276]I think you missed the point. I'm not saying that they aren't gamers, I'm saying that the media is running the whole "those evil gamers" thing to get attention, same with the whole gamergate crap.[/QUOTE] How should they have told this story then?

[QUOTE=Pascall;51984291]It doesn't have to be harassment to be completely unnecessary and stupid.[/QUOTE] Okay But that is not what was being argued.

[QUOTE=rider695;51984261]The media should stop piling everyone who plays video games on the "women hating gamers" pile and be less broad. The same way we don't say everyone muslim is a terrorist.[/QUOTE] Mhm mhm yeah how are the two comparable in any way

[QUOTE=Thlis;51984299]Okay But that is not what was being argued.[/QUOTE] She is being harassed though. The mention of a few FP members being involved doesn't really matter beyond someone's attempt at implicating members of this community. But she is being harassed, regardless, by other people in other places. It's happening. I don't know why there's any argument at all lol.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51984283]The animations are probably a failure of management but I don't see anyone attacking the director over this[/QUOTE] Right? Shouldn't the director be the one to okay any submissions for the project?