Canada: Man given $149 ticket for singing 90s dance song while driving - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]A St-Laurent man’s love of music is proving costly after he said he was given a $149 ticket for singing ‘Everybody Dance Now’ while driving. On Sept. 27, Taoufik Moalla was on his way to get a bottle of water from Provigo. He was headed down St. Croix when he heard a police siren behind him. “I was thinking they wanted to pass, but they called on the speaker ‘Please go to the right side,’” said Moalla. “I stopped and four police came, two on each side, and checked the inside of the car. Then they asked me if I screamed. I said no, I was just singing.” Police checked his license and registration and came back with the ticket for screaming in his car. “I don’t know if my voice was very bad and that’s why I got the ticket,” he said. “But I was very shocked. I understand if they are doing their job, they are allowed to check if everything’s okay, if I kidnapped someone or if there’s danger inside but I would never expect they would give me a ticket for that.”[/quote] [url]http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/man-given-149-ticket-for-singing-90s-dance-song-while-driving-1.3643520[/url]

[quote]As for his wife, she isn’t surprised that her husband’s vocal abilities ended up in a fine. “She told me, if it was for singing, I’d have given you a ticket for $300,” he said. [/quote] :zing:

Dumbass reason to give a man a ticket.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52810929]Dumbass reason to give a man a ticket.[/QUOTE] They love giving tickets here in Canada. I swear we would go bankrupt if cops stopped handing them out like candy.

[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;52810960]They love giving tickets here in Canada. I swear we would go bankrupt if cops stopped handing them out like candy.[/QUOTE] Do people actually have to pay them? Because, quite frankly, if I was given a ticket for something like this I'd be tearing it up and scattering it in the ashtray.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52810981]Do people actually have to pay them? Because, quite frankly, if I was given a ticket for something like this I'd be tearing it up and scattering it in the ashtray.[/QUOTE] Could probably bring it to whatever local court it's been addressed to, and have it be stricken off the record.

How is it even illegal to scream in a car, like what happens if theres a spider and you have a fear of spiders, do you get a fine because it shocked you? Cops must be -real- bored

[QUOTE=archival;52811053]How is it even illegal to scream in a car, like what happens if theres a spider and you have a fear of spiders, do you get a fine because it shocked you? Cops must be -real- bored[/QUOTE] I looked it up, he was given a ticket because [QUOTE]According to a Montreal bylaw, “to cause disorder by screaming” violates “peace and tranquility” and can be punishable by a fine of $50 to $1,000 for a first offence and $100 to $2,000 for subsequent infractions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=aydin690;52811271]I looked it up, he was given a ticket because[/QUOTE] I suppose that might make sense, given that the last thing you want in a stressful and dangerous activity like driving is distress and disorder. Though I have to wonder just how much you would really notice or even care about something like this happening in the moment if you were another driver just focusing on the road

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52810981]Do people actually have to pay them? Because, quite frankly, if I was given a ticket for something like this I'd be tearing it up and scattering it in the ashtray.[/QUOTE] That sounds like a good way to get a warrant or court summons. Which fines you even more lol.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52810981]Do people actually have to pay them? Because, quite frankly, if I was given a ticket for something like this I'd be tearing it up and scattering it in the ashtray.[/QUOTE] Do you honestly think that just tearing up the ticket suddenly means you don't have to pay it? How do you think tickets work?

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52810981]Do people actually have to pay them? Because, quite frankly, if I was given a ticket for something like this I'd be tearing it up and scattering it in the ashtray.[/QUOTE] No, you wouldn't.

i fully understand their rational, he could have attracted a moose with those horrible pipes.

Wow. There's a reason people are paranoid and say we live in a police state, and this is why. Hope he can get it thrown out..

I guess I should be careful singing with my death metal these days.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52812127]Do you honestly think that just tearing up the ticket suddenly means you don't have to pay it? How do you think tickets work?[/QUOTE] It used to here, actually. :v: We used to have cameras at all our major lights, and if you ran them or got caught speeding. They'd send it to you in the mail. Just about everyone ripped them up and tossed them in the garbage. Then claim they never received it past that, there was no way to actually tell if the person got it or not. Or if they actually went in, everyone contested that it wasn't them, because 90% of the time, you couldn't see the driver, just the plates on the car. They stopped the program within a year.

[QUOTE=gufu;52811021]Could probably bring it to whatever local court it's been addressed to, and have it be stricken off the record.[/QUOTE] Then you'd have to pay the $185 court fee.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;52812385]It used to here, actually. :v: We used to have cameras at all our major lights, and if you ran them or got caught speeding. They'd send it to you in the mail. Just about everyone ripped them up and tossed them in the garbage. Then claim they never received it past that, there was no way to actually tell if the person got it or not. Or if they actually went in, everyone contested that it wasn't them, because 90% of the time, you couldn't see the driver, just the plates on the car. They stopped the program within a year.[/QUOTE] That doesn't quite work with a normal ticket. But, one of my teachers in middleschool had his wifes car registered in his name, and his car registered in hers. That way if they ran a light or got hit by a speed camera they could claim that it wasn't the registered person driving the vehicle.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;52812385]It used to here, actually. :v: We used to have cameras at all our major lights, and if you ran them or got caught speeding. They'd send it to you in the mail. Just about everyone ripped them up and tossed them in the garbage. Then claim they never received it past that, there was no way to actually tell if the person got it or not. Or if they actually went in, everyone contested that it wasn't them, because 90% of the time, you couldn't see the driver, just the plates on the car. They stopped the program within a year.[/QUOTE] Speeding and red-light cameras got removed from my area for the exact same reasons lol. They can't prove that you received the citation in the mail as it could've gotten lost :v:

For reference, Montreal has a lot of stupid fucking bylaws

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;52812385]It used to here, actually. :v: We used to have cameras at all our major lights, and if you ran them or got caught speeding. They'd send it to you in the mail. Just about everyone ripped them up and tossed them in the garbage. Then claim they never received it past that, there was no way to actually tell if the person got it or not. Or if they actually went in, everyone contested that it wasn't them, because 90% of the time, you couldn't see the driver, just the plates on the car. They stopped the program within a year.[/QUOTE] And to think that if they only used tracked post it'd be a sure fire way to prove someone received something..

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52812477]And to think that if they only used tracked post it'd be a sure fire way to prove someone received something..[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. Someone could snag your mail right out of your mailbox, someone could break open your P.O. Box, someone could beat up your mailman and steal your mail from his post bag, and so on. It's too much effort (and money) for them to prove you actually received a piece of paper in the mail.

[QUOTE=Kahgarak;52812271]No, you wouldn't.[/QUOTE] I'd contest it in the court at least, pretty dumb reason to be ticketing someone.

[QUOTE=Zeos;52812419]For reference, Montreal has a lot of stupid fucking bylaws[/QUOTE] Lots of places have stupid laws. Apparantley, here in New Mexico, if you're released from prison and you request a horse and a gun, they HAVE to give them to you. I've even heard that someone actually pulled through with it, too. :v:

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52812402]Then you'd have to pay the $185 court fee.[/QUOTE] I guess I meant discussion with the department, not a court case.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52812507]Not necessarily. Someone could snag your mail right out of your mailbox, someone could break open your P.O. Box, someone could beat up your mailman and steal your mail from his post bag, and so on. It's too much effort (and money) for them to prove you actually received a piece of paper in the mail.[/QUOTE] Stealing mail is a felony offense in a first world country. Im sure such a serious thing would be taken very seriously by the courts.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52810981]Do people actually have to pay them? Because, quite frankly, if I was given a ticket for something like this I'd be tearing it up and scattering it in the ashtray.[/QUOTE] Lmao and make an already petty dispute even pettier? Just take it to court, don't just let yourself get a warrant because you want to be edgy [editline]23rd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zero-Point;52812539]Lots of places have stupid laws. Apparantley, here in New Mexico, if you're released from prison and you request a horse and a gun, they HAVE to give them to you. I've even heard that someone actually pulled through with it, too. :v:[/QUOTE] That's Calgary IIRC

[QUOTE=Quark:;52812507]Not necessarily. Someone could snag your mail right out of your mailbox, someone could break open your P.O. Box, someone could beat up your mailman and steal your mail from his post bag, and so on. It's too much effort (and money) for them to prove you actually received a piece of paper in the mail.[/QUOTE] You do realise that in most places theft of mail is a very serious(felony) offense right? Rest assured that the courts take claims of mail theft very seriously. There isn't "too much effort" to prove you received something. It's literally as simple as a package that comes with a signature. You ever ordered something and it required a signature when you received it?

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52812673]You do realise that in most places theft of mail is a very serious(felony) offense right? Rest assured that the courts take claims of mail theft very seriously. There isn't "too much effort" to prove you received something. It's literally as simple as a package that comes with a signature. You ever ordered something and it required a signature when you received it?[/QUOTE] Yes, I'm aware stealing someone's mail is a felony. The point is that if you receive a citation in the mail and shred it, there's no proof that you received it, as someone could have stolen your mail or it could have gotten lost in transit. That's why they don't (typically) send citations in the mail - there's no way to prove it ever got to you. You aren't required to sign to receive a citation, because it goes in your mailbox, it isn't delivered to you in person in a box by a USPS worker demanding a signature. :overyourhead:

No shit they don't require a signature to receive it? Where did I say that it did? I said that it could, as in, that's a solution to the problem. Literally the entire point of the posts I've made in this thread? :overyourhead: Also since when did ignorance of the law excuse you breaking said law? The only thing that you "not receiving" the citation should do is prompt them giving you more time to pay said citation out of good will that you're not a lying scumbag. Having it thrown out because you "didn't receive it" is dumb. Same as not having to pay the ticket because they can't prove you were the one driving the car with plates registered to you. Maybe don't let people drive your car if you're not willing to pay for their stupidity? It's your car, registered in your name. Either the car or plates are stolen and guess what? That's also a crime of severity enough to get a ticket thrown out of court, unless you're retarded and don't report your expensive property as stolen? I didn't know that I had to pay my utility bills, I never received the notice in the mail! It's so unfair that they shut off my utilities and took me to collections for not paying my bills! Anyway, it's kinda stupid this guy got a $150 ticket for singing in his car when there's people doing far more dangerous and stupid shit that actively causes an actual disturbance to others on the road. Maybe a warning and "please don't scream in your car if it can be avoided in the future." is more fitting I'd think.