Active shooter has taken hostages at largest veterans’ home in U.S. - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]An active shooter has taken hostages at the nation's largest retirement home for veterans, according to law enforcement and emergency response personnel.Napa County Fire Captain Chase Beckman told the [URL="https://twitter.com/AP/status/972193281475055618"]Associated Press[/URL] that a gunman has taken hostages at the Veterans Home of California in Yountville, less than 10 miles north of Napa. It’s the largest veterans home in the U.S., with about 1,000 aged or disabled veterans, according to the [URL="https://www.calvet.ca.gov/VetHomes/pages/yountville.aspx"]California Department of Veterans Affairs.[/URL] The home is on lockdown. California Highway Patrol, which is responding to the situation, confirmed to VICE News that an active shooter situation was underway, and the retirement home told [URL="http://abc7news.com/yountville-officials-respond-to-report-of-active-shooting-situation-at-veterans-home/3194836/"]ABC[/URL] that three hostages are being held. Video of the situation taken by Bay Area outlet KTVU reporter Mark Ibanez showed police and emergency vehicles outside the home. [/QUOTE] [url]https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/qveyvm/active-shooter-takes-hostages-at-yountville-veterans-retirement-home-in-california?utm_source=vicenewsfb[/url] News is developing.

Being stated the guy is decked in full black clothing with combat vest, and automatic weapon. He is also taking hostages in the section for Gulf War vets. No reports on deaths or injuries yet.

Calling it an active shooter and not a hostage situation when it hasn't been confirmed that he's shot anyone is kinda shitty.

[QUOTE=Crimor;53190437]Calling it an active shooter and not a hostage situation when it hasn't been confirmed that he's shot anyone is kinda shitty.[/QUOTE] There's reports that shots have been fired. So might as well in this case.

As if we needed any more of this shit. God dammit.

[QUOTE=Crimor;53190437]Calling it an active shooter and not a hostage situation when it hasn't been confirmed that he's shot anyone is kinda shitty.[/QUOTE] Yeah active shooter is officially described as [I]"an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area"[/I] by the Department of Homeland Security. It's also a key difference for law enforcement since police are now being trained to storm the building immediately when responding to an active shooter, while on the other hand haphazardly storming the building is the last thing you want to do when it's a hostage situation.

why a fucking vets home?

[media]https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/972223904554016768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/media] Please let this remain the case.

Oh come on! At least let the heroes of their time live their years in peace!

Last thing America needs is another massacre. Hopefully this strays away from it. But good fucking lord the shitstorm that'll come from it being in a Veteran's retirement home.

[media]https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/972233665731162112[/media] Thank god. Hopefully this can end peacefully.

Please please please let them be okay. So tired of these shootings man. [editline]9th March 2018[/editline] [media]https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/972241340971954176[/media]

I wonder what exactly the gunman wants out of this.

[media]https://twitter.com/lrbrinkley/status/972302471031746560[/media] This is so fucking weird [editline]9th March 2018[/editline] Apparently they haven't had any contact with the gunman since 10:30 this morning (9 hours have passed since then)

All three hostages and the gunman were found dead. [editline]9th March 2018[/editline] I literally just saw it on my local news a few minutes ago [media]https://twitter.com/CristinaKTVU/status/972317904162111488[/media]

There was something personal about this. The gunman picked Gulf War vets in particular, and let everyone but 3 go. Something happened to this person during the Gulf War, probably involving those 3.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;53191207]There was something personal about this. The gunman picked Gulf War vets in particular, and let everyone but 3 go. Something happened to this person during the Gulf War, probably involving those 3.[/QUOTE] You know units don't just all go to the same homes right? That people live in different places? It's likely that none of these people knew each other or only barely knew of each other before hand

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;53191207]There was something personal about this. The gunman picked Gulf War vets in particular, and let everyone but 3 go. Something happened to this person during the Gulf War, probably involving those 3.[/QUOTE] If the gunman killed himself, unless he left a note there's no way for sure to know exactly why he targeted those three specific individuals. But if I were to guess, since it's a home for vets, and homes (for any older people at all) are often known for not exactly being the nicest places or hiring the nicest people, that there was animosity towards some of the staff? Can't say for sure but that's the most likely case I can think of given what we DO know, but again, this is an attempts to guess the motives of a dead man, so nothing I say is concrete at all.

The gunman was in a home treatment program at the facility and was asked to leave earlier this week. [URL]http://abc7.com/gunman-3-hostages-dead-in-napa-county-veterans-home/3194970/[/URL] [QUOTE]The day-long hostage situation, which started around 10:30 a.m. at the Veterans Home of California-Yountville ended Friday evening with the gunman killing three female hostages. The suspect is also dead. Chief Chris Childs said officers entered the room where the hostages were being held around 6 p.m. He said they were all found dead inside a room in the veterans home. Yountville officials confirm that the three female hostages were employees of the nonprofit organization Pathway Home treatment program, which is housed on the campus of the Veterans Home of California-Yountville. They were identified as Executive Director Christine Loeber, therapist Dr. Jen Golick and Dr. Jennifer Gonzales, a psychologist with the San Francisco Department of Veterans Affairs Healthcare System. Law enforcement have identified the suspect but have not released his name.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The gunman, he said, was a veteran in the program and was being treated for PTSD. He had been asked to leave the program earlier this week, Dodd said, noting the facility has rules and regulations to stay in the program. Thousands of vets are trying to get into this program, he said. Larry Kamer told sister station ABC7 News that his wife and six other women were attending a going away party for a colleague when the suspect broke in with a rifle. The gunman, Kamer said, let four of the women go, including his wife.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;53191207]There was something personal about this. The gunman picked Gulf War vets in particular, and let everyone but 3 go. Something happened to this person during the Gulf War, probably involving those 3.[/QUOTE] That's an interesting plot for a whodunit but since he let all the vets go and the three he kept (and killed) were employees, I don't think so.

I feel somewhat disturbed to think of "Glad it wasn't more..." Sorta happens when mass shootings are becoming more common as our Mental health/Gun crisis continues to spiral out of control.

[QUOTE]The gunman, he said, was a veteran in the program and was being treated for PTSD. He had been asked to leave the program earlier this week, Dodd said, noting the facility has rules and regulations to stay in the program.[/QUOTE] Another case of someone for some reason not getting the help they need, and innocent people being harmed as a result. Nobody gives a shit until it's too late and someone is already fucking dead.

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;53191404]The gunman was in a home treatment program at the facility and was asked to leave earlier this week. [URL]http://abc7.com/gunman-3-hostages-dead-in-napa-county-veterans-home/3194970/[/URL][/QUOTE] I fucking hate it when I'm right. :disappoint:

[URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/09/gunman-hostages-yountville-california-veterans-home/411547002/"]Gunman and three hostages are dead[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bertie;53191492]That's an interesting plot for a whodunit but since he let all the vets go and the three he kept (and killed) were employees, I don't think so.[/QUOTE] Didn't realize they were employees. Him having been in a program there and getting kicked out kind of explains that then.

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;53191524]Another case of someone for some reason not getting the help they need, and innocent people being harmed as a result. Nobody gives a shit until it's too late and someone is already fucking dead.[/QUOTE] At the same time if you tell someone they can't do something or theyll be kicked out and they continue to do it, what do you do? Can't always force help on people, unfortunately

[QUOTE=Kylel999;53192042]At the same time if you tell someone they can't do something or theyll be kicked out and they continue to do it, what do you do? Can't always force help on people, unfortunately[/QUOTE] I'm not sure any info about how or why he was kicked was released but if it was serious enough to get him kicked out of a PTSD help program then why did this man still have access to [B][I][U]ANY[/U][/I][/B] firearms?

I'm no psychologist. But, I have a theory. This man was likely isolating himself, he probably only opened up to these women. Perhaps he tried to make advances on these women, and was subsequently kicked out because he made them feel a bit unsafe. This would explain why he let everyone else go, and forced these three women to stay. This was personal, planned. Armor and spare ammunition. He knew what he was gunning for. Fella was an expert marksman, likely he'd killed a lot of dudes before this. He probably bared his soul to these people, and the rejection just broke him. Sad this had to happen, but this is but one scenario I can think of. PTSD can really warp reality, and he probably just wanted someone to feel normal with. Probably pushed too far, and went out of bounds. But what do I know, I wasn't there. EDIT: I agree this is a stupid post. I have no idea why I romanticized this tragedy. Guess I just wanted to find an explanation for the actions I know he did, but for all I know he chose randomly. Wearing tactical gear. Letting everyone else go, on the night of a party where he likely knew these people would be there. One is a psychologist, and two were leaders at the facility. Dunno, guess it just triggered something in my head to link these occurrences. To be human is to be fallible. Humans like creating patterns where there probably aren't. The last thing I want to do is spread misinformation. I'm sorry.

Either that or it was desperation over being turfed out of a support program you're reliant on without any alternatives. It's pure speculation at this point, given the guy's dead.

[QUOTE=Matlas;53192207]I'm no psychologist. But, I have a theory. This man was likely isolating himself, he probably only opened up to these women. Perhaps he tried to make advances on these women, and was subsequently kicked out because he made them feel a bit unsafe. This would explain why he let everyone else go, and forced these three women to stay. This was personal, planned. Armor and spare ammunition. He knew what he was gunning for. Fella was an expert marksman, likely he'd killed a lot of dudes before this. He probably bared his soul to these people, and the rejection just broke him. Sad this had to happen, but this is but one scenario I can think of. PTSD can really warp reality, and he probably just wanted someone to feel normal with. Probably pushed too far, and went out of bounds. But what do I know, I wasn't there.[/QUOTE] Or that didn't happen Let's not just invent stories about this