Sexual assault suspect has history of illegal entry into US - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]http://koin.com/2017/07/26/docs-irving-attack-suspect-deported-numerous-times/[/url] [url]http://www.kgw.com/news/woman-65-in-ne-portland-reports-sex-assault-break-in-and-car-burglary/459231264[/url] From KOIN [QUOTE]PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) – The man accused of violently attacking two women•on Monday has a long history of being deported to Mexico and then illegally entering the United States, according to court records.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Police say Martinez physically and sexually attacked a 65-year-old woman in the 1700 block of NE Irving Street and•then stole her car.•As police were investigating that attack, officers responded to the area of Northeast 21st Avenue and Halsey Street Monday night on reports that a man, armed with a knife, had attacked a woman. Police responded to the scene and began looking for Martinez, who fled the area. A foot chase ensued and officers tell us that Martinez ran through the neighborhood and several homes before capturing him in a neighborhood apartment.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“[B]Defendant has entry/removal from United States to/from Mexico 20 times with at least 5 probation violations from re-entry[/B],” according to court documents filed in March 2017.[/QUOTE] From KGW [QUOTE]Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) lodged an immigration detainer•against Martinez, asking authorities to notify them before releasing Martinez to allow ICE to take him into custody. The Department of Homeland Security said a detainer•was requested for Martinez in December 2016, but he was released into the community and authorities did not notify ICE.[/QUOTE] Ted Wheeler can shove his sanctuary city bullshit right back up his own ass. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Editorialized Title" - Mezzokoko))[/highlight]

I think the better question is, why is our prison system failing to rehabilitate prisoners at all and failing to verify if they are rehabilitated before they are released? This guy had been in prison for violent crimes and felonies and the court knew he had an ongoing meth addiction, clearly we can see he was not ready to be released on the streets of the US or Mexico. Deportation or not is not really an issue

[QUOTE=cis.joshb;52544141]I think the better question is, why is our prison system failing to rehabilitate prisoners at all and failing to verify if they are rehabilitated before they are released? This guy had been in prison for violent crimes and felonies and the court knew he had an ongoing meth addiction, clearly we can see he was not ready to be released on the streets of the US or Mexico. Deportation or not is not really an issue[/QUOTE] If he had been turned over these women wouldn't have been raped and assaulted.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544146]If he had been turned over these women wouldn't have been raped and assaulted.[/QUOTE] Way to ignore the entire point about the prison system being about rehabilitation, not merely gang boarding school. Just keep blowing those dog whistles.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52544149]Way to ignore the entire point about the prison system being about rehabilitation, not merely gang boarding school. Just keep blowing those dog whistles.[/QUOTE] I don't want a penny of my tax dollars being wasted this on [B]illegal alien[/B] who obviously has no regard for our rule of law. He doesn't deserve to have our tax dollars being spent on his "rehabilitation" in a tax funded prison with tax funded research.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544146]If he had been turned over these women wouldn't have been raped and assaulted.[/QUOTE] He came back 20 fucking times, deporting him very clearly wasn't working. I feel like if you come back 3 times, maybe you should just go to jail.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52544161]He came back 20 fucking times, deporting him very clearly wasn't working. I feel like if you come back 3 times, maybe you should just go to jail.[/QUOTE] Or maybe do something about the border?

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544162]Or maybe do something about the border?[/QUOTE] What do you propose?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52544166]What do you propose?[/QUOTE] I think we need a bigger wall.

[QUOTE=helifreak;52544168]I think we need a bigger wall.[/QUOTE] The hugest wall! To space!

I sure that wall can [URL="http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/"]block airplanes[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544159]I don't want a penny of my tax dollars being wasted this on [B]illegal alien[/B] who obviously has no regard for our rule of law. He doesn't deserve to have our tax dollars being spent on his "rehabilitation" in a tax funded prison with tax funded research.[/QUOTE] It seems like you came here looking to post this to push an agenda. Especially considering you posted two local sources, each with different headlines than the thread title and then vigorously promoting the dangerous immigrant narrative.

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;52544191]Because clearly deporting someone stops crimes, as it did in this case. Lol step up you xenophobic agenda pusher.[/QUOTE] You think I'm a xenophobe because of this? You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, is it really that hard to believe that a lot of people (obviously not many people here) are pissed off at illegals like this who come to our country and commit crimes and then get to spend *insert # of years here* in a prison that [I]we[/I] are paying for? Is that not [I]absurd[/I]?

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544162]Or maybe do something about the border?[/QUOTE] [I]"I don't want a penny of my tax dollars being wasted this on illegal alien who obviously has no regard for our rule of law. I just want a [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-wall-exclusive-idUSKBN15O2ZN]$21.6 billion wall[/url] so he can't come back!"[/I] For reference, an aircraft carrier costs about $10 billion. I think money isn't what you're concerned about.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544201]You think I'm a xenophobe because of this? You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, is it really that hard to believe that a lot of people (obviously not many people here) are pissed off at illegals like this who come to our country and commit crimes and then get to spend *insert # of years here* in a prison that [I]we[/I] are paying for? Is that not [I]absurd[/I]?[/QUOTE] How about you answer this question before you grab more dog whistles: [QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544162]Or maybe do something about the border?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52544166]What do you propose?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52544204]How about you answer this question before you grab more dog whistles:[/QUOTE] I doubt there will be a wall and I don't know what to do about it that's why I asked the question.

So, you don't have any answers on what to do, you're just angry and you want deportations to increase with no plan on how to follow it up to prevent people from just sneaking back across the border dozens of times like this dude. Ok, at least you're up front about it. It took Trump over a year to admit that that's as far as his plan to beat ISIS went.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544201]You think I'm a xenophobe because of this? You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, is it really that hard to believe that a lot of people (obviously not many people here) are pissed off at illegals like this who come to our country and commit crimes and then get to spend *insert # of years here* in a prison that [I]we[/I] are paying for? Is that not [I]absurd[/I]?[/QUOTE] If it A) Spends less taxpayer money than would be used on ineffective border security measures and B) Creates productive individuals, more likely to contribute than to take yet more taxpayer money through repeated offenses, it's not really that absurd

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544201]You think I'm a xenophobe because of this? You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, is it really that hard to believe that a lot of people (obviously not many people here) are pissed off at illegals like this who come to our country and commit crimes and then get to spend *insert # of years here* in a prison that [I]we[/I] are paying for? Is that not [I]absurd[/I]?[/QUOTE] You and many others are way too hung up on the idea that [i]if only he hadn't been let back in it wouldn't have happened.[/i] A person crossing a border does not cause a violent crime to be committed. If the crime bothers you this tiny link in the chain is not where you should be putting your resources.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544207]I doubt there will be a wall and I don't know what to do about it that's why I asked the question.[/QUOTE] [quote]20 time deportee rapes 65 year old woman and assaults another after released in [B]sanctuary city[/B][/quote] Why ask when you already answered in the headline you made yourself? Intellectual dishonesty doesn't serve any cause for long. You have to switch to a higher-pitched dog whistle, I've trained myself to hear the usual ones.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544120]Ted Wheeler can shove his sanctuary city bullshit right back up his own ass.[/QUOTE] You know when I see a thread title like this one, I wonder to myself before entering, "is the user posting this for a reason or is it just a news article?" I really like when the question is answered immediately.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52544295]Is rehabilitation always possible?[/QUOTE] Almost always. Looking at the best case, Norway has an incarceration rate of .075% and a recidivism rate of just 20%. [editline]oh hamburgers[/editline] Fucked up the recidivism rate

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52544303]That's actually really interesting. Does that source state the recidivism for just violent offenders?[/QUOTE] [del]You can read more here for Norway: [url]http://www.prisonstudies.org/country/norway[/url] And here for USA: [url]http://www.prisonstudies.org/country/united-states-america[/url][/del] oops, my bad. this doesn't have information for recidivism but it's still interesting

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52544303]That's actually really interesting. Does that source state the recidivism for just violent offenders?[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.salve.edu/sites/default/files/filesfield/documents/Incarceration_and_Recidivism.pdf]It does not[/url], unfortunately. But I can't imagine Norway haven't a large amount of violent offenders with a [url=http://www.prisonstudies.org/country/norway]prison population as low as 4,000[/url].

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544201]You think I'm a xenophobe because of this? You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, is it really that hard to believe that a lot of people (obviously not many people here) are pissed off at illegals like this who come to our country and commit crimes and then get to spend *insert # of years here* in a prison that [I]we[/I] are paying for? Is that not [I]absurd[/I]?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say you're outright xenophobic, but it's pretty damn obvious that you're pushing an agenda. This part in particular is pretty much a dead give away. [QUOTE]Ted Wheeler can shove his sanctuary city bullshit right back up his own ass.[/QUOTE] I mean Sanctuary cities can be a problem when it comes to violent offenders getting released and I will admit I take issue with that, but they shouldn't really be at fault on this one. The man has been deported 20 fucking times, apparently has numerous mental issues, abuses drugs and alcohol, has been jailed in both California and Oregon numerous times, had 5 probation violations, had a criminal record including battery, theft, and burglary, and had 9 failure to appear warrants since 1986. The fact is this man should've been imprisoned a long ass time ago, and given that he has been deported 20 times and keeps coming back, it's pretty obvious at this point that Mexico is going to do jack shit about him. Additionally if you actually gave a shit about your tax dollars (which I'm kind of doubting), one would think that you would take issue with all the people imprisoned for non-violent petty drug offenses and the whole bag of shit that comes with that, instead of the taking issue with imprisoning a man who has broken the law time and time again, and is a danger to others and possibly even himself.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544201]You think I'm a xenophobe because of this? You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, is it really that hard to believe that a lot of people (obviously not many people here) are pissed off at illegals like this who come to our country and commit crimes and then get to spend *insert # of years here* in a prison that [I]we[/I] are paying for? Is that not [I]absurd[/I]?[/QUOTE] 1.) Undocumented immigrants are some of the most law abiding of citizens. This case is an oddity, not the rule. 2.) Sanctuary cities do not prevent ICE from conducting their jobs, they just don't waste resources detaining people for legally questionable reasons. Local law enforcement has no part in federal CIVIL actions. Police have zero involvement in local civil action and deputies have a very limited role and only enforce the shit that comes out of the county. 3.)Deportation obviously wasn't working. 4.)Undocumented aliens still pay taxes. They generally pay more in taxes than they should. Businesses that hire them need to keep books. Money flow has to go somewhere and in order to avoid an audit, they pay income tax and generally make all the proper deductions from their paycheck. Undocumented aliens, lacking documentation, generally cannot make use of many services that theses tax dollars provide them. They are extremely unlikely to even make use of, or be the target for, law enforcement. Also as a result of their lacking documentation, they can't get any of those taxes returned to them. No tax refund. They pay into the system disproportionately. Deportations are already super fucked up. Immigration court is a disgusting blight on our country.

There's not much of a debate to be has if you're already convinced you have all the answers. The way you presented this makes it readily apparent you're pushing a single viewpoint, one that isn't supported by facts, seeing by how much of an exception to the rule this guy is.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544201]You think I'm a xenophobe because of this? You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, is it really that hard to believe that a lot of people (obviously not many people here) are pissed off at illegals like this who come to our country and commit crimes and then get to spend *insert # of years here* in a prison that [I]we[/I] are paying for? Is that not [I]absurd[/I]?[/QUOTE] Pretty sure an absolutely gigantic majority of crime in the US is entirely domestic just like in any other nation on earth so DEM DAM ILLEGALS stepping in and committing crimes is likely to be an absurdly small fraction of the numbers that should probably not be this high up on the list of shit to take care of. I mean unless your ultimate goal is to make sure every last criminal in the US is born there so when you get mugged and stabbed in an alley you can be proud that it was an All-American mugging

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52544207]I doubt there will be a wall and I don't know what to do about it that's why I asked the question.[/QUOTE] don't worry, Trump is working on the most effective deterrent for immigrants: by making America such an unattractive place to live in that people will just stop trying to move there :eng101s:

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52544219]If it A) Spends less taxpayer money than would be used on ineffective border security measures and B) Creates productive individuals, more likely to contribute than to take yet more taxpayer money through repeated offenses, it's not really that absurd[/QUOTE] Let's be real here, I think it's safe to say our prison system is a joke and one of the last things it does is create productive individuals and helps reduce the average inmates recidivism rate. As biased as I feel the OP's argument may be that's far more credit I'm willing to give our justice system, and the article is a good example of that to an extent. Our legal systems way of tackling these issues and reforming criminals just doesn't work.