American man finds intruder showering at his 2nd property, goes back home to get a gun and kills him - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]Authorities say the homeowner was in his house and went to check on the property next to his when the shooting occurred. Sheriff’s Lieutenant Travis Adams says the man owns both properties and runs a business out of a building on the second property. When the homeowner arrived on the second property, he found a screen off the window and the door kicked in. [B]The homeowner went in and saw the intruder in the shower.[/B] [B]Detectives say the homeowner went back to his home, got a gun and returned to the other house and shot the intruder multiple times.[/B] He was arrested for investigation of second-degree murder.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/homeowner-arrested-after-shooting-intruder-dead-in-the-shower-mason-county-washington/[/url] :terrists: o7

think some people are too excited to actually kill burglars and they forget that it's still illegal to kill people

[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;52057338]think some people are too excited to actually kill burglars and they forget that it's still illegal to kill people[/QUOTE] Most Americans only dream of killing an intruder. I guess they get a little excited when given the chance to make their dreams come true. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting - Keep your stereotypes to yourself next time, it makes you look stupid" - Reagy))[/highlight]

I mean, you already found the guy naked and vulnerable, taking a shower on your property. Way to fucking overreact and add guns to the situation. Homeowner dude better see the long arm of the law, because this is fucked.

[QUOTE=CanUBe;52057342]Most Americans only dream of killing an intruder. I guess they get a little excited when given the chance to make their dreams come true.[/QUOTE] seriously? This is true in the same sense that most Britons dream of being beaten up with a cricket bat by an intruder because it's illegal to defend yourself.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52057346]seriously?[/QUOTE] I mean, it's not unheard of. [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/29/minnesota-man-guilty-murder-teenage-intruders-byron-smith"]Look at this case.[/URL] I'm not saying all of them are this crazy, but to some there does seem to be a small percentage of people who fantasize and will likely act upon the chance to be able to shoot someone if they were given cause to do so and if the law can justify their actions through Castle Doctrine.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52057346]seriously? This is true in the same sense that most Britons dream of being beaten up with a cricket bat by an intruder because it's illegal to defend yourself.[/QUOTE] was anything stopping him from calling cops for example?

-nvm both are still guilty, but the dude needs some serious help-

Somebody showering in your home shouldn't be grounds to shoot them. Right to defend property etc etc but the dude was fucking defensless.

He can point the gun at intruder and tell him to get the hell out instead of shooting him. If only he was smarter,this should not happen.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52057349]I mean, it's not unheard of. [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/29/minnesota-man-guilty-murder-teenage-intruders-byron-smith"]Look at this case.[/URL] I'm not saying all of them are this crazy, but to some there does seem to be a small percentage of people who fantasize and will likely act upon the chance to be able to shoot someone if they were given cause to do so and if the law can justify their actions through Castle Doctrine.[/QUOTE] It's not unheard of but that doesn't mean "Most americans" dream of killing intruders like CanUBe said.

[QUOTE=Megadave;52057369]I mean on one hand you have to be a total dumbass to trespass on someone's property and shower. On the other hand, you don't shoot a literally naked and undefended person. Just get the gun and tell the dude to get the fuck out. Both were in the wrong, but I don't believe he should be charged for murder. You trespass there are consequences, sucks he had to find out this way. Man should probably have his gun confiscated though if he can't think it through this clearly, not that that will stop him from getting another. Point being, both sides are guilty, and someone got killed unfortunately. I wish the situation had gone down a better way.[/QUOTE] It's literally murder though, he saw the guy, didn't shoot out of self defense or anything so that rules out manslaughter, and he pretty much made the decision to kill the guy right there. He even went back home, all the while being able to realize that shooting this person was in no means necessary, but he still went back and killed him. Sure, the trespasser was in the wrong as well, but trying to paint this as anything but murder on the other guy is trying to bend the facts.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52057349]I mean, it's not unheard of. [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/29/minnesota-man-guilty-murder-teenage-intruders-byron-smith"]Look at this case.[/URL] I'm not saying all of them are this crazy, but to some there does seem to be a small percentage of people who fantasize and will likely act upon the chance to be able to shoot someone if they were given cause to do so and if the law can justify their actions through Castle Doctrine.[/QUOTE] Those people exist everywhere you numpty, it isn't exclusive to Americans and it isn't "most Americans"

[QUOTE=Megadave;52057369]I mean on one hand you have to be a total dumbass to trespass on someone's property and shower. On the other hand, you don't shoot a literally naked and undefended person. Just get the gun and tell the dude to get the fuck out. Both were in the wrong, but I don't believe he should be charged for murder. You trespass there are consequences, sucks he had to find out this way. Man should probably have his gun confiscated though if he can't think it through this clearly, not that that will stop him from getting another. Point being, both sides are guilty, and someone got killed unfortunately. I wish the situation had gone down a better way.[/QUOTE] He should've just called the police and that's it. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you should act like a cop. He straight up murdered this guy.

[QUOTE=Megadave;52057369]I mean on one hand you have to be a total dumbass to trespass on someone's property and shower. On the other hand, you don't shoot a literally naked and undefended person. Just get the gun and tell the dude to get the fuck out. Both were in the wrong, but I don't believe he should be charged for murder. You trespass there are consequences, sucks he had to find out this way. Man should probably have his gun confiscated though if he can't think it through this clearly, not that that will stop him from getting another. Point being, both sides are guilty, and someone got killed unfortunately. I wish the situation had gone down a better way.[/QUOTE] No hes absolutely a fucking murderer he was not in danger, he was not threatened, he thought about it and decided to kill him hes literally a murderer.

yeah uh situations like this get into conflict with squatting laws and necessity trespassing laws. It's supposed to be legal to break into an unoccupied home if you're in a survival situation but that kinda conflicts with someone just being allowed to shoot you even if you're clearly posing no threat. it probably didnt happen like that this time, though.

[QUOTE=Megadave;52057369]I mean on one hand you have to be a total dumbass to trespass on someone's property and shower. On the other hand, you don't shoot a literally naked and undefended person. Just get the gun and tell the dude to get the fuck out. Both were in the wrong, but I don't believe he should be charged for murder. You trespass there are consequences, sucks he had to find out this way. Man should probably have his gun confiscated though if he can't think it through this clearly, not that that will stop him from getting another. Point being, both sides are guilty, and someone got killed unfortunately. I wish the situation had gone down a better way.[/QUOTE] He should have called the police. You use a gun when your life is imminently in danger. He separated himself from the intruder, then went out of his way to drive back to his other house and get a gun before returning to shoot him with it. That is murder.

[QUOTE=Megadave;52057369] Both were in the wrong, but I don't believe he should be charged for murder. You trespass there are consequences, sucks he had to find out this way. Man should probably have his gun confiscated though if he can't think it through this clearly, not that that will stop him from getting another.[/QUOTE] The dude was naked and in the shower. How on earth do you justify going back home, grabbing your gun and shooting someone in that situation? Fuck him. That's straight-up murder and he should get definitely get charged with it.

[QUOTE=Megadave;52057369]Both were in the wrong, but I don't believe he should be charged for murder. You trespass there are consequences, sucks he had to find out this way. Man should probably have his gun confiscated though if he can't think it through this clearly, not that that will stop him from getting another.[/QUOTE] Do you believe that people should arbitrarily be not charged with crimes on the grounds that "eh, I mean, it really sucks"? Because this pretty neatly fills out the [URL="https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.32.050"]elements of murder 2[/URL] in that he intentionally caused death. Hell, I'd argue the guy had premeditation and could definitely get murder 1 - case law is pretty clear that even a fleeting moment of premeditation qualifies.

This contrasts in a very strange way with the other story about the old guy who got robbed 12 times, killed one of the burglars and now can barely live with himself. It's strange how one man can have so much empathy, and another just took the opportunity to kill someone for fun

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52057411]The dude was naked and in the shower. How on earth do you justify going back home, grabbing your gun and shooting someone in that situation? Fuck him. That's straight-up murder and he should get definitely get charged with it.[/QUOTE] You ignored everything else I said. I said both were guilty, and he shouldn't have been shot. But I'm not going to waste sympathy on someone who knew the risks. I'm sorry I disagree with you, but that's just the way it is. and with the attitudes the police have towards people it's understandable why he wouldn't call them. I just don't consider it murder, if I break in somewhere I'm going to plan on getting shot, no matter what situation it is. You guys can add emotion to it all you guys want, but the dude still trespassed. Now, I can agree he should be charged for straight up manslaughter, but murder is a bit overkill of a charge. [B]Not that I would complain one bit if he was charged with murder[/B], as it's still a scummy thing to do. [editline]4th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Snowmew;52057416]Do you believe that people should arbitrarily be not charged with crimes on the grounds that "eh, I mean, it really sucks"? Because this pretty neatly fills out the [URL="https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.32.050"]elements of murder 2[/URL] in that he intentionally caused death. Hell, I'd argue the guy had premeditation and could definitely get murder 1 - case law is pretty clear that even a fleeting moment of premeditation qualifies.[/QUOTE] If it fits in the definition for murder, I have no problem with him getting charged for it. It just doesn't seem like murder from my angle, though I can see how easily it can be a murder.

[QUOTE=CanUBe;52057342]Most Americans only dream of killing an intruder. I guess they get a little excited when given the chance to make their dreams come true.[/QUOTE] This type of over generalization should be bannable.

[QUOTE=Hogie bear;52057436]This type of over generalization should be bannable.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly sure what he said is believing in stereotypes going on into something close to racism.

[QUOTE=Megadave;52057369]I mean on one hand you have to be a total dumbass to trespass on someone's property and shower. On the other hand, you don't shoot a literally naked and undefended person. Just get the gun and tell the dude to get the fuck out. Both were in the wrong, but I don't believe he should be charged for murder. You trespass there are consequences, sucks he had to find out this way. Man should probably have his gun confiscated though if he can't think it through this clearly, not that that will stop him from getting another. Point being, both sides are guilty, and someone got killed unfortunately. I wish the situation had gone down a better way.[/QUOTE] i think second degree murder charges are pretty fair about something like this considering the owners life was never threatened and aside from the window there were no real damages to his property At the very least it should be considered voluntary manslaughter

[QUOTE=Hogie bear;52057436]This type of over generalization should be bannable.[/QUOTE] What irritates me more than the post is the number of people agreeing with it, wtf Unreal [editline]4th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=T-hunter;52057444]i think second degree murder charges are pretty fair about something like this considering the owners life was never threatened and aside from the window there were no real damages to his property At the very least it should be considered voluntary manslaughter[/QUOTE] It's murder in the first degree, since it's premeditated. He made up his mind to kill the guy, went out of his way to get the gun and return to where this guy was, who had no idea he was coming, walked in and shot him. The case for premeditation is indisputable. This loon is looking at a long time behind bars.

[QUOTE=Ghost656;52057389]It's not unheard of but that doesn't mean "Most americans" dream of killing intruders like CanUBe said.[/QUOTE] Agreed - as I mentioned, I don't think most Americans legitimately walk around like it's the wild west, drawing and shooting folks if someone looks at them funny. It's just that in this case, there is something to be said about "self defense" being used very conveniently by legitimate crazy people who are indoctrinated by a belief that it's their "free pass" to kill people without consequence, as if the police or law enforcement didn't exist.

[QUOTE=Megadave;52057433]You ignored everything else I said. I said both were guilty, and he shouldn't have been shot. But I'm not going to waste sympathy on someone who knew the risks. I'm sorry I disagree with you, but that's just the way it is. and with the attitudes the police have towards people it's understandable why he wouldn't call them. I just don't consider it murder, if I break in somewhere I'm going to plan on getting shot, no matter what situation it is. You guys can add emotion to it all you guys want, but the dude still trespassed. Now, I can agree he should be charged for straight up manslaughter, but murder is a bit overkill of a charge. [B]Not that I would complain one bit if he was charged with murder[/B], as it's still a scummy thing to do. [editline]4th April 2017[/editline] If it fits in the definition for murder, I have no problem with him getting charged for it. It just doesn't seem like murder from my angle, though I can see how easily it can be a murder.[/QUOTE] He completely fits the description of a murderer.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52057445]It's murder in the first degree, since it's premeditated. He made up his mind to kill the guy, went out of his way to get the gun and return to where this guy was, who had no idea he was coming, walked in and shot him. The case for premeditation is indisputable. This loon is looking at a long time behind bars.[/QUOTE] It's more inline with manslaughter than murder. Murder requires malice aforethought. Heat of the moment (like this case) is manslaughter.

So basically, the dude wanted a shower and was murdered for it? I mean it's incredibly concerning that someone broke into his house and could do who knows what while inside. But he was just showering. There are far more threatening things he could have been doing.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52057482]It's more inline with manslaughter than murder. Murder requires malice aforethought. Heat of the moment (like this case) is manslaughter.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but a well-adjusted, rational individual doesn't decide to kill someone and never change his mind in the process of going all the way to and back from his other house to get the gun to do it with. This was murder. It looks like they only want to charge him with second degree.