Student on hunger strike isn't giving in until professor is gone over sexual harassment allegations - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]Rochester, N.Y. (13WHAM) - Lindsay Wrobel says at midnight Saturday, it will have been three days since she last ate. Wrobel is a University of Rochester student who vowed to not eat until university professor Dr. Florian Jaeger was removed from the faculty. Jaeger is at the center of an EEOC complaint filed against the university. The complaint alleges sexual harassment. "Until Professor Jaeger is removed from the university, there’s going to be no trust among the student body," Wrobel said. Early Saturday afternoon, a concerned caller noticed the toll of the hunger strike on Lindsay and reported her to first responders. Lindsay refused help, but told public safety at the university she'd notify them if she needed hospitalization. "It is painful, it is scary thinking about what comes next. I’ve had nausea. I’ve had headaches, I’ve had muscle aches really bad. Even texting feels like work," Wrobel added. ... As of late Saturday, Dr. Jaeger is still an employee at the university. "I fully intend to do this until I’m hospitalized. I think what’s of primary importance is the students on this campus feeling safe. And as of right now, they don’t, and they won’t until Professor Jaeger is removed," Wrobel said. At a meeting on campus Tuesday, President Joel Seligman announced the university would be hiring an independent investigator to review a sexual harassment complaint filed against Dr. Florian Jaeger. [/quote] [url]http://13wham.com/news/local/three-days-into-hunger-strike-student-isnt-giving-in-until-professor-is-gone[/url] This has started due to Dr. Florian Jaeger's recent [url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/09/11/urs-clearing-prof-accused-sexual-harassment-becomes-focus-faculty-complaint/653466001/]clearing[/url] with the University over the charges.

So what did he do exactly?

I think the main article and the snippet from said article are leaving out some crucial details, the snippet suggests its just one angry student heres a source with more information [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/nyregion/rochester-university-sexual-harassment.html?mcubz=3[/url] I cant copy text directly some i will just paraphrase [QUOTE]... [paragraph 2] Allegations of sexual misconduct have led to the resignation of one founding member and the planned departure of two more.. [paragraph 4] complaints filled a 111 page submission... [paragraph 5] ... The [I]College[/I] found Jaeger innocent, and when several people people questioned the ruling, they faced retaliation [paragraph 16] Jaegers behavior came to light when more rules prohibiting relations between students and professors were suggested to be put in place, something in which Jaeger disagreed with and fought against [/QUOTE] I'll post more later since im busy, but do check out the NYT article

Typical millennial way of getting what they want. As if they were children 'no, I won't eat!' Only a irrationale person goes on a hunger strike. For the left, it'll be seen as martyrdom and a just decision to carry on the protest.

[QUOTE=ZenZill;52693450]Typical millennial way of getting what they want. As if they were children 'no, I won't eat!' Only a irrationale person goes on a hunger strike. For the left, it'll be seen as martyrdom and a just decision to carry on the protest.[/QUOTE] [quote]Mahatma Gandhi was imprisoned in 1922, 1930, 1933 and 1942. Because of Gandhi's stature around the world, British authorities were loath to allow him to die in their custody. It is likely that Britain's reputation would have suffered as a result of such an event. Gandhi engaged in several famous hunger strikes to protest British rule of India. Fasting was a non-violent way of communicating the message and sometimes dramatically achieve the reason for the protest. This was keeping with the rules of Satyagraha. In addition to Gandhi, various others used the hunger strike option during the Indian independence movement. Such figures include Jatin Das (who fasted to death) and Bhagat Singh. It was only on the 116th day of their fast, on October 5, 1929 that Bhagat Singh and Dutt gave up their strike (surpassing the 97-day world record for hunger strikes which was set by an Irish revolutionary). During this hunger strike that lasted 116 days and ended with the British succumbing to his wishes, he gained much popularity among the common Indians. Before the strike his popularity was limited mainly to the Punjab region. After Indian Independence, freedom fighter Potti Sreeramulu used hunger strikes to get a separate state for Telugu-speaking people. Morarji Desai went on fast twice during Nav Nirman in the seventies and prior to that Indulal Yagnik alias Indu Chacha went on a long fast during Maha Gujarat and thereafter in the seventies.[/quote] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_strike#Gandhi_and_Bhagat_Singh[/url] But hunger strikes are only for millenials, right?

-removed this part because Lijitsu said it better- [QUOTE=ZenZill;52693450]Only a irrational person goes on a hunger strike. For the left, it'll be seen as martyrdom and a just decision to carry on the protest.[/QUOTE] I don't know, since I'm one of those "filthy centrist" but I see people on hunger strike as a pretty major thing regardless of political affiliation, since your ignoring one of your bodies main urges to prove a point. Being hungry/starving sucks big time.

Also, I will mention another thing. The "Trial" that happened here was done by the university themselves. For my non-american lads, Universities here often have their own "courts" to handle things like cheating and so on, but for some reason they often handle things like rape cases and actual serious matters. Let me be clear, university courts with these matters are practically kangaroo courts. they are NOT courts of law. If some girl accuses a random guy of rape, the court will just kick the guy out without evidence or without any chance to defend himself (im not joking, some schools actually prevent the guy from even talking in the "court"). That way, the school can end the conflict as fast as possible and minimize bad press. But, if the accused guy was the schools famous football star or something, then the girl could have the whole thing on video tape and a recorded confession, but the school can still choose to ignore it. Again, those sports people rake in a lot of cash, why damage the revenue flow? The court of law in the US may not be perfect but it sure is leagues better than what "university" courts offer. I wouldnt trust a guilty or innocent verdict from them in any scenario, only from an actual police force and an actual court.

[QUOTE=ZenZill;52693450]Typical millennial way of getting what they want. As if they were children 'no, I won't eat!' Only a irrationale person goes on a hunger strike. For the left, it'll be seen as martyrdom and a just decision to carry on the protest.[/QUOTE] So Bobby Sands was a millennial? Gandhi was a millennial? The use of hunger strikes as a form of protest/shame is thousands of years old and the entire point of it is to humiliate someone

Did a LEGAL court declare him innocent?

Even though people hate Betsy Devos, I am still happy she is looking at reviewing title 9. The fact that universities can run kangaroo courts for charges that should be prosecuted under US law is asinine.

[QUOTE=ZenZill;52693450]Typical millennial way of getting what they want. As if they were children 'no, I won't eat!' Only a irrationale person goes on a hunger strike. For the left, it'll be seen as martyrdom and a just decision to carry on the protest.[/QUOTE] [I]damn entitled millenials[/I] [quote]“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.” [/quote] - Commonly attributed to Socrates, or Plato, or even neither but nevertheless a very old quote

[QUOTE=da space core;52693496]Also, I will mention another thing. The "Trial" that happened here was done by the university themselves. For my non-american lads, Universities here often have their own "courts" to handle things like cheating and so on, but for some reason they often handle things like rape cases and actual serious matters. Let me be clear, university courts with these matters are practically kangaroo courts. they are NOT courts of law. If some girl accuses a random guy of rape, the court will just kick the guy out without evidence or without any chance to defend himself (im not joking, some schools actually prevent the guy from even talking in the "court"). That way, the school can end the conflict as fast as possible and minimize bad press. But, if the accused guy was the schools famous football star or something, then the girl could have the whole thing on video tape and a recorded confession, but the school can still choose to ignore it. Again, those sports people rake in a lot of cash, why damage the revenue flow? The court of law in the US may not be perfect but it sure is leagues better than what "university" courts offer. I wouldnt trust a guilty or innocent verdict from them in any scenario, only from an actual police force and an actual court.[/QUOTE] You're kidding You're joking right?

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;52693870]You're kidding You're joking right?[/QUOTE] The issue is being more addressed lately, and the fact that police forces are directly working with some universities also helps, but its still an issue. Look up the Columbia mattress girl incident to see how its still a problem though

How come people protest incidents like these, but fail to follow up on changing University kangaroo court procedures? Like I don't get why there hasn't been a big following on changing how schools handle this kind of incident.

So what is she asking for? Administrative leave until an investigation has concluded? I can respect that. A full firing based on nothing more than allegation, without trial? I can't respect that.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;52693921]How come people protest incidents like these, but fail to follow up on changing University kangaroo court procedures? Like I don't get why there hasn't been a big following on changing how schools handle this kind of incident.[/QUOTE] Really the administration needs to be geared more for helping students get the support they need, and help them to make a report to authorities so that actual investigation can take place.

How about we let an actual court of law decide the matter? If the allegations are false the professor deserves no punitive measure, if they are true, he deserves whatever measure is outlined in the law. Simple as that.

The attempt to force the handling of sexual crime and misconduct into the hands of university staff, who aren't equipped to carry out a proper investigation, aren't equipped to conduct a fair or conclusive trial, and aren't held to any real standard of accountability has to have been one of the most irritating political missteps of the last few years. You could make the argument as to how well police handle such crimes, but thinking that the [i]education staff[/i] are a better fit is laughable, and as many likely predicted has resulted in pissed off people on all ends up the spectrum.

If these allegations are true, hopefully Dr. Jaegar receives the proper punishment. Behavior this unprofessional is one of the few ways to terminate a tenured professor. However, it's entirely possible that Dr. Jaegar could be found guilty and retain his job. I cannot say that such cases are commonplace, however, I can say that they do occur. In particular, I know of a professor who was able to work till retirement even though he had a complaint filed with 20+ women reporting him for inappropriate behavior. He was the professor for a PhD class on therapy, which had a lot of one on one sessions. During those sessions he would constantly say the females looked stressed and such and needed a massage, continuing even if the females rejected him. The women felt that their grades were in danger if they continually denied him. Some of his "techniques" included rubbing orange slices between their toes. It was an awful and uncomfortable experience for them; they even had to use the president of the student association to submit the complaint since they felt that had to remain anon till their testimony was needed. I can't imagine how awkward it was to see him still working there, even though he was found guilty. Hopefully, the proper authorities will handle Dr. Jaegar's reinvestigation.

So..... crazy girl doesnt eat and this changes what exactly? i still get to eat right? ok, carry on then. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply?" - Novangel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;52693870]You're kidding You're joking right?[/QUOTE] No, he's not kidding, and it gets even worse. The Obama administration forced those kangaroo courts to work off of the lowest standard of evidence called the "preponderance of evidence." This means that the person responsible for deciding the case only needs 51% certainty to convict. If universities didn't obey they had the risk of losing federal funding.

[QUOTE=ZenZill;52693450]Typical millennial way of getting what they want. As if they were children 'no, I won't eat!' Only a irrationale person goes on a hunger strike. For the left, it'll be seen as martyrdom and a just decision to carry on the protest.[/QUOTE] If we're stupidly and pointlessly generalizing people then I'd bet you're a poorly educated southerner over the age of 35-40, since you clearly don't know about the numerous hunger strikes across history, are right-wing in the U.S., and are complaining about millenials. [editline]a[/editline] [QUOTE=H8Entitlement;52694833]So..... crazy girl doesnt eat and this changes what exactly? i still get to eat right? ok, carry on then.[/QUOTE] It's almost like you didn't read the thread.

[QUOTE=Cliff2;52693955]Really the administration needs to be geared more for helping students get the support they need, and help them to make a report to authorities so that actual investigation can take place.[/QUOTE] Why waste money on fighting legal battles when your "court" can just arbitrarily decide the outcome to favor the interests of your college?