Debian 9 (Stretch) is Released - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE] At least 1436 people and 18 teams contributed to Debian in 2017 Stretch has 25,357 source packages with 9,808,465 source files There were 13 different themes proposed to be the official Debian stretch theme Debian Stretch ships with the free mathematical software SageMath, you can install it with apt During the stretch development, 101 contributors became Debian Developers, and 94 more become Debian Maintainers Debian Stretch will ship with the first release of the Debian Astro Pure Blend [for astronomers] Debian Popularity Contest gathers anonymous statistics about Debian packages usage from about 195,000 reports[/QUOTE] Main Highlights [QUOTE] Support for 32-bit PCs with i586 architecture has been dropped Linux Kernel 4.9 LTS series PHP 7.0 will be the default GCC 6 will be the default compiler MariaDB to replace MySQL X.Org Server 1.19.2 systemd 232 [/QUOTE] [URL="https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/06/17/1951234/debian-9-stretch-will-be-released-today"]Source[/URL] [URL="https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/"]Release Notes[/URL] [URL="https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#deb-debian-org-mirror"]What's new[/URL]

[QUOTE]Support for 32-bit PCs with i586 architecture has been dropped[/QUOTE] Maybe now we can stop 32-bit support altogether now, hmm Microsoft?

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52373361]Maybe now we can stop 32-bit support altogether now, hmm Microsoft?[/QUOTE] Just wait a year for us to transition to 64 bit at work. Still need that Windows 10 32 bit just a little longer. :suicide:

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52373361]Maybe now we can stop 32-bit support altogether now, hmm Microsoft?[/QUOTE] I like installing linux on old computers and would be a bad move if all the linux distros did that.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52373361]Maybe now we can stop 32-bit support altogether now, hmm Microsoft?[/QUOTE] Just catching up to CentOS 7 which has been 64 bit only since 2014. Meanwhile at work we still have to support our software running on XP because ancient POS machines.

[QUOTE=Ithon;52373479]I like installing linux on old computers and would be a bad move if all the linux distros did that.[/QUOTE] They won't. One of the primary concerns when Linux was first released was that it only supported (at the time) 32-bit architectures, but now it supports pretty much everything. It won't be a big deal if all the major ones stopped supporting 32-bit, but there will always be a niche distro for any processor you can dig up.

[QUOTE=Ithon;52373479]I like installing linux on old computers and would be a bad move if all the linux distros did that.[/QUOTE] Literally even the pentium 4 is 64 bits, if you really want to run linux on a PC that old you shouldn-t be using debian.

[QUOTE=Samiam22;52373626]They won't. One of the primary concerns when Linux was first released was that it only supported (at the time) 32-bit architectures, but now it supports pretty much everything. It won't be a big deal if all the major ones stopped supporting 32-bit, but there will always be a niche distro for any processor you can dig up.[/QUOTE] Pretty much, and if you don't want a super-specific distro. Gentoo will probably still support it.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52373361]Maybe now we can stop 32-bit support altogether now, hmm Microsoft?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://myonlineusb.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/what-is-the-difference-between-i386-i486-i586-i686-i786/"]i586 means the original Pentium and the AMD K5.[/URL] Anything after Pentium Pro is i686 and still supported. [QUOTE=Kiwi;52373633]Awww man. My old Dell Inspiron 1300 dothan based is not going to be supported anymore. Then again it is something from the 2005 area that barely did 720P video from YouTube even with HTML5. Still though glad we're move away from 32 bit architecture. Should of made this move awhile ago.[/QUOTE] They didn't remove 32 bit support at all. They [I]did[/I], however, remove support for 32-bit PowerPC. [quote]A total of ten architectures are supported: 64-bit PC / Intel EM64T / x86-64 (amd64), 32-bit PC / Intel IA-32 (i386), 64-bit little-endian Motorola/IBM PowerPC (ppc64el), 64-bit IBM S/390 (s390x), for ARM, armel and armhf for older and more recent 32-bit hardware, plus arm64 for the 64-bit AArch64 architecture, and for MIPS, in addition to the two 32-bit mips (big-endian) and mipsel (little-endian), there is a new mips64el architecture for 64-bit little-endian hardware. Support for 32-bit Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc) has been removed in Stretch.[/quote]

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52373361]Maybe now we can stop 32-bit support altogether now, hmm Microsoft?[/QUOTE] Gotta remember that only 4 years ago, it made news when the Linux kernel dropped support for i386 microprocessors, released way back in 1985. It's going to be a while before 32-bit is dropped altogether. [QUOTE=dustyjo;52373809][URL="https://myonlineusb.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/what-is-the-difference-between-i386-i486-i586-i686-i786/"]i586 means the original Pentium and the AMD K5.[/URL] Anything after Pentium Pro is i686 and still supported.[/QUOTE] i686 is not after Pentium Pro. i686 [b]IS[/b] Pentium Pro.

[QUOTE]MariaDB to replace MySQL[/QUOTE] I can't believe Oracle is fucking dead.

[QUOTE=eirexe;52373705]Literally even the pentium 4 is 64 bits, if you really want to run linux on a PC that old you shouldn-t be using debian.[/QUOTE] Didn't AMD produce a few 32-bit CPUs even after Intel's Pentium 4 was a thing?

[QUOTE]MariaDB to replace MySQL[/QUOTE] Anyone know why they decided to drop MySQL? Is it just outdated?

[QUOTE=Xyrec;52373913]Anyone know why they decided to drop MySQL? Is it just outdated?[/QUOTE] From what I know, MariaDB is a free and open-source fork of MySQL after MySQL was acquired by Oracle. Debian has a FOSS philosophy, which means they prefer MariaDB over MySQL. However, the two are not completely compatible with one another.

[QUOTE=eirexe;52373705]Literally even the pentium 4 is 64 bits, if you really want to run linux on a PC that old you shouldn-t be using debian.[/QUOTE] Only later Pentium 4s supported 64 bit, though.

Neat gonna upgrade my box for php7 alone because I felt weird having to use some external repository when it just came out.

[QUOTE=Xyrec;52373913]Anyone know why they decided to drop MySQL? Is it just outdated?[/QUOTE] That, and that MariaDB is harder, [URL="https://seravo.fi/2015/10-reasons-to-migrate-to-mariadb-if-still-using-mysql"]better[/URL], faster, and stronger than MySQL. And Oracle is pretty shit

If you go to a company and ask someone who their most hated company is, if they work in networking it'll likely be cisco, if they work with servers it'll probably be oracle (or MS.) PHP7 and GCC6 are probably the other really big changes. I use arch on my VPS because I just couldn't be arsed to really go get php7 manually on centos or debian. PHP7 is a massive leap forward. [QUOTE=elevate;52373926]From what I know, MariaDB is a free and open-source fork of MySQL after MySQL was acquired by Oracle. Debian has a FOSS philosophy, which means they prefer MariaDB over MySQL. However, the two are not completely compatible with one another.[/QUOTE] I thought it was essentially perfectly compatible if you're using the right versions?

[QUOTE=Demache;52373407]Just wait a year for us to transition to 64 bit at work. Still need that Windows 10 32 bit just a little longer. :suicide:[/QUOTE] Microsoft needs to support old hardware because so many people use old computers. The last time they really raised the requirements was Vista

[QUOTE=da space core;52375046]Microsoft needs to support old hardware because so many people use old computers. The last time they really raised the requirements was Vista[/QUOTE] Yep, Windows 10 runs as acceptably well as Win7 on our school computers that should belong in museums (some wonky hyperthreading prescott pentium 4 and two jiggs of ram). Opening an image in MS Edge can bluescreen any of those computers but it's a non issue with chrome. Our sysadmin did a wonky job with installing 32bit in some and 64bit on other classrooms despite all of the computers supporting 64bit. Some classrooms still run 2015 release of Win10 while other run the latest build. Much of the reason is old printer drivers and software, and/or motherboards vomiting itself up upon touching 64bit, it's a miracle that any of this still works. You have to take care of those old hardware like they have souls and feelings.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52375034]I thought it was essentially perfectly compatible if you're using the right versions?[/QUOTE] I imagine if you're doing basic stuff, you'll have few issues, but check this out: [url]https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/mariadb-vs-mysql-compatibility/[/url]