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[QUOTE][B]With the price of illegal ivory increasing and poaching on the rise, Africa’s elephant population has been reduced to what some estimates claim to be one tenth of their population from the early 20th century.[/B]
After the recent death of Satao II, Africa’s oldest and largest elephant, in March, passions among wildlife preservation units have been heightened, with many advocates speaking out on stopping the illegal ivory trade.
Satao II, named after another gargantuan elephant who was killed in March 2014, was one of a group of “big tuskers” named for their long tusks that nearly scrape the ground. Big tuskers are highly beloved by visitors to Tsavo national park, and are also highly coveted by poachers looking to export and sell their ivory tusks to high bidding clients, mostly in mainland China. Satao II was shot with a poisoned arrow–luckily, his carcass was found by the Kenyan Wildlife Service before the poachers could obtain the massive elephant’s ivory tusks.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://evonews.com/world-news/2017/jul/11/elephants-could-be-extinct-in-15-years/[/URL]
:frown: Elephants are real bros, I hope they don't go extinct.
Got a better source? This reads like typical green scaremongering.
Poachers should be kill on sight at every park.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52487903]Poachers should be kill on sight at every park.[/QUOTE]
[I]kill[/I] is maybe a little too far, terrible as poaching may be
and a significant issue is that poachers are as dangerous to people as they are to animals, this isn't like stopping a robbery in progress
Not too sure of the source. EvoNews doesn't have a mediabiasfactcheck page nor a wikipedia page or really anything whatsoever even the company isn't well known enough to have a wikipedia page.
[URL="https://evolance.evonews.com/user/login/?next=/"]And by the looks of it, it's a freelance journalist site where members can sign up and create their own news articles.[/URL]
Looking up the story brings me to several 2015 articles about the statistic. The news article itself doesn't even cite the man who made that statistic.
It's likely this is how the news story came to be.
[del]Samuel Wasser of the Scientific American Journal made the original claim that it elephants could be extinct in 15 years in 2009.
That statistic was published in a documentary made in 2016.
Author of the article watched the documentary and said it was news in 2017.[/del]
Actually it's much more complex than that. The news story keeps popping up every few years because people don't seem to give that much of a fuck about it.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/wildlife/6364726/African-elephants-could-be-extinct-in-15-years.html[/url]
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/24/african-elephants-could-be-extinct-in-wild-within-decades-say-experts[/url]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/africa/articles/African-elephants-could-be-extinct-within-a-decade/[/url]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/37056625[/url]
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/ivory-trade-elephants-extinct_n_5631782[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/world/africa/elephants-extinction-africa/index.html[/url]
[QUOTE=_charon;52487907][I]kill[/I] is maybe a little too far, terrible as poaching may be
and a significant issue is that poachers are as dangerous to people as they are to animals, this isn't like stopping a robbery in progress[/QUOTE]
We should arbitrarily make something poachers have a rare luxury item. It'd be quite the turn of events for poachers to enter areas and start shooting each other don't ya think?
[QUOTE=_charon;52487907][I]kill[/I] is maybe a little too far, terrible as poaching may be
and a significant issue is that poachers are as dangerous to people as they are to animals, this isn't like stopping a robbery in progress[/QUOTE]
They are as much a cause of changing ecology on the planet as oil giants pumping carbon into the air.
Perhaps on a smaller scale, but by far making a huge impact on the landscape of the planet.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;52487929]We should arbitrarily make something poachers have a rare luxury item. It'd be quite the turn of events for poachers to enter areas and start shooting each other don't ya think?[/QUOTE]
Powdered poacher ribs cures blindness, and erectile dysfunction.
Well we always have their DNA for wacky tobaccy science that hasn't gone too far enough so its all cool. What china should do is get a couple elephants and crispr them to have massive horns and end the whole poaching business all the while cornering the ivory market.
You gain the skill of a poacher by eating his heart.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52487903]Poachers should be kill on sight at every park.[/QUOTE]
Actually, in parks in Kenya they already are, and in South African parks they can if they feel they're threatened. It's such a lucrative market however, especially with China opening up that people still risk it.
dudes come on, poaching is problematic exclusively in countries where people are forced to make morally unfathomable decisions in order to survive and guarantee the same for their families. i'm not defending the horrific deaths of animals but it's not that simple.
for context, a lot of animal reserves are run by fringe charity foundations that can barely pay their park ranger/guard staff on a regular basis, which compounds the probelm
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;52487943]Powdered poacher ribs cures blindness, and erectile dysfunction.[/QUOTE]
"Ya know, John, the chinese medical fact that poacher liver gives you the ability, and I quote, to 'fuck forty bitches forty times for forty days, and that's great' seems a bit suspicious."
"Come on, dude, I was told by Jim N. Otacop, do you think ol' jim would lie to me?"
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/apr/04/rhino-horns-poisoned-poachers-protect[/URL]
[QUOTE]A game reserve in South Africa has taken the radical step of poisoning rhino horns so that people risk becoming "seriously ill" if they consume them.
"Consumers of the powdered horn in Asia risk becoming seriously ill from ingesting a so-called medicinal product, which is now contaminated with a non-lethal chemical package," said Andrew Parker, chief executive of the Sabi Sand Wildtuin Association, a group of private landowners in Mpumalanga province.
The dye can be detected by airport scanners as well as when the horn is ground into a powder.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they can do this with elephants? A bandaid tactic, of course. I wish somebody could come up with a way to stamp out the trade entirely.
[quote]non-lethal chemical package[/quote]
Should make it lethal.
[QUOTE=download;52487983]You gain the skill of a poacher by eating his heart.[/QUOTE]
That's a horrible idea, that just means that eventually we'll have one absolutely unstoppable poaacher king who will render every animal on earth extinct.
[QUOTE=Shirt.;52487980]Well we always have their DNA for wacky tobaccy science that hasn't gone too far enough so its all cool. What china should do is get a couple elephants and crispr them to have massive horns and end the whole poaching business all the while cornering the ivory market.[/QUOTE]
More to the point, there are more than enough elephants in zoos and such that we need not worry about them dying off completely. There may cease to be [i]wild[/i] elephants but the species as a whole isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52487903]Poachers should be kill on sight at every park.[/QUOTE]
Funny you say that they are, They've got deference teams protecting parks but it doesn't always work.
[QUOTE=TestECull;52488120]More to the point, there are more than enough elephants in zoos and such that we need not worry about them dying off completely. There may cease to be [i]wild[/i] elephants but the species as a whole isn't going anywhere anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
But then the animals don't know how to be wild and can never go into the wild as they don't know how to act like an animal.
[QUOTE=_charon;52487907][I]kill[/I] is maybe a little too far, terrible as poaching may be
and a significant issue is that poachers are as dangerous to people as they are to animals, this isn't like stopping a robbery in progress[/QUOTE]
there are honest ways of making a living that don't involve illegally hunting and animal into extinction.
these people know the dangers of poaching and if they have that little disregard for their lives, let them be killed.
The Chinese should stop with their retarded alternative "medicine".
[QUOTE=_charon;52487907][I]kill[/I] is maybe a little too far, terrible as poaching may be
and a significant issue is that poachers are as dangerous to people as they are to animals, this isn't like stopping a robbery in progress[/QUOTE]
I'd argue that killing them on sight without making an attempt to capture is a little excessive but if it's a choice between one of a few thousand endangered animals dying or one of nearly eight billion I'll go with the latter. But there are economic hardships which are contributing to the drive for people resorting to poaching.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52487903]Poachers should be kill on sight at every park.[/QUOTE]
First off, as a humanitarian, [B]NO[/B]
Second, if they're on sight, what pray tell is the point of shooting them? If they do not fire back or attempt to fire back, you could, you know, capture and detain them. There is no need to shoot them on sight if they don't do otherwise, and doing so is objectively and morally wrong.
Third, some poachers could have a key source of information. Whether it would be their motivations or who they work for, I'd really not risk losing that information unless your life is on the line.
[QUOTE=_Axel;52488256]The Chinese should stop with their retarded alternative "medicine".[/QUOTE]
They have been cracking down on it hard the last couple of years as far as I know. But like with everything else, when there's a profit to make, people will continue poaching regardless.
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;52488310]and doing so is objectively and morally wrong.
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Thats a nice opinion you got there
[QUOTE=AutismoPiggo;52488355]Thats a nice opinion you got there[/QUOTE]
Alright, I admit that I went too far by saying that, but the point still stands that there are other alternatives than "shoot on sight" in a non-confrontational encounter
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52488315]They have been cracking down on it hard the last couple of years as far as I know. But like with everything else, when there's a profit to make, people will continue poaching regardless.[/QUOTE]
Seems like poisoning/flooding the market with fakes to drive down prices is the only remaining solution then.
Maybe set up a UN Mission to defend these animals? IDK anything better.
You wanna know who needs tusks? That's right; Elephants!
[QUOTE=Steam-Pixie;52488404]You wanna know who needs tusks? That's right; Elephants![/QUOTE]
Way to make boars feel bad, man. :frown:
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Actually, I wonder if boar tusks could be used to make fake ivory powder that can flood the market. Aren't wild boars a pest in some areas of the world?
[QUOTE=snookypookums;52488413]Way to make boars feel bad, man. :frown:
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Actually, I wonder if boar tusks could be used to make fake ivory powder that can flood the market. Aren't wild boars a pest in some areas of the world?[/QUOTE]
But then if that happens wouldn't boars be close to extinction? :frown:
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