South Dakota man gets $190 fine for snake without leash
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SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — A man who was fined for allowing his pet snake to slither freely in a South Dakota park said an animal control officer suggested he use a leash to restrain the reptile.
[URL="http://www.newstimes.com/search/?action=search&channel=news&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query="]Jerry Kimball[/URL] said he initially thought the recommendation was a joke because it was April Fool's Day when he was fined $190 and ticketed last week for "animals running at large," told the Argus Leader ([URL]http://argusne.ws/2oMstxK[/URL] ).
"He was literally asking me to put a rope around my snake," Kimball said. "I was like, 'Dude, no.' I was dumbfounded."
Kimball was approached by the officer after a woman complained that his Fire Bee Ball Python was roaming freely at Falls Park in Sioux Falls.[/quote]
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To give non-snake-lovers an idea for the sheer absurdity of this. An adult ball python weighs less than an adult Yorkie.
Guy's animal control but he didn't even know that the only way to, uhh, [I]leash a ball python[/I] is to put a zipper in front of it?
I am not knowledable about snakes but this one is harmless right
[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52078479]I am not knowledable about snakes but this one is harmless right[/QUOTE]
Quick Wiki search finds that it's non-venemous, docile, and one of the smallest constrictors in captivity.
[quote]Animal Control Supervisor Julie DeJong said a city ordinance requires all pets to be leashed or restrained in public. She said pet snakes can be held or kept in a container to comply.
"If it's in public and it's not on a leash, it's at large. The ordinance doesn't really distinguish between animals," she said.
DeJong added that snake lovers should be more sensitive to the aversion many people feel toward the animal. While non-venomous snakes are legal to own, not all park visitors will welcome a python in a park.
But Kimball said he considers it his mission to rid the public's fear of snakes.
"That's my purpose in life: To let people know that snakes aren't killers," he said. "What better way to give back than to help people understand these misunderstood creatures?"[/quote]
unless dogs were also running around without a leash rules are rules
Haha i live there
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[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52078479]I am not knowledable about snakes but this one is harmless right[/QUOTE]
Ball Pythons are like the best pet snakes because they are extremely docile and cute. They're usually pudgy, have smooth scales, and adorable :3 faces.
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sqk-3gyMBoI/VN7q4LGRzKI/AAAAAAAAKRk/qqtqC5nJUvs/s1600/ball%2Bpython.jpg[/img]
Cuteness aside, I wear these guys around my neck whenever I have them out. They're more articles of clothing than pets tbh.
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Now this kid knows how to wear sneks
[img]http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s158/nyraptor/robsnake.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=Jund;52078510]unless dogs were also running around without a leash rules are rules[/QUOTE]
This is dumb because the rule doesn't even sensibly apply to (small) snakes, especially ball pythons. The animal is essentially a leash itself, and they're slow to boot so you can easily just pick it up. The fine makes sense given the rule, but the rule needs to be amended.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52078778]
This is dumb because the rule doesn't even sensibly apply to (small) snakes, especially ball pythons. The animal is essentially a leash itself, and they're slow to boot so you can easily just pick it up. The fine makes sense given the rule, but the rule needs to be amended.[/QUOTE]
adult ball pythons usually grow to be about 3+ feet. chihuahuas would have needed to been leashed too
he wasn't fined because it was a snake. he was fined because he was breaking the law
GOP
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52078778]
Now this kid knows how to wear sneks
[img]http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s158/nyraptor/robsnake.jpg[/img]
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This is dumb because the rule doesn't even sensibly apply to (small) snakes, especially ball pythons. The animal is essentially a leash itself, and they're slow to boot so you can easily just pick it up. The fine makes sense given the rule, but the rule needs to be amended.[/QUOTE]
I see that snake has found itself a tasty and nutritious meal.
oh my god i have 30 ball pythons
the notion of this is just absurd
theyre legless pudgy puppies why does he need to be fined 200 bucks
two questions:
can you choke a ball python or any snake for that matter if the leash is too tight?
can't a snake just slither out of a leash?
snakes are tubes, how are you going to put a leash on one
[QUOTE=Untouch;52079760]snakes are tubes, how are you going to put a leash on one[/QUOTE]
Put a sock over its head and have a string on the sock
[QUOTE=Birdman101;52078589]Haha i live there[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry
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[QUOTE=Untouch;52079760]snakes are tubes, how are you going to put a leash on one[/QUOTE]
Get it a harness, duh.
[QUOTE=The Duke;52078468]To give non-snake-lovers an idea for the sheer absurdity of this. An adult ball python weighs less than an adult Yorkie.[/QUOTE]
A snake's a snake in their eyes...
Could you put the snake in a long spandex tube and then attach a leash to that.
I thought snakes in general were pretty scary until I saw this:
[video=youtube;wz2opOBqClo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz2opOBqClo[/video]
Look at how happy he is! :smile:
Since then, I've been lucky enough to encounter a few more people IRL who happen to keep snakes as pets too and they're kinda neat. Weird, but neat. I mean, some of them are kinda adorable looking too:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jZOiV2e.jpg[/IMG]
Some common sense should've been used here, really.
So do snakes develop an actual attachment to their owners beyond "this thing feeds me, so I will go to it when I see it" ? Do they make actual family bonds or anything like that? Like cats and dogs, etc?
I like sneks, but don't know much about them.
[QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;52079104]oh my god i have 30 ball pythons
the notion of this is just absurd
theyre legless pudgy puppies why does he need to be fined 200 bucks[/QUOTE]
That's a lot of snakes.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;52080138]I thought snakes in general were pretty scary until I saw this:
[video=youtube;wz2opOBqClo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz2opOBqClo[/video]
Look at how happy he is! :smile:
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wow this is my new favorite video ever.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;52080316]So do snakes develop an actual attachment to their owners beyond "this thing feeds me, so I will go to it when I see it" ? Do they make actual family bonds or anything like that? Like cats and dogs, etc?[/QUOTE]
They're more independently-minded than a cat or dog in that they won't actively seek petting, but have the cognitive ability to recognize you over other people and, depending on the personality of the individual, will be far more likely to trust you with direct handling than another person. It's not quite like with dogs, cats or most other mammalian or avian pets because the vast majority of them have social lifestyles whereas snakes are solitary by nature. For example, while a snake used to handling will likely allow you to hold it, after a while they may feel uncomfortable and desire to be placed back down unless they are basically at rest on your shoulders.
Thus, you could say that they are intelligent enough to form a trusting bond with you but psychologically won't go out of their way to desire being handled for the most part, although they are far, FAR easier to deal with if handled from a young age in that regard. Ball Pythons thus make an excellent snake for beginners as, like Corn Snakes, they remain small and are incredibly placid by nature, making them easier to acclimate to handling.
Reptilian intelligence in general tends to be incredibly underestimated by the general public, and can approach or exceed that of what many people expect from even warm-blooded organisms.
[QUOTE=The Duke;52080429]They're more independently-minded than a cat or dog in that they won't actively seek petting, but have the cognitive ability to recognize you over other people and, depending on the personality of the individual, will be far more likely to trust you with direct handling than another individual. It's not quite like with dogs, cats or most other mammalian or avian pets because the vast majority of them have social lifestyles whereas snakes are solitary by nature. For example, while a snake used to handling will likely allow you to hold it, after a while they may feel uncomfortable and desire to be placed back down unless they are basically at rest on your shoulders.
Thus, you could say that they are intelligent enough to form a trusting bond with you but psychologically won't go out of their way to desire being handled for the most part, although they are far, FAR easier to deal with if handled from a young age in that regard. Ball Pythons thus make an excellent snake for beginners as, like Corn Snakes, they remain small and are incredibly placid by nature, making them easier to acclimate to handling.
Reptilian intelligence in general tends to be incredibly underestimated by the general public, and can approach or exceed that of what many people expect from even warm-blooded organisms.[/QUOTE]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-zGIS-WWZQ[/media]
:v:
I dunno if snakes can develop this kind of bond but some reptiles can.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;52080316]So do snakes develop an actual attachment to their owners beyond "this thing feeds me, so I will go to it when I see it" ? Do they make actual family bonds or anything like that? Like cats and dogs, etc?
I like sneks, but don't know much about them.[/QUOTE]
Yes, from my experience of working with many, many snakes since I was a child. They can form attachments to specific people and be afraid of others, although most domesticated snakes have been pacified to such a deep extent through breeding it's hard to notice without paying strict attention their behavior with different people.
Also, we can look at their relatives around them in the animal kingdom to get a good idea. All sorts of lizards have been shown to act just like dogs, and chickens and other birds are known to develop [i]deep[/i] emotion bonds with people (to the point to where they become obsessive).
I genuinely believe virtually all animals can develop emotional attachments to people. I even had a fish that developed an attachment to me, she hated other people but would be ecstatic when she knew I was around.
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[QUOTE=The Duke;52080429][I]They're more independently-minded than a cat or dog in that they won't actively seek petting,[/I] but have the cognitive ability to recognize you over other people and, depending on the personality of the individual, will be far more likely to trust you with direct handling than another person. It's not quite like with dogs, cats or most other mammalian or avian pets because the vast majority of them have social lifestyles whereas snakes are solitary by nature. For example, while a snake used to handling will likely allow you to hold it, after a while they may feel uncomfortable and desire to be placed back down unless they are basically at rest on your shoulders.
Thus, you could say that they are intelligent enough to form a trusting bond with you but psychologically won't go out of their way to desire being handled for the most part, although they are far, FAR easier to deal with if handled from a young age in that regard. Ball Pythons thus make an excellent snake for beginners as, like Corn Snakes, they remain small and are incredibly placid by nature, making them easier to acclimate to handling.
Reptilian intelligence in general tends to be incredibly underestimated by the general public, and can approach or exceed that of what many people expect from even warm-blooded organisms.[/QUOTE]
This isn't true, my friend has a corn snake that [i]demands[/i] the pets. Most snakes are lazy but in the more active ones you can see this constant attention-seeking behavior. I worked with a rat snake before that would have a shitfit if you weren't paying constant attention to him.
Also, there are social species of snakes, but I don't think we've fully domesticated them yet (could be wrong, there are some serious breeders out there).
But on that last statement, I can fully agree. I was originally obsessed with reptiles as a small child but nothing I ever read in my constant consumption of information of them ever said they were intelligent in the least. But through the many animal science programs in schooling as well as all the volunteer work I've done at gator farms, labs, and animal shelters has shown me just how intelligent they can really be. It has also exposed me to other animals in very intimate ways. I have a deep love and respect for most animals now, even spiders, something I was deeply afraid of all my life before working with Tarantulas. As an example, I was once forced to work with a blue and gold Macaw before that nobody liked and was extremely aggressive. After two years I was able to get him to like me, and he was one of the most profoundly intelligent and nice creatures I had ever met. So intelligent it was hard to distinguish the difference between my friendship with this bird and other human beings. He died a few years ago, I was devastated, as I didn't know how old he was, nearly 70 years old apparently. RIP Bobo, I will never forget you.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52080471]This isn't true, my friend has a corn snake that [i]demands[/i] the pets. Most snakes are lazy but in the more active ones you can see this constant attention-seeking behavior. I worked with a rat snake before that would have a shitfit if you weren't paying constant attention to him.[/Quote]
Interesting.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52080471]Also, there are social species of snakes, but I don't think we've fully domesticated them yet (could be wrong, there are some serious breeders out there).[/Quote]
Besides garters, what would you consider notable species of social snakes? (Regardless of the viability of keeping them captive)
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52080471]It has also exposed me to other animals in very intimate ways. I have a deep love and respect for most animals now, even spiders, something I was deeply afraid of all my life before working with Tarantulas.[/QUOTE]
Out of curiosity, have you dealt with jumping spiders at all since you said you've worked with tarantulas (I know jumping spiders aren't tarantulas, but still)? I've always found them inquistive and with tons of personality from what I've seen, so I was just wondering.
[QUOTE=The Duke;52080535]Interesting.
Besides garters, what would you consider notable species of social snakes? (Regardless of the viability of keeping them captive)
Out of curiosity, have you dealt with jumping spiders at all since you said you've worked with tarantulas (I know jumping spiders aren't tarantulas, but still)? I've always found them inquistive and with tons of personality from what I've seen, so I was just wondering.[/QUOTE]
rattlesnakes are really social
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