Girl, six, died after doctor 'failed to spot meningitis' - Sensationalist Headlines

[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-43310931"]Source.[/URL] [QUOTE]A six-year-old girl died after a doctor missed a "classic indicator" that she had meningitis, an inquest heard. Layla Rose Ermenekli was taken to Royal Oldham Hospital with a high temperature, leg and stomach pains and a tell-tale rash on her hip, and died eight hours later. Dr Harsha Rajanna said he asked her mother Kirsty about the hip mark and was told she bumped into a table. Mrs Ermenekli said the exchange never happened. The hearing was told that Layla, from Oldham, Greater Manchester, was a lively girl who loved playing with her friends and dancing. She became ill in February last year and was taken to the hospital's accident and emergency department. She was triaged as "priority two" at 20:55 GMT and should have been seen by a doctor within 10 minutes, but Dr Rajanna did not see her until 22:50 GMT. Mrs Ermenekli told the inquest he said Layla could go home and she felt pressured to take her. A nurse called in junior doctor Imogen Buck who saw the non-blanching rash - a "classic indicator" of meningitis. Layla was transferred to a high dependency unit but died of meningococcal meningitis and septicaemia hours later.[/QUOTE] As much as this reeks of bullshit on the doctor's part I can't help but feel that the cuts made to the NHS and increasing pressures on doctors and nurses is only adding fuel to the fire.

The Tories are literally killing people out of greed. But hey, look at these evil brown people! They're the real danger!

[quote]The coroner asked Dr Buck why she did not challenge Dr Rajanna after Layla died and she said felt it "wasn't appropriate".[/quote] I don't jive with this. If you notice something another doctor may have missed, you have to notify them or take some action in the event of an emergency. This is a big problem with how rigid the hierarchies can sometimes get in a setup.

[QUOTE=_Axel;53183337]The Tories are literally killing people out of greed. But hey, look at these evil brown people! They're the real danger![/QUOTE] Problem with the conservatives is that people, as Ms Rudd says, needs to judge them by their record. AKA Stop fucking voting for them

How does a doctor not spot Meningitis when he sees it, especially when a rash is present? Have to wonder how many hours he'd been working already when this kid came in.

[QUOTE=El Burro;53183362]How does a doctor not spot Meningitis when he sees it, especially when a rash is present? Have to wonder how many hours he'd been working already when this kid came in.[/QUOTE] as long as it's seen as remotely sane to have doctors working 24 hour shifts at hospitals the sanity of healthcare professionals in those situations can't be trusted. The utter stupidity of doctors at hospitals doing this regularly should be obvious to everyone.

[QUOTE=El Burro;53183362]How does a doctor not spot Meningitis when he sees it, especially when a rash is present? Have to wonder how many hours he'd been working already when this kid came in.[/QUOTE] Doctors can have insanely long working shifts, due to cuts in other areas. Shit like that leads to shit like this.

I don't really get how you miss something like meningitis, this like missing bubonic plague or a severed leg. Even as a non doctor her symptoms are suspicious as fuck and are quite obviously not a regular cold or flu, or a REALLY fucked up flu which is still hospital worthy.

[QUOTE]She was triaged as "priority two" at 20:55 GMT and should have been seen by a doctor within 10 minutes, but Dr Rajanna did not see her until 22:50 GMT[/QUOTE] This part is important. 2 hours is a fuckload in terms of survival when we're talking meningitis. Also, I'm a bit confused about what happened - how did the kid end up being admitted anyway (since he wanted to send her home)? By whom? For what?

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;53183353]I don't jive with this. If you notice something another doctor may have missed, you have to notify them or take some action in the event of an emergency. This is a big problem with how rigid the hierarchies can sometimes get in a setup.[/QUOTE] They're both professionals. The doctor thought it didn't seem right but then probably shrugged it off realizing 'hey wait, that person is a professional too, so they probably had their reasons.'

[QUOTE=_Axel;53183337]The Tories are literally killing people out of greed. But hey, look at these evil brown people! They're the real danger![/QUOTE] What the hell does this have to do with tories, am I missing something from the article?

[QUOTE=KillerLUA;53184437]What the hell does this have to do with tories, am I missing something from the article?[/QUOTE] Because people like me will point out the doctor responsible for this girls death is a brown person, judging by the name, and is lesser quality than say, a white or Jewish doctor.

I'm friends with a couple of doctors and they're so overworked it's disgusting. I wouldn't trust someone to stack shelves safely with the mad hours they do, and they're expected to make incredibly important and stressful decisions. I honestly don't know how they do it, I'd have a fucking breakdown, I'm surprised they don't crash their cars driving home

Maybe if there wasn't a dearth of doctors and their excess of patients created by poorly managed hospital administration staff we wouldn't have this kind of problem. Most doctors/nurses these days work an average of 12 hour days. It also doesn't help that most hospitals have an almost-militaristic management system where more senior doctors are often seen as threatening and their word is absolute, while younger staff are afraid to speak up. Doesn't matter if this is in the US, or the UK, or anywhere else. Medicine is a ruthless field. People make mistakes, and unfortunately in this field, people may die because of those mistakes.

[QUOTE=KillerLUA;53184437]What the hell does this have to do with tories, am I missing something from the article?[/QUOTE] The Tories constantly gutting public services like the NHS is leading to doctors and nurses (nurses moreso I'm inclined to say) being horribly overworked. A doctor has to see more patients and work longer hours as the NHS lacks the funds to hire more in a lot of hospitals. Nurses are expected to do the job of 6 people in the same amount of time as their standard shift. These factors are almost entirely caused by NHS underfunding (or rather, a lack of adjustment to funding to match inflation and demand like every previous government tried to do). Overworked medical staff make mistakes more often, as would anybody who's more stressed, more tired and not being reimbursed for their time fairly.

the issue here has nothing to do with the NHS or the government, you all missed the main point of the article and turned it into a generic unrelated discussion. the doctor is accusing the mum of saying the rash was caused by her banging her hip on something. the waiting time issue about being seen in 10 minutes is untrue, priority 2 is within 30 minutes, which they still failed.