'We're not monsters': Ontario. township defends shuttering girl's lemonade stand - Sensationalist Headlines

[IMG]https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.3455002.1497289427!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE][B]When Jonathon Smith’s five-year-old daughter Lily decided last week that she wanted to set up a lemonade stand near their home in Tay Township, in Ontario’s southern Georgian Bay region, Smith enthusiastically helped her build it.[/B] Because Lily hasn’t honed her math skills just yet, Smith says she gave lemonade to passersby for free, and even set out water for trail-walkers’ dogs. “They absolutely love it,” Smith told CTVNews.ca in a phone interview on Monday. “Everybody’s got huge smiles on their faces and they don’t see a lot of it anymore.” Despite its favourable reception among trail users, Lily’s lemonade stand wasn’t a hit with everyone. On Sunday, Smith said he discovered a notice from Tay Township taped to his front door and another one on the lemonade stand. The letters, originally delivered by bylaw officers on Friday, notified him that he had 10 days to take down the wooden stand or the township would remove it at a cost of $125 that he would have to pay. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/we-re-not-monsters-ont-township-defends-shuttering-girl-s-lemonade-stand-1.3454896[/URL]

What a bunch of wankers

That's a pretty weak-ass argument they bring just so they can take down a five year old's free lemonade stand.

[quote]“If somebody was biking along and they caught their handlebars on it, the fact that it was there on the trail opens the municipality up to liability for it,” Lamb said.[/quote] Shit, better get rid of all the trees then

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52352273]Shit, better get rid of all the trees then[/QUOTE] Better get rid of the bikers, too. "Sorry, one bike limit on the trail."

Couldn't they just, like, move it one meter towards their property and thus be off the bike trail? Not saying it's right, but it kinda seems like a non-issue honestly.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52352878]Couldn't they just, like, move it one meter towards their property and thus be off the bike trail? Not saying it's right, but it kinda seems like a non-issue honestly.[/QUOTE] Probably some twat in the local HOA on a powertrip who complained higher up.

Holy shit this is like an Arrested Development gag or something. Can you imagine being the guy who has to ticket a goddamn elementary schoolers lemonade stand?

I'll say it again because this was pointed out the last time a lemonade stand got shut down: [b]The Township has their hands tied. They have to shut the stand down.[/b] While everyone over here is gushing about how nice and sweet it is for a little girl to run a lemonade stand, you simply cannot run any kind of food/drink establishment without permits. Nobody knows how the lemonade is being made or what's being put in it. If someone drinks that lemonade and there's a trace amount of peanut in it because someone happened to me making PB&J's the day before on the counter in the kitchen and they have an allergic reaction, not only will the town get fucked but so will the girl and her family. It has absolutely nothing to do with a kid running a lemonade stand. It's a health hazard and violation to operate an unlicensed food business, whether it be a 6 year old with a lemonade stand or a multi-million dollar chain restaurant. If you want to be angry at this, be angry at the American justice system that allows the prosecution of families and towns like this. Don't get angry at the people doing their job.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;52352985]I'll say it again because this was pointed out the last time a lemonade stand got shut down: [b]The Township has their hands tied. They have to shut the stand down.[/b] While everyone over here is gushing about how nice and sweet it is for a little girl to run a lemonade stand, you simply cannot run any kind of food/drink establishment without permits. Nobody knows how the lemonade is being made or what's being put in it. If someone drinks that lemonade and there's a trace amount of peanut in it because someone happened to me making PB&J's the day before on the counter in the kitchen and they have an allergic reaction, not only will the town get fucked but so will the girl and her family. It has absolutely nothing to do with a kid running a lemonade stand. It's a health hazard and violation to operate an unlicensed food business, whether it be a 6 year old with a lemonade stand or a multi-million dollar chain restaurant. If you want to be angry at this, be angry at the American justice system that allows the prosecution of families and towns like this. Don't get angry at the people doing their job.[/QUOTE] It's not the permits that are the issue. The issue is that it supposedly blocks the bike path to a degree and as such the municipality could be sued if someone were to crash into it as it is public land. Though in all honesty if you can't see a bloody great lump of wood you should really stop cycling and go to an opticians or something.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;52352985]I'll say it again because this was pointed out the last time a lemonade stand got shut down: [b]The Township has their hands tied. They have to shut the stand down.[/b] While everyone over here is gushing about how nice and sweet it is for a little girl to run a lemonade stand, you simply cannot run any kind of food/drink establishment without permits. Nobody knows how the lemonade is being made or what's being put in it. If someone drinks that lemonade and there's a trace amount of peanut in it because someone happened to me making PB&J's the day before on the counter in the kitchen and they have an allergic reaction, not only will the town get fucked but so will the girl and her family. It has absolutely nothing to do with a kid running a lemonade stand. It's a health hazard and violation to operate an unlicensed food business, whether it be a 6 year old with a lemonade stand or a multi-million dollar chain restaurant. If you want to be angry at this, be angry at the [B]American justice system[/B] that allows the prosecution of families and towns like this. Don't get angry at the people doing their job.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Ontario’s southern Georgian Bay region[/QUOTE] That goddamn American justice system ruining Canada's great enterprises.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;52352985]I'll say it again because this was pointed out the last time a lemonade stand got shut down: [b]The Township has their hands tied. They have to shut the stand down.[/b] While everyone over here is gushing about how nice and sweet it is for a little girl to run a lemonade stand, you simply cannot run any kind of food/drink establishment without permits. Nobody knows how the lemonade is being made or what's being put in it. If someone drinks that lemonade and there's a trace amount of peanut in it because someone happened to me making PB&J's the day before on the counter in the kitchen and they have an allergic reaction, not only will the town get fucked but so will the girl and her family. It has absolutely nothing to do with a kid running a lemonade stand. It's a health hazard and violation to operate an unlicensed food business, whether it be a 6 year old with a lemonade stand or a multi-million dollar chain restaurant. If you want to be angry at this, be angry at the American justice system that allows the prosecution of families and towns like this. Don't get angry at the people doing their job.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's different in the US, but I don't think you need a permit if you aren't actually selling the product. It's also definitely not why the lemonade stand is getting shut down, according to article - it's apparently purely because of the placement. Now the hands of the township are probably still fairly tied, but not for the reasons you've stated. Edit: Woops, sorry. North US.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;52352985] be angry at the American justice system that allows the prosecution of families and towns like this. Don't get angry at the people doing their job.[/QUOTE] This happened in Canada :v: It even says Ontario in the thread title.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;52352985]I'll say it again because this was pointed out the last time a lemonade stand got shut down: [b]The Township has their hands tied. They have to shut the stand down.[/b] While everyone over here is gushing about how nice and sweet it is for a little girl to run a lemonade stand, you simply cannot run any kind of food/drink establishment without permits. Nobody knows how the lemonade is being made or what's being put in it. If someone drinks that lemonade and there's a trace amount of peanut in it because someone happened to me making PB&J's the day before on the counter in the kitchen and they have an allergic reaction, not only will the town get fucked but so will the girl and her family. It has absolutely nothing to do with a kid running a lemonade stand. It's a health hazard and violation to operate an unlicensed food business, whether it be a 6 year old with a lemonade stand or a multi-million dollar chain restaurant. If you want to be angry at this, be angry at the American justice system that allows the prosecution of families and towns like this. Don't get angry at the people doing their job.[/QUOTE] If a five year olds lemonade stand is so dangerous to the general population then why even live

These are the kinds of stupid laws that make people unnecessarily hate progressive left-leaning policies that originally had a valid purpose. The rules should be sensible and changed to make exceptions to kids under a certain age. How many more news stories am I going to have to read about this exact topic until city council members or whoever realizes how dumb all of this is? Is anyone truly in support of a nanny-state?

[QUOTE=FFStudios;52352985]I'll say it again because this was pointed out the last time a lemonade stand got shut down: [b]The Township has their hands tied. They have to shut the stand down.[/b] While everyone over here is gushing about how nice and sweet it is for a little girl to run a lemonade stand, you simply cannot run any kind of food/drink establishment without permits. Nobody knows how the lemonade is being made or what's being put in it. If someone drinks that lemonade and there's a trace amount of peanut in it because someone happened to me making PB&J's the day before on the counter in the kitchen and they have an allergic reaction, not only will the town get fucked but so will the girl and her family. It has absolutely nothing to do with a kid running a lemonade stand. It's a health hazard and violation to operate an unlicensed food business, whether it be a 6 year old with a lemonade stand or a multi-million dollar chain restaurant. If you want to be angry at this, be angry at the American justice system that allows the prosecution of families and towns like this. Don't get angry at the people doing their job.[/QUOTE] it wasnt a business, it was free. afaik its not illegal to give someone free lemonade without regulation.

[QUOTE=meek;52353470]it wasnt a business, it was free. afaik its not illegal to give someone free lemonade without regulation.[/QUOTE] You don't understand how public health works at an administrative level, but most people don't. You can't get around the law by saying "well they were free drinks". All that matters is that you are serving food/drink to the public. It's also not that black and white - most cases, the context of what was being served would be looked at. I highly doubt that Canada's public health laws differ that greatly from America's, especially because most judicial systems in the Western world are modeled after it (with a few minor exceptions). [editline]13th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52353043]Maybe it's different in the US, but I don't think you need a permit if you aren't actually selling the product. It's also definitely not why the lemonade stand is getting shut down, according to article - it's apparently purely because of the placement. Now the hands of the township are probably still fairly tied, but not for the reasons you've stated.[/QUOTE] The placement is part of the point I'm making, it's on public property and the drinks are being served to the public. Private property is a whole other story, as many have pointed out

The market is too free guys we need increased lemonade stand regulations

[QUOTE=FFStudios;52354068]You don't understand how public health works at an administrative level, but most people don't. You can't get around the law by saying "well they were free drinks". All that matters is that you are serving food/drink to the public. It's also not that black and white - most cases, the context of what was being served would be looked at. I highly doubt that Canada's public health laws differ that greatly from America's, especially because most judicial systems in the Western world are modeled after it (with a few minor exceptions). [editline]13th June 2017[/editline] The placement is part of the point I'm making, it's on public property and the drinks are being served to the public. Private property is a whole other story, as many have pointed out[/QUOTE] This is a really good example of how hardline bureaucracy is fucking loony

never thought i'd see a fp headline from my tiny ass town, weird

[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;52354362]This is a really good example of how hardline bureaucracy is fucking loony[/QUOTE] Without a doubt. It fucking sucks that things have to be this way. A side effect of the whole "the government knows best" philosophy.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52353043]Maybe it's different in the US, but I don't think you need a permit if you aren't actually selling the product. It's also definitely not why the lemonade stand is getting shut down, according to article - it's apparently purely because of the placement. Now the hands of the township are probably still fairly tied, but not for the reasons you've stated. Edit: Woops, sorry. North US.[/QUOTE] It's the same in the US, at least in most states. If you aren't selling your product, legally you don't need a permit because you're technically not a business.

[QUOTE=antair;52353365]These are the kinds of stupid laws that make people unnecessarily hate progressive left-leaning policies that originally had a valid purpose. The rules should be sensible and changed to make exceptions to kids under a certain age. How many more news stories am I going to have to read about this exact topic until city council members or whoever realizes how dumb all of this is? Is anyone truly in support of a nanny-state?[/QUOTE] Is this post real? Haha.

While I don't agree with it I can see why they made the decision they did. Two people are already suing over injuries sustained while rollerblading on the trail and I'm guessing the Township can't really afford another lawsuit - even if they win, legal costs are potentially going to hit their budget pretty hard. Of course the solution would be to have a less litigious society but what are the chances of that happening in all honesty. Naturally we don't have the whole picture here but I'm writing this assuming the injuries weren't sustained due to poor trail maintenance or safety hazards that could have easily have been prevented.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52352273]Shit, better get rid of all the trees then[/QUOTE] That's literally what they do, though. If there's a tree on the trail, blocking it, then they get rid of it so it doesn't pose a danger to anyone on the trail.

[QUOTE=antair;52353365]These are the kinds of stupid laws that make people unnecessarily hate progressive left-leaning policies that originally had a valid purpose. The rules should be sensible and changed to make exceptions to kids under a certain age.[/QUOTE] While that sounds sensible, I'm pretty sure permitting something like this by law would end up also concerning child labour laws and then it's just an endless spiral of potentially horrible loopholes.