ThyssenKrupp unveils the world's first sideways-moving elevator system
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[QUOTE]The world's first rope-less, horizontal-vertical elevator system – akin to Willy Wonka's glass elevator – has been installed inside a purpose-built innovation test tower in Germany.
Called Multi, the groundbreaking system has been developed by German elevator manufacturer ThyssenKrupp.
Through the use of multiple magnetised cabins, which operate in the same shaft on an electromagnetic track, it makes it possible to travel sideways as well as up and down.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.dezeen.com/2017/07/12/thyssenkrupp-unveils-worlds-first-rope-less-sideways-moving-elevator-system-multi/"]Source[/URL]
Looks like a maintenance nightmare but if not then that's pretty neat. I'm sure it will be many years before we'd see something like this actually implemented.
Already posted.
Also I know a bit about TK's elevator systems since I've worked on a number of apps for them. It's a pretty neat concept and I think they can actually pull it off.
Thyssen Krupp and the great glass elevator
Cool now i can die going horizontally on an elevator now
Didn't Disney already do this for Tower of Terror? Or something like it?
I assume this would have automatic safeguards that lock in place in the event of power failure? That aside, good lord it looks like an incredibly complex piece of technology - maintenance nightmare, as mentioned above. I'm just curious to hear more about it's life expectancy and maintenance schedule and such. There's no point in having an elevator that can go sideways if the tradeoff is 5 times more troublesome maintenance over a traditional system.
Tom Scott did a cool video on these.
[video=youtube;kdTsbFS4xmI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTsbFS4xmI[/video]
[QUOTE=MR-X;52543470]Cool now i can die going horizontally on an elevator now[/QUOTE]
Technically elevators are one of the [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHf1vD5_b5I&t=1m3s"]safest[/URL] forms of travel.
Of course, that only applies to normal elevators. Will be interesting to see what kind of safety features will be implemented on these.
[QUOTE=Kuro.;52543480]Didn't Disney already do this for Tower of Terror? Or something like it?[/QUOTE]
tower of terror works much simpler than this, actually. the elevator car itself has two sets of operations. when it's moving horizontally it's like a very simple automated vehicle with a sensor that reads from transmitters into the floor to move forward. the car itself is not actually an elevator, it's more or less just a moving car. the secret is that the car itself just moves into a slightly bigger elevator that is not visible when you're on the ride, and that does all the up and down motion
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I'm not getting the benefit here. You build up because your horizontal footprint is limited. Typically it takes little to no effort to walk the diameter of even large skyscrapers. You might marginally manage to improve speed, but the cost would be significantly higher and repairs much more complicated.
[QUOTE=GunFox;52543759]I'm not getting the benefit here. You build up because your horizontal footprint is limited. Typically it takes little to no effort to walk the diameter of even large skyscrapers. You might marginally manage to improve speed, but the cost would be significantly higher and repairs much more complicated.[/QUOTE]
it seems like the intended purpose is to be able to have elevators that can dynamically move inbetween multiple buildings, which is an even narrower subset of uses
[QUOTE=GunFox;52543759]I'm not getting the benefit here. You build up because your horizontal footprint is limited. Typically it takes little to no effort to walk the diameter of even large skyscrapers. You might marginally manage to improve speed, but the cost would be significantly higher and repairs much more complicated.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52543767]it seems like the intended purpose is to be able to have elevators that can dynamically move inbetween multiple buildings, which is an even narrower subset of uses[/QUOTE]
You can move it inside a single large building as well. The things that make these so much better are that by moving unused cars out of the way you make room for others, and they can take you to a very specific destination in a large 3d volume [I]with no stops[/I].
Taking this to its conclusion, they can dynamically plan out the optimal paths for dozens of cars, meaning that the wait time for your elevator is drastically shortened, they can avoid each other, which means you can move vastly more people through the building at once with no dead time, and the car can get anywhere in the building (or even change buildings) as needed without ever having the occupants change cars on a floor or walk.
Will the first building to use this be in China or the UAE?
[QUOTE=GunFox;52543759]I'm not getting the benefit here. You build up because your horizontal footprint is limited. Typically it takes little to no effort to walk the diameter of even large skyscrapers. You might marginally manage to improve speed, but the cost would be significantly higher and repairs much more complicated.[/QUOTE]
One thing you could do with this is have up only or down only elevator shafts, which would allow fow multiple elevators in the same shaft, drastically reducing wait times and reducing the number of elevator shafts required in a very tall building with lots of traffic
[QUOTE=GunFox;52543759]I'm not getting the benefit here. You build up because your horizontal footprint is limited. Typically it takes little to no effort to walk the diameter of even large skyscrapers. You might marginally manage to improve speed, but the cost would be significantly higher and repairs much more complicated.[/QUOTE]
Cable elevators have a limited max height since at some point the cable cannot support its own weight.
Additionally, sideways movement would allow you to basically have 4 elevator shafts while perhaps actually operating 8 elevators.
Quite an interesting and unusual concept, but I can't be the only one who immediately thought of Dahir Inshaat when watching the video.
Some absolutely great engineering there, nice to see Linear motors more in industry. They are perfect for an elevator application...
[QUOTE=admiralt;52545206]Quite an interesting and unusual concept, but I can't be the only one who immediately thought of Dahir Inshaat when watching the video.[/QUOTE]
Video wasn't outrageous enough
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52543968]Will the first building to use this be in China or the UAE?[/QUOTE]
My vote is on UAE
[QUOTE=admiralt;52545206]Quite an interesting and unusual concept, but I can't be the only one who immediately thought of Dahir Inshaat when watching the video.[/QUOTE]
God damn, I miss Dahir Inshaat videos. They didn't just take down the retsupure videos, but the reuploads someone made as well.
And if the power fails?
[QUOTE=Amplar;52551689]And if the power fails?[/QUOTE]
It'd like a broken rollercoaster
[QUOTE=GunFox;52543759]I'm not getting the benefit here. You build up because your horizontal footprint is limited. Typically it takes little to no effort to walk the diameter of even large skyscrapers. You might marginally manage to improve speed, but the cost would be significantly higher and repairs much more complicated.[/QUOTE]
A system like this can have 50 cars moving in only 2 shafts. If you add more shafts, you can dynamically create multiple sets of loops that intersect each other vertically and/or horizontally. For example, in a simple usage case you could have 3 shafts going up to various random floors at the start of a workday. The vehicles just go straight to their designated floor, then sidestep across to the 4th shaft and head straight back to ground level. Cars are always available, and when people get in one, they get where they want faster, and you can have dozens of vehicles in motion in a very limited amount of space. At the end of the day when everyone is leaving, you do the reverse and have vehicles hanging out at every level, then they side step and rapidly descend, before side stepping again and going back up in rotation.
[QUOTE=Amplar;52551689]And if the power fails?[/QUOTE]
It would be like on a normal elevator except the engineer would have to walk or use some kind of maintenance cart to get to you. The power almost never goes out though, most of the time elevators stop because of overload, either because people put too much stuff in them or because of bad settings/resistors. In that case the engineer can just reset it from the service room, assuming it would work like normal thyssen elevators.
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