Ohio State sued over refusal to let white nationalist Richard Spencer speak - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]An associate and organizer of campus tours for white nationalist Richard Spencer sued Ohio State University in federal court on Sunday after school officials refused to rent campus space for Spencer to speak. The lawsuit comes after an attorney for the university sent a letter Friday to Spencer associate and Georgia State University graduate student Cameron Padgett that said while the school "values freedom of speech," the request to rent space for Spencer represents a "substantial risk to public safety."[/quote] [url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ohio-state-sued-refusal-white-nationalist-speak-50645877[/url]

I really wish the news media would start calling these shitheads what they actually are instead of this 'white nationalist' bollocks.

lmao, I mean what were they supposed to do? A request like that is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for PR purposes. if they hosted them, one side would be yelling about how a public institution is enabling/endorsing discrimination (very likely most of their own faculty and students would fall on this side), and if they didn't well, the other side yelled about free speech on public grounds and whatnot, and are now suing. imo the university's concerns about public safety could be valid given recent events. I don't know enough about it to draw a decent conclusion though.

Considering people are getting shot outside his events it's fair enough to tell him to fuck off

They should argue that his rallies bring danger of death, that make residents feel threatened and unsafe. White Nationalists frequently show up armed and flash their guns, which intimidates civilians and police alike.

And they are going to bitch out like they all do, and instead of fighting the case in court against Richard they'll just settle. These idiotic universities need to double-down if they are going to deny him. Take him to court, argue that he is dangerous, advocates hate-speech and violence, and is generally just not someone you want visiting. There is such an easy case against him, that he advocates violence (which he most certainly does, on purpose, even if it doesn't seem direct), and once you win, you can dump the legal fees on him instead of wasting [I]our,[/I] the students, money to make the problem go away as soon as possible. But no, continue to be a bunch of fucking idiots as always, University staff. Waste our god damn ridiculously priced tuition to give Richard Spencer free money because you idiots don't feel like dealing with the problem and just want it to go away.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52813215]I really wish the news media would start calling these shitheads what they actually are instead of this 'white nationalist' bollocks.[/QUOTE] What are they actually? Because if they talk like a skinhead, walk like a skinhead, then they're probably a skinhead.

They can deny whoever the fuck they want you should feel fucking lucky they even batted an eye.

[QUOTE=plunger435;52813269]What are they actually? Because if they talk like a skinhead, walk like a skinhead, then they're probably a skinhead.[/QUOTE] Neo-nazi is the term I'd like to see.

You know what a skinhead is in the non-european context, right? It's basically another term for a neo-nazi here in the states.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52813276]Neo-nazi is the term I'd like to see.[/QUOTE] They're not all Neo-Nazis, but they are all White Nationalists.

[QUOTE=kharkovus;52813245]lmao, I mean what were they supposed to do? A request like that is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for PR purposes. if they hosted them, one side would be yelling about how a public institution is enabling/endorsing discrimination (very likely most of their own faculty and students would fall on this side), and if they didn't well, the other side yelled about free speech on public grounds and whatnot, and are now suing. imo the university's concerns about public safety could be valid given recent events. I don't know enough about it to draw a decent conclusion though.[/QUOTE] I say the school should let them sue, drag out the process to the point where someone like spencer can't afford to continue to keep up with the suit. As I said in another thread related to an issue like this, [QUOTE=MR-X;52805213]The school has a priority and obligation to protect their students, so if a school decides to shut down his speech and denied his requests to use their campus they have every right too. If this is the type of people this guy attracts it is pretty obvious the school doesn't want gun wielding manics near them. Sorry bud, i believe in free speech too. But free speech only goes so far and people have the right to deny a space to someone if they want too. Don't try and make the contrast that denying a white nationalist a space to talk as being equal to a authoritative government. There should be no tolerance towards these people are they've proven to just be instigators. There is nothing to learn, they're ignorant and hateful people. Regardless of what political ideology hate and ignorance shouldn't be accepted. Giving them an outlet and letting them collect a following makes them dangerous. Why do we need to listen to people who spout about genocide, superiority, and other ignorant shit to understand them? These are very cut and dry topics.[/QUOTE] I personally don't believe any judge is going to allow a lawsuit that overrides student safety. I would also argue a school has a obligation to keep out anti-intellectual ideals.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52813298]They're not all Neo-Nazis, but they are all White Nationalists.[/QUOTE] There is no difference between the two. Any claims otherwise are misinformation to make neo-nazism more palatable.

[QUOTE=Judas;52813334]There is no difference between the two. Any claims otherwise are misinformation to make neo-nazism more palatable.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure its possible to support white nationalism without supporting the nazi party ideals to the letter, thats like saying anyone that embraces communism is a Stalinist. Like don't get me wrong they're all a bunch of tarts and there are actual neo-nazis around but neo-nazism is exactly that, supporting the nazi party circa 1940 in the modern day, not just having ideals similar to them.

[QUOTE=Judas;52813334]There is no difference between the two. Any claims otherwise are misinformation to make neo-nazism more palatable.[/QUOTE] Oh come now, this is like calling all rectangles squares. All Neo-Nazis are white nationalists, but not all white nationalists are Neo-Nazis. They're all fools in kin, but the white nationalist movement is far more encompassing.

Semantics don't matter. They're violent, racist dickheads and don't deserve any platform. It's completely bullshit that he can blackmail universities into receiving his hate speech rallies that endanger the students. They did the right thing yet the law gives assholes like him power to threaten them.

[QUOTE=plunger435;52813269]What are they actually? Because if they talk like a skinhead, walk like a skinhead, then they're probably a skinhead.[/QUOTE] hey don't bring skinheads into this, they didn't want to be tainted by nazi shitheads either

[QUOTE=plunger435;52813269]What are they actually? Because if they talk like a skinhead, walk like a skinhead, then they're probably a skinhead.[/QUOTE] The origins of the skinhead subculture are very different from neo-nazi shit, with them honestly originally being a working class hippie movement. And even nowadays there's anti-racist skinhead groups. They aren't automatically bad.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52813802]The origins of the skinhead subculture are very different from neo-nazi shit, with them honestly originally being a working class hippie movement. And even nowadays there's anti-racist skinhead groups. They aren't automatically bad.[/QUOTE]i've been in the same circles with the anti-racist skinheads - actually anti-prejucide in general - and they're great folks. i wish the distinction between them and the nazi scum ones was more widely known.

[QUOTE=Judas;52813334]There is no difference between the two. Any claims otherwise are misinformation to make neo-nazism more palatable.[/QUOTE] Neo-Nazis specifically follow Nazi ideology and often use their logos and praise their leaders, especially Hitler. White Nationalists don't all follow Nazi ideology or idolize Nazi Germany, a lot of them are just racist rednecks with no strong ties to Nazism. [editline]23rd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Loth;52813639]Semantics don't matter. They're violent, racist dickheads and don't deserve any platform.[/QUOTE] When you advocate for banning a group of people, semantics are [B]really fucking important.[/B] If you can't define what you want banned, you're going to end up with a lot of loopholes and unintended targets.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52814118]Neo-Nazis specifically follow Nazi ideology and often use their logos and praise their leaders, especially Hitler. White Nationalists don't all follow Nazi ideology or idolize Nazi Germany, a lot of them are just racist rednecks with no strong ties to Nazism.[/QUOTE] There's a lot less contrast between white nationalism and neo-nazism then there is between most white supremacist movements.