As ISIS territory shrinks, discovery of mass graves grow in Iraq - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]Iraqi security forces have found mass graves that could contain up to 400 bodies in an area recently retaken from the Islamic State group, an Iraqi official has said. The bodies of civilians and security forces were found in an abandoned base near Hawija, a northern town retaken in early October, the Kirkuk governor, Rakan Saed, said on Sunday. He did not say when authorities would start exhuming the bodies. [B]“Not less than 400 people were executed,”[/B] he said, adding that some were clad in the uniform of prisoners condemned to death [B]while others wore civilian clothing.[/B] Khalaf Luhaibi, a local shepherd who led troops to the site, said Isis brought captives to the area and [B]shot them or poured oil over them before setting them on fire. [/B]The area was strewn with torn clothing and what appeared to be human bones and skulls.[/quote] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/12/iraqi-forces-find-mass-graves-of-people-they-say-were-killed-by-isis[/url]

And it's shit like this that makes me resolve to the conclusion that any, if not every member of ISIS should be given the rope. Seriously, fuck them.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52884972]And it's shit like this that makes me resolve to the conclusion that any, if not every member of ISIS should be given the rope. Seriously, fuck them.[/QUOTE] A lot of them are forced to fight and some volunteer. Whilst what they are doing is what I believe to be wrong, they believe it to be right and there is where the issue lies. Should just be "given the rope" for fighting for something you believe in? (I am in no way commending what they have done.)

[QUOTE=Clive;52885115]A lot of them are forced to fight and some volunteer. Whilst what they are doing is what I believe to be wrong, they believe it to be right and there is where the issue lies. Should just be "given the rope" for fighting for something you believe in? (I am in no way commending what they have done.)[/QUOTE] So if I believe that killing people is right and I go on a murderous rampage, that makes it okay?

[QUOTE=Leestons;52885164]So if I believe that killing people is right and I go on a murderous rampage, that makes it okay?[/QUOTE] There is a really detailed article in theatlantic that outlines what they believe in and why they do what they do. Again as I said I am not commending what they do, at no point did I say it was okay but if you believed in something would you fight for it? Article: [url]https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/[/url]

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52884972]And it's shit like this that makes me resolve to the conclusion that any, if not every member of ISIS should be given the rope. Seriously, fuck them.[/QUOTE] This sort of blanket statement way of thought is exactly the way the extremists argue against "the west": Family member killed by military drone strike? Kill all Westerners. IMO you are not a signle bit further ahead in your way of thinking, just born of the other side.

[QUOTE=Clive;52885115]A lot of them are forced to fight and some volunteer. Whilst what they are doing is what I believe to be wrong, they believe it to be right and there is where the issue lies. Should just be "given the rope" for fighting for something you believe in? (I am in no way commending what they have done.)[/QUOTE] A lot of serial killers believe they're doing the right thing. Doesn't excuse their actions any less. Hold those accountable, don't let them off free.

[QUOTE=Clive;52885115]A lot of them are forced to fight and some volunteer. Whilst what they are doing is what I believe to be wrong, they believe it to be right and there is where the issue lies. Should just be "given the rope" for fighting for something you believe in? (I am in no way commending what they have done.)[/QUOTE] Kidnapped from your village and forced into fighting and performing atrocities due to threats of death or such? You could argue that's excusable to some degree if it can be proven (though that's what literally every captured ISIS fighter claims) Volunteering for ISIS? Yeah no unquestionably war criminals/terrorists, every one of them. Judge them as they should be judged.

If you volunteered you should absolutely be held responsible for your actions. If you were forced and made to fight otherwise you would be killed then its a little different, it's human nature to want to survive and I think almost everyone would fight instead of choosing death who should be held accountable for that?

[QUOTE=Wormy;52885276]I feel as if there is a huge big difference behind our way of thinking considering the terrorists ideology for taking innocent lives, so I do not really agree with that. Yes innocent people do tend to get killed in war from both sides, but are we really going to compare terrorists who kill in the name of God so they may enter paradise to people in the west?[/QUOTE] Yup, and not wanting to make the comparison is exactly what makes your line of thinking so similar. To you, they're a bunch of barbaric mass murderers who will kill you simply for their religion. To them, the west are heathen mass murderers who will kill them and destroy their religion. You and them are both looking at the worst acts commited by the other group and condemning all who are in any way related to it, without even considering individual actions or motivations.

[QUOTE=Clive;52885294]If you volunteered you should absolutely be held responsible for your actions. If you were forced and made to fight otherwise you would be killed then its a little different, it's human nature to want to survive and I think almost everyone would fight instead of choosing death who should be held accountable for that?[/QUOTE] Your initial wording implied volunteers didn't deserve punishment on grounds of fighting for what they believe in, though.

[QUOTE=Riller;52885296]Your initial wording implied volunteers didn't deserve punishment on grounds of fighting for what they believe in, though.[/QUOTE] Yeah I just read it back, it sounded clearer in my head. My mistake.

[QUOTE=Wormy;52885276]I feel as if there is a huge big difference behind our way of thinking considering the terrorists ideology for taking innocent lives, so I do not really agree with that. [/QUOTE] Where is that difference? [editline]13th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=KillaBEe;52885197]A lot of serial killers believe they're doing the right thing. Doesn't excuse their actions any less. Hold those accountable, don't let them off free.[/QUOTE] My granduncle was forced into the NVA of the GDR, guarded the Berlin wall and when people tried to flee there were always 3 guards on the tower. 2 for guarding the borderand pointing their guns at the border, one for pointing a gun at the other two. He shot and he missed targets on purpose. Do you think my uncle should have been accountable?

[QUOTE=Killuah;52885439]Where is that difference? [editline]13th November 2017[/editline] My granduncle was forced into the NVA of the GDR, guarded the Berlin wall and when people tried to flee there were always 3 guards on the tower. 2 for guarding the borderand pointing their guns at the border, one for pointing a gun at the other two. He shot and he missed targets on purpose. Do you think my uncle should have been accountable?[/QUOTE] You're assuming ISIS members are motivated by drone strikes without any basis.

No I was illustrating my point and it's not even in the post you quoted.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52884972]And it's shit like this that makes me resolve to the conclusion that any, if not every member of ISIS should be given the rope. Seriously, fuck them.[/QUOTE] Mass graves are really normal in war. At least they burried them. Some people don't bother, and I've read accounts of putting mutilated bodies up on display. [I]Human Forest[/I] was one particular that gets into memory. Civie clothes don't mean someone was a civilian in the type of war that's going on. They're a deplorable group, but [I]they bury their dead[/I] shouldn't elicit this response.

[QUOTE=The Jack;52887237]They're a deplorable group, but [I]they bury their dead[/I] shouldn't elicit this response.[/QUOTE] However, they don't bury them out of any sense of altruism to give them passage to whatever afterlife they believe in, they do it for the same reason you see mass graves anywhere - to hide the evidence and the cheapest way to do it is have nature take its course. That would be like assuming that tossing the gassed corpses of jews at concentration camps was the Germans attempts to give them a burial and that they cared about them enough to bury them. They didn't - it's just a cheap and easy way to dispose of a body out of eyesight of everyone.

[QUOTE=Killuah;52885195]This sort of blanket statement way of thought is exactly the way the extremists argue against "the west": Family member killed by military drone strike? Kill all Westerners. IMO you are not a signle bit further ahead in your way of thinking, just born of the other side.[/QUOTE] wew didn't know we had real live ISIS sympathizers right here on our very own facepunch I'd report you to the feds if I didn't already know you were a scrawny kid on an internet forum. Ha Ha. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shit post/Rude" - Asaratha))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Dysplasia;52888971]wew didn't know we had real live ISIS sympathizers right here on our very own facepunch I'd report you to the feds if I didn't already know you were a scrawny kid on an internet forum. Ha Ha.[/QUOTE] Ugh, don't resort to this, please he didn't even say he agreed with anything ISIS does

It's entirely possible to think ISIS are a deplorable group with inexcusable values and methods whilst also thinking that they're not purely being evil for the sake of being evil. There is a reason why their recruiting methods, until fairly recently, managed to recruit and even convert people from all over the world. To act like anybody who treats ISIS members as anything more than mindless video game drones who deserve to have their knackers torn off by badgers is [I]obviously[/I] just an ISIS sympathiser is certainly an example of the black-and-white morality that played a significant part in turning the war-torn areas of the Middle East into what they are today.

[QUOTE=The Jack;52887237]Mass graves are really normal in war. At least they burried them. Some people don't bother, and I've read accounts of putting mutilated bodies up on display. [I]Human Forest[/I] was one particular that gets into memory. Civie clothes don't mean someone was a civilian in the type of war that's going on. They're a deplorable group, but [I]they bury their dead[/I] shouldn't elicit this response.[/QUOTE] It explicitly states in the article that these were the bodies of people executed. How can you even give an inch in defending this.

[QUOTE=The Jack;52887237]Mass graves are really normal in war. At least they burried them. Some people don't bother, and I've read accounts of putting mutilated bodies up on display. [I]Human Forest[/I] was one particular that gets into memory. Civie clothes don't mean someone was a civilian in the type of war that's going on. They're a deplorable group, but [I]they bury their dead[/I] shouldn't elicit this response.[/QUOTE] This is some incredible spin right here