Alaska Cops Defend Their 'Right' to Sexual Contact With Sex Workers Before Arresting Them - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]There’s a heated debate going on right now in Alaska between the police department and sex workers’ rights advocates over a bill that would make it illegal for police officers to have sexual contact with sex workers before arresting them. If Alaska passes this bill, they’ll become the first state to outlaw any sexual contact between police and the people they’re investigating. Only two months ago, Michigan became the last state in the U.S. to make it illegal for police officers to sexually penetrate sex workers in the course of an investigation. Advocates of Alaska’s House Bill 73 and Senate Bill 112 say that police catching sex workers in the act by engaging with them sexually is a human rights violation, and Amnesty International has made an official statement supporting that claim: “Such conduct is an abuse of authority and in some instances amounts to rape and/or entrapment.” “It's incredibly traumatic to be tricked into having sex with someone who stops in the middle and puts you in handcuffs and takes you against your will to be locked up in a jail cell,” explained Terra Burns, one of the founders of Community United for Safety and Protection (CUSP), a group of current and former sex workers, sex trafficking victims, and allies working towards safety and protection for everyone in Alaska's sex trade. “Women have told me that years later they still have PTSD symptoms when they see a police car.”[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.glamour.com/story/alaska-cops-defend-sexual-contact-sex-workers-arrests[/url] [url]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://reason.com/archives/2017/05/25/cops-fight-for-the-right-to-sexually-exp&ved=0ahUKEwj7v__Ulo7VAhUByT4KHTDgD0kQqQIIKSgBMAQ&usg=AFQjCNG-ZOSqYGsupsVtKI9if83z54U0zA[/url] [url]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bustle.com/p/alaska-isnt-sure-if-undercover-cops-should-get-it-on-with-sex-workers-69173&ved=0ahUKEwj7v__Ulo7VAhUByT4KHTDgD0kQqQIIICgBMAE&usg=AFQjCNERPh2skSrBUurVy5HOj7OfpTzbLg[/url] Last two links are older articles that go on more about this.

Why would this even be legal in the first place, that's some fucked up bullshit

I'm surprised law enforcement would even risk doing that in the first place with regard to STDs. I really don't see how it's difficult or impossible to prove prostitution without law enforcement engaging in the act itself. [editline]16th July 2017[/editline] [quote]“Women have told me that years later they still have PTSD symptoms when they see a police car.”[/quote] Oh come on

Why is prostitution illegal there anyways? Having it legalised just makes it safer for everyone since the workers will actually have rights and not be in some shitty crackhouse

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;52474659]Why would this even be legal in the first place, that's some fucked up bullshit[/QUOTE] It's not that uncommon: [url]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5900d55de4b0af6d718ad48a/amp&ved=0ahUKEwjlwKflmo7VAhWEjz4KHV_VCKYQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNHqx2SKXS2qqSFQxMM5NxE_vnWe5g[/url] Michigan law allows police to have sex with prositutues. But i heard they are "trying" to fix that problem. Prositution in itself is a victimless crime. It being illegal and unregulated by the government cause sex trafficking, sex slavery, and it imprisions abused women who are actually victim themselves.

[QUOTE=WJS;52474743]Why is prostitution illegal there anyways? Having it legalised just makes it safer for everyone since the workers will actually have rights and not be in some shitty crackhouse[/QUOTE] so the police have an excuse to lock up more poor, desparate people

Why do we need to arrest sex workers again? If you absolutely need to arrest someone, arrest the clients, then provide the workers with resources to get out of the industry. Or just legalize it, bring it out of the dangerous criminal underground, regulate it, and make the whole thing safer for everyone involved.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52474731] Oh come on[/QUOTE] Being getting sent to prision after being practically raped by the police sounds like a good reason to have PTSD. I know people who done serious time in prision that are no longer engaged in criminal activity that are still afraid of the police. Some felt like they was wrongfully imprisioned and dont want it to happen again.

Man, fuck the police :vs:

[QUOTE=Thaggers;52474760]Why do we need to arrest sex workers again? If you absolutely need to arrest someone, arrest the clients, then provide the workers with resources to get out of the industry. Or just legalize it, bring it out of the dangerous criminal environment, regulate it, and make the whole thing safer for everyone involved.[/QUOTE] That would be logical reasoning which is not allowed in this country apperently. We still sent people to prision over shit like weed and recreational drug use and we only just allowed gays to marry a few years ago.

I can see where they're coming from, even if I don't agree with it. It would be pretty easy to incriminate sex workers by taking that method. Whatever your opinion of the legality of prostitution may be, it's illegal in every state except Nevada so police are obligated to crack down on it. I won't disagree that a less direct approach would probably be better.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52474749]It's not that uncommon: [url]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5900d55de4b0af6d718ad48a/amp&ved=0ahUKEwjlwKflmo7VAhWEjz4KHV_VCKYQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNHqx2SKXS2qqSFQxMM5NxE_vnWe5g[/url] Michigan law allows police to have sex with prositutues. But i heard they are "trying" to fix that problem. [/QUOTE] Look in your own OP snippet, it says Michigan has already passed that, last state to do so. So at least somethings moving forward to a degree.

[QUOTE=Levelog;52474795]Look in your own OP snippet, it says Michigan has already passed that, last state to do so. So at least somethings moving forward to a degree.[/QUOTE] Yes, but it is 2017. Its pretty upsetting cops were allow to do this for so long. I believe there is a much bigger problem the fact thay the police WOULD do this not just the fact they were ALLOW to do so.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52474809]Yes, but it is 2017. Its pretty upsetting cops were allow to do this for so long. I believe there is a much bigger problem the fact thay the police WOULD do this not just the fact they were ALLOW to do so.[/QUOTE] Honestly any officer who does this deserves a broken jaw nevermind dismissal from the force. It's blatant entrapment but with a whole heap of other disturbing implications thrown on top.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;52474862]Honestly any officer who does this deserves a broken jaw nevermind dismissal from the force. It's blatant entrapment but with a whole heap of other disturbing implications thrown on top.[/QUOTE] These kind of things are not only done by just one officer. There is also backup police ready to close in on the arrest and overseeing superior(s). It is also not uncommon for female cops having to act as undercover prositutes before even having a day on patrol. But just fucking why? Prostitutes are willing to do it, Johns are willing to pay for it... it's the definition of consent and probably the foundation of contracts [citation needed]. I get that people find it immoral... but who the fuck cares? and everything we try to do about it is far more immoral. I mean really, is randomly fucking up some drunk horny guy's life actually helping anything? Does anybody think that putting a prostitution arrest on a woman's record is going to help her out of the situation that drove her to prostitution? It's not, it's only preventing her from getting a decent paying legitimate job effectively pressuring her to remain a prostitute. We're not fighting prostitution by criminalizing it. It's called the "oldest profession" because it's been around since we have, and it will continue to exist so long as we do. All our morality has managed to do on the subject is push it into the unregulated black market, and all our efforts to crack down it have only managed to randomly ruin some people's lives. No I've never paid for sex. I'm just offended that my tax dollars are being spent on the police ruining, and further ruining, people's lives. Not to mention a large percentage of sex works report abuse from the police: [url]http://www.sexworkersproject.org/downloads/RevolvingDoor.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=Thaggers;52474760]Why do we need to arrest sex workers again? If you absolutely need to arrest someone, arrest the clients, then provide the workers with resources to get out of the industry. Or just legalize it, bring it out of the dangerous criminal underground, regulate it, and make the whole thing safer for everyone involved.[/QUOTE] What evidence is there that legalizing prostitution (which will eventually result in its taxation) will end underground (and tax free) prostitution? What evidence is there that pimps won't continue to force young, poor, or troubled women into that industry with abuse after it is legalized? If you want to end the bad things associated with prostitution, simply legalizing it is not a cure-all. It will just be a band-aid.

Prostitution is going to exist whether it's legal or not... but if was legal we could regulate it and reduce the abuse of prostitutes and the spread of STDs.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52475079]Prostitution is going to exist whether it's legal or not... but if was legal we could regulate it and reduce the abuse of prostitutes and the spread of STDs.[/QUOTE] It's legal here and they've gotta have check up fairly reguarlly to prevent the spread of STDs.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52475060]What evidence is there that legalizing prostitution (which will eventually result in its taxation) will end underground (and tax free) prostitution? What evidence is there that pimps won't continue to force young, poor, or troubled women into that industry with abuse after it is legalized? If you want to end the bad things associated with prostitution, simply legalizing it is not a cure-all. It will just be a band-aid.[/QUOTE] What is with the attitude that if something doesn't entirely solve a problem, it isn't worth doing at all? Of course there will still be people who abuse the system or continue to operate illegally, just like people sell illegal alcohol, cigarettes and guns, that doesn't mean keeping it illegal is a better option.

Isn't this literally the plot of a South Park episode? Christ, America.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;52475079]Prostitution is going to exist whether it's legal or not... but if was legal we could regulate it and reduce the abuse of prostitutes and the spread of STDs.[/QUOTE] I don't think literally anybody is saying that prostitution won't exist if it's illegal. The two "problems" related to whether it should be illegal are: A. Is prostitution bad/harmful for society/people? and if that's true B. Will making it illegal allow us to reduce its occurrence/associated externalities.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52475060]What evidence is there that legalizing prostitution (which will eventually result in its taxation) will end underground (and tax free) prostitution? What evidence is there that pimps won't continue to force young, poor, or troubled women into that industry with abuse after it is legalized? If you want to end the bad things associated with prostitution, simply legalizing it is not a cure-all. It will just be a band-aid.[/QUOTE] Operating legally, even with taxes, will likely be cheaper than operating illegally because there is a much higher risk that comes with operating illegally, which drives up costs. The illegal option may still exist, but it's viability and client base will be greatly reduced by a safer and likely cheaper alternative.

That is some pretty bizarre logic if you ask me. Woman has sex with anyone she wants on a whim - Sure, fine. Woman has sex with whoever she wants on a whim and charges money for it - WHOA NOW MISSY SLOW THE FUCK DOWN WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING?!

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52475060]What evidence is there that legalizing prostitution (which will eventually result in its taxation) will end underground (and tax free) prostitution? What evidence is there that pimps won't continue to force young, poor, or troubled women into that industry with abuse after it is legalized? If you want to end the bad things associated with prostitution, simply legalizing it is not a cure-all. It will just be a band-aid.[/QUOTE] I'd argue it's better to regulate and tax the shit out of it instead of leaving vulnerable people involved in the sex trade feeling unable to look for support for fear of being criminally charged. It's not going to hurt anyone more by legalising it than if it was left as is.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52475231]I don't think literally anybody is saying that prostitution won't exist if it's illegal. The two "problems" related to whether it should be illegal are: A. Is prostitution bad/harmful for society/people? and if that's true B. Will making it illegal allow us to reduce its occurrence/associated externalities.[/QUOTE] The problem is that prostitution is the kind of industry that barely even gets hampered by being illegal. It exists in [i]every[/i] state and [i]every[/i] city, big or small, in the entire country. And it's still illegal. Doesn't seem to stop anything, now does it? Now if we made it legal and required businesses to have certain permits and regulations and other costs, many of the current prostitution rings would simply go out of business even if they were willing to perform legally. And the taxes from making it legal would pay for cracking down on the illegal. That's how it works. So if we legalize it, would could end up diminishing it in a way since the upstart costs could be a very real barrier to entry into the industry. [editline]16th July 2017[/editline] And let us suppose that prostitution is actually inherently bad for society, which is utterly absurd mind you: by legalizing it we would still prevent the spread of STD's and destroying money and lifelines to criminal networks and human trafficking rings. Is prostitution [i]really[/i] so bad that removing just a small bit of it is worth increasing STD's and allowing criminal networks to flourish?

IMHO, the best system is the swedish model of prostitution. It makes it illegal to PURCHASE a prostitute, but its legal to prostitute.

My question in all of this is [I]what is the point of the act that it is breaking a law?[/I] Would it be the penetration, the money exchange, or the conversation? I personally think it's wrong to get benefit from the investigation. If it's when you stick your dick in is when the act becomes illegal then I could understand why they're angry. Either way, amend your laws to make your job easier and stop fucking prostitutes lmao.

[QUOTE=Flameon;52475380]IMHO, the best system is the swedish model of prostitution. It makes it illegal to PURCHASE a prostitute, but its legal to prostitute.[/QUOTE] I'd prefer an approach where it's legal to do both, but pimping is illegal.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52475346]The problem is that prostitution is the kind of industry that barely even gets hampered by being illegal. It exists in [I]every[/I] state and [I]every[/I] city, big or small, in the entire country. And it's still illegal. Doesn't seem to stop anything, now does it? Now if we made it legal and required businesses to have certain permits and regulations and other costs, many of the current prostitution rings would simply go out of business even if they were willing to perform legally. And the taxes from making it legal would pay for cracking down on the illegal. That's how it works. So if we legalize it, would could end up diminishing it in a way since the upstart costs could be a very real barrier to entry into the industry. [editline]16th July 2017[/editline] And let us suppose that prostitution is actually inherently bad for society, which is utterly absurd mind you: by legalizing it we would still prevent the spread of STD's and destroying money and lifelines to criminal networks and human trafficking rings. Is prostitution [I]really[/I] so bad that removing just a small bit of it is worth increasing STD's and allowing criminal networks to flourish?[/QUOTE] I wasn't exactly saying that it is bad or whether making it illegal really allows it to be reduced, I was just saying that being able to eliminate completely or not isn't really relevant. I don't really have answers to either of those since I don't have enough information. You're making quite an assumption that making it legal and throwing up a large barrier will actually work, the black market is pretty happy to provide if it winds up being out of reach of johns. And even safety-wise, despite porn being legal it's still often a quite nasty industry for people to work on. This doesn't mean that overall you can't shrink prostitution by making it legal and regulating it, but saying definitively that you can is quite an assumption.

[QUOTE=WJS;52474743]Why is prostitution illegal there anyways? Having it legalised just makes it safer for everyone since the workers will actually have rights and not be in some shitty crackhouse[/QUOTE] I can understand some of the wariness around prostitution, even today. A lot of it is tied to the more criminal elements of the sex trade; trafficking, slavery, etc. But if someone is willingly wanting to be a sex worker, with zero coercion from the outside, it really shouldn't be a problem to be honest.