FCC’s claim that one ISP counts as “competition” faces scrutiny in court - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]A Federal Communications Commission decision to eliminate price caps imposed on some business broadband providers should be struck down, advocacy groups told federal judges last week. The FCC failed to justify its claim that a market can be competitive even when there is only one Internet provider, the groups said. Led by Chairman Ajit Pai, the FCC's Republican majority voted in April of this year to eliminate price caps in a county if 50 percent of potential customers "are within a half mile of a location served by a competitive provider." That means business customers with just one choice are often considered to be located in a competitive market and thus no longer benefit from price controls. The decision affects Business Data Services (BDS), a dedicated, point-to-point broadband link that is delivered over copper-based TDM networks by incumbent phone companies like AT&T, Verizon, and CenturyLink. But the FCC's claim that "potential competition" can rein in prices even in the absence of competition doesn't stand up to legal scrutiny, critics of the order say.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/fccs-claim-that-one-isp-counts-as-competition-faces-scrutiny-in-court/"]Source[/URL]

mono-poly indeed (not the etymology)

Bring Tom Wheeler back, Ajit can go suck a dick.

Good. I think one of the main principles of capitalism is competition. If there is none, consumers can't get the best deal which companies are supposed to fight for, this is supposed to be what capitalism is good for. If it isn't, then what good is capitalism?

So if I'm interpreting this right if there's another ISP "within" your area that you can't get and the only the ISP that's available at your address can just fucking jack prices to hell? Fuck you pai.

Good on Pai for STANDING UP to the AMERICAN WAY that the FOUNDING FATHERS INTENDED Washington himself said that ISP's need to have absolute control over the internet, and that no competition is true competition, so this is the clear direction that we should be headed!

You can't have competition in a monopoly, because you literally have nobody to compete against. If you consistently crush the opposition before they can even get their feet off the ground, you can charge whatever the fuck you want. Fuck you, Ajit Pai, you corporate puppet.

"Monopolies aren't monopolies" - Ajit Pai, corporate buttslut

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52810489]Ajit Pai can suck everyone’s dick if he’s gonna start spouting that kind of shit.[/QUOTE] If we have one single man sucking everyones dick, that's competition [editline]22nd October 2017[/editline] Ajit Pai for americas first offical cum dumpster

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52810489]Ajit Pai can suck everyone’s dick if he’s gonna start spouting that kind of shit.[/QUOTE] I ain't letting that bastard anywhere near my dick. He'll probably bite it off, sell it to corporations, and then claim it's in my best interest as a consumer.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52810787]What have I done...[/QUOTE] You have created a new monopoly, of which one man partakes a mission that has never been done before..

[QUOTE=Sombrero;52810347]So if I'm interpreting this right if there's another ISP "within" your area that you can't get and the only the ISP that's available at your address can just fucking jack prices to hell? Fuck you pai.[/QUOTE] His (bad) reasoning is that if the "border monopoly" company jacks their prices up to shit, the other guy can build out their network and offer service at a lower price, eliminating the monopoly. Except that's not what fucking happens, because both companies can just sit happily on their ass and jack the prices up in their own territories for higher profits than they would get from competing. They are not stupid. That's how monopolies [i]happen[/i].

I remember living in a small town in Iowa where the only ISP was mediacom. An "ok" internet speed cost like $70/month.

I find it pretty strange how the nation that invented the technology has like the shittiest infrastructure for it, all because a bunch of greedy cunts have established an oligarchy It's a broken system man

[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;52810620]I ain't letting that bastard anywhere near my dick. He'll probably bite it off, sell it to corporations, and then claim it's in my best interest as a consumer.[/QUOTE] thats why you scoop all of the teeth out and have him suck you off with gums

Ashit pie can go fuck himself, what a scumbag of a human

Its pretty bad that we can have the head of the FCC be a blatant corporate banana mongler and nothing be done about it.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;52811026]I find it pretty strange how the nation that invented the technology has like the shittiest infrastructure for it, all because a bunch of greedy cunts have established an oligarchy It's a broken system man[/QUOTE] Oddly enough in the pre-breakup days, the US had the best telecom infrastructure by leaps and bounds. It did cost more than other systems, but the service you got was much better. Now it just costs more for shit service, thanks.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;52811972]Oddly enough in the pre-breakup days, the US had the best telecom infrastructure by leaps and bounds. It did cost more than other systems, but the service you got was much better. Now it just costs more for shit service, thanks.[/QUOTE] US companies still have some of the best, if not the best, infrastructure for internet and telecom. They just don't use it. So say you're AT&T and you have the infrastructure in place to provide Bigcity with gigabit speeds, but you have no competition in Bigcity that can also provide gigabit speeds (or you guys colluded to not do so) so why would you? You can sell your 100 megabit package at the same price as your gigabit package and it uses only 1/10th of the resources but is being sold at the same price. It makes business sense not to do it. This is something we found out very quickly when Google Fiber became a thing. Because all these big telecom companies [i]finally[/i] had competition, they had to start [i]finally[/i] selling gigabit packages where the profit margins aren't as insane as their lower speed-higher priced packages. Competition drove development of better tech and wider coverage, and cheaper prices. This is why competition is important for things like telecom and internet. Without competition, you get monopolies over certain areas where they can provide you overpriced, but shitty, service. Your only option is to either move to a different area where theres a different provider (whose going to fuck you just as hard) or cancel all together.

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;52810987]I remember living in a small town in Iowa where the only ISP was mediacom. An "ok" internet speed cost like $70/month.[/QUOTE] I live in a little Bumshart, New Mexico town just west of the Texas border, and the only ISPs I had to choose from when I moved into my apartment were either Cox (ew), Comcast (double ew) or SuddenLink (ew...?), so I went with Suddenlink. $65 a month for 15/2 internet, where I was lucky to get even half of those speeds on a good day. Constant disconnects, lag issues, and on top of that, because it was co-ax, my stupid neighbors assumed they could get free cable off of my connection (TWO apartments tried to mooch off of it at one time, and one of the guys who tried to make the connection clearly had no idea what he was doing, as the tool that I found (which I can safely assume he used) was [I]half of a pair of scissors[/I], the center conductor was 2-3 inches long, and the braided shielding was making contact with [I]fucking everything[/I]). Now a new, local ISP (Plateau Telecomm) has branched into high-speed fiber, with speeds up to 1Gbps, for $70 a month. Suddenlink responded by offering speeds up to 250Mbps, but it came with one of their bullshit bundles for $150/month. Competition is [I]fucking good[/I]. If you can't compete by legit offering a better service, then you're probably in the wrong business.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52812433]I live in a little Bumshart, New Mexico town just west of the Texas border, and the only ISPs I had to choose from when I moved into my apartment were either Cox (ew), Comcast (double ew) or SuddenLink (ew...?), so I went with Suddenlink. $65 a month for 15/2 internet, where I was lucky to get even half of those speeds on a good day. Constant disconnects, lag issues, and on top of that, because it was co-ax, my stupid neighbors assumed they could get free cable off of my connection (TWO apartments tried to mooch off of it at one time, and one of the guys who tried to make the connection clearly had no idea what he was doing, as the tool that I found (which I can safely assume he used) was [I]half of a pair of scissors[/I], the center conductor was 2-3 inches long, and the braided shielding was making contact with [I]fucking everything[/I]). Now a new, local ISP (Plateau Telecomm) has branched into high-speed fiber, with speeds up to 1Gbps, for $70 a month. Suddenlink responded by offering speeds up to 250Mbps, but it came with one of their bullshit bundles for $150/month. Competition is [I]fucking good[/I]. If you can't compete by legit offering a better service, then you're probably in the wrong business.[/QUOTE] Hey, don't say ew to cox from the past. Before they started acting like every other ISP they were actually pretty decent.

[QUOTE]its claim that a market can be competitive even when there is only one Internet provider[/QUOTE] I just lost a few brain cells reading that. That is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52812454]Hey, don't say ew to cox from the past. Before they started acting like every other ISP they were actually pretty decent.[/QUOTE] If "the past" was <5 years ago, then my point stands. Around here they've always been "ew", though.

Up until they started implementing data caps (which happened like last year) they provided the most stable service with higher speeds for cheaper in my area. I always forget just how weird the ISP situation is in the US, the same ISP can be so different depending on where you live.

[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52812533]Up until they started implementing data caps (which happened like last year) they provided the most stable service with higher speeds for cheaper in my area. I always forget just how weird the ISP situation is in the US, the same ISP can be so different depending on where you live.[/QUOTE] I have Comcast, and even though my package is the 75/15, I'm constantly getting 80+, and it doesn't drop or anything unless there is a bigger problem like an outage if someone hit one of their boxes or something. My experience has actually been good.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52812538]I have Comcast, and even though my package is the 75/15, I'm constantly getting 80+, and it doesn't drop or anything unless there is a bigger problem like an outage if someone hit one of their boxes or something. My experience has actually been good.[/QUOTE] You probably live in an area where not a lot of people have Comcast. They basically throttle entire neighborhoods at a time depending on the data usage. In cities Comcast is cancer because during peak hours you lose 70-90% of your download speed

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52812693]You probably live in an area where not a lot of people have Comcast. They basically throttle entire neighborhoods at a time depending on the data usage. In cities Comcast is cancer because during peak hours you lose 70-90% of your download speed[/QUOTE] I'm in Augusta, and there are a lot of people around here with comcast, and a lot in my apartment complex. IDK why I seem to be the outlier.

One football team on the field counts as competition.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;52811026]I find it pretty strange how the nation that invented the technology has like the shittiest infrastructure for it, all because a bunch of greedy cunts have established an oligarchy It's a broken system man[/QUOTE] Tim Berners-Lee invented the internet, was born in Britain. Unless you are on about the invention of ISP's then I have no idea

[QUOTE=joshthesmith;52813118]Tim Berners-Lee invented the internet, was born in Britain. Unless you are on about the invention of ISP's then I have no idea[/QUOTE] He created the World Wide Web, which is accessed via the internet.