Majority Of White Americans Say They Face Discrimination - Sensationalist Headlines

[t]https://i.imgur.com/e3PREJh.png[/t] [url]http://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-americans-think-theyre-discriminated-against[/url] [quote]A majority of whites say discrimination against them exists in America today, according to a poll released Tuesday from NPR, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. "If you apply for a job, they seem to give the blacks the first crack at it," said 68-year-old Tim Hershman of Akron, Ohio, "and, basically, you know, if you want any help from the government, if you're white, you don't get it. If you're black, you get it." More than half of whites — 55 percent — surveyed say they face discrimination on the job, in education and in a variety of other ways. Hershman's view is similar to what was heard on the campaign trail at Trump rally after Trump rally. Donald Trump catered to white grievance during the 2016 presidential campaign and has done so as president as well. Notable, however, is that while a majority of whites in the poll say discrimination against them exists, a much smaller percentage say that they have actually experienced it. Also important to note is that 84 percent of whites believe discrimination exists against racial and ethnic minorities in America today.[/quote]

It seems that people, in an attempt to be more tolerant to other races, forget to be tolerant to all races.

So 36% of white americans say discrimination against them because they are white exists but also say that they have never actually experienced it Bravo? And, i guess it's no surprise, after Trump's campaigning and election. it was pretty much the cornerstone of his support base rallying.

Just came here to comment on the misleading scales. 0% to 60%, really? Its a percentage. Its out of 100%. This is some yellow journalism style bs.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816627]So 36% of white americans say discrimination against them because they are white exists but also say that they have never actually experienced it[/QUOTE] I wonder who else this reminds me of

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816627]So 36% of white americans say discrimination against them because they are white exists but also say that they have never actually experienced it Bravo? And, i guess it's no surprise, after Trump's campaigning and election. it was pretty much the cornerstone of his support base rallying.[/QUOTE] Trump didn't cause it, he just used it to his advantage. Social Justice indirectly put Trump into the white house.

The phrase "white fragility" comes to mind

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52816709]The phrase "white fragility" comes to mind[/QUOTE] Phrases like that are not helping things at all.

I think this is the damage BLM has done [I](Not saying the alt-right hasn't done more or less damage, PS)[/I]. I've come across people who blame "White" people for everything wrong in the world and forget that that statement alone is racist [I](Or even think that it can't be racist)[/I]. I don't understand why everyone just can't be colorblind. Set an example by not being a racist piece of shit yourself, and then work to support everyone who needs assistance.

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52816728]Phrases like that are not helping things at all.[/QUOTE] The fact that most of these people say the think whites are discriminated against AND have not experienced it themselves illustrates a disconnect from reality and ignorance of the kind of racial discrimination that people actually experience in their lives.

[QUOTE=V12US;52816705]Trump didn't cause it, he just used it to his advantage. Social Justice indirectly put Trump into the white house.[/QUOTE] To clarify: i guess it's no surprise that the number is that high, after Trump's campaigning and election popularized and spread around the idea of white Americans under attack from progressive notions. it was pretty much the cornerstone of his support base rallying [QUOTE=Apollo2947;52816644]Just came here to comment on the misleading scales. 0% to 60%, really? Its a percentage. Its out of 100%. This is some yellow journalism style bs.[/QUOTE] lmao are you assuming the number is being misrepresented and is actually 55/60 or 91.7%? It's still 55%, they're just showing the relevant end of the chart for visual's sake

The difference is one group are a vocal minority of idiots on the internet, vs a larger minority of real world, often violent racists

55% is absurd, but it would be wrong to say discrimination against people for being white doesn't exist at all. "Socially aware" people can harbour pretty heavy prejudices too.

This study doesn't really seem to have much merit as its based upon subjective, and more importantly, anecdotal statements. I don't doubt that there is atleast some amount of discrimination against white people (there's always some level of discrimination against any group of people) but I think a good chunk of this is overblown. In part due to not only Trump's powerbase (Can there be a Godwin's Law for Trump?) but probably some reprocussive pangs from white people who didn't agree with the civil rights age. Its hard to measure social inequality and even though we have EEO laws, its sometimes hard to prove violations against them. I think there ought to be more conclusive studies than just what boils down to an opinion poll.

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52816766]This study doesn't really seem to have much merit as its based upon subjective, and more importantly, anecdotal statements. I don't doubt that there is atleast some amount of discrimination against white people (there's always some level of discrimination against any group of people) but I think a good chunk of this is overblown. In part due to not only Trump's powerbase (Can there be a Godwin's Law for Trump?) but probably some reprocussive pangs from white people who didn't agree with the civil rights age. Its hard to measure social inequality and even though we have EEO laws, its sometimes hard to prove violations against them. I think there ought to be more conclusive studies than just what boils down to an opinion poll.[/QUOTE] That, and it's hard to come up with a solid solution based on numbers however reliable they are

I think all races face discrimination, just some a lot more than others. To say white people are completely free of discrimination and racism would be absurd. It's just not something the average white person faces daily, or something that keeps a majority of white people from upward mobility.

[QUOTE=OvB;52816777]I think all races face discrimination, just some a lot more than others. To say white people are completely free of discrimination and racism would be absurd. It's just not something the average white person faces daily, or something that keeps a majority of white people from upward mobility.[/QUOTE] It's not so much racism against any group we should be trying to eliminate, moreso the racial divide in general I think

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52816747]I think this is the damage BLM has done. I've come across people who blame "White" people for everything wrong in the world and forget that that statement alone is racist. I don't understand why everyone just can't be colorblind. Set an example by not being a racist piece of shit yourself.[/QUOTE] Really? Black Lives Matter caused this increase in numbers? Seriously? Not, y'know, the campaigning of a grandstanding white American Republican who deliberately encouraged and reinforced his base's fears that they were victims of immigration policies and anti-white-man boogeymen? And then, his subsequent election, which validated all of those beliefs as being socially acceptable? And, being 'colorblind' is a terrible idea, not only because it doesn't work (from what i've seen), but because it assumes that race/ethnicity is not something you should even acknowledge. It also tends to be used the most by people who don't acknowledge the existence of non-conscious bias--which is something you cannot ignore and expect to be fixed.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816787]Really? Black Lives Matter caused this increase in numbers? Seriously? Not, y'know, the campaigning of a grandstanding white American Republican who deliberately encouraged and reinforced his base's fears that they were victims of immigration policies and anti-white-man boogeymen? And then, his subsequent election, which validated all of those beliefs as being socially acceptable? And, being 'colorblind' is a terrible idea, not only because it doesn't work (from what i've seen), but because it assumes that race/ethnicity is not something you should even acknowledge. It also tends to be used the most by people who don't acknowledge the existence of non-conscious bias--which is something you cannot ignore and expect to be fixed.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying ignore racism, I'm saying that being racist as a response to racism is wrong. BLM put a lot of people into the spotlight who in no uncertain terms hate white people. It didn't make life harder for white people, but it certainly made it a bigger talking point which I'm sure contributed to these numbers. It says right in this report that people say there's racism against white people but don't experience it. Sounds like they're seeing shit in the news, no? I am a progressive liberal and disagree with everything the GOP is doing. I think poor and/or less fortunate people need serious support in this country, I just choose not to apply a color to who those people are.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816787]Really? Black Lives Matter caused this increase in numbers? Seriously? Not, y'know, the campaigning of a grandstanding white American Republican who deliberately encouraged and reinforced his base's fears that they were victims of immigration policies and anti-white-man boogeymen? And then, his subsequent election, which validated all of those beliefs as being socially acceptable? And, being 'colorblind' is a terrible idea, not only because it doesn't work (from what i've seen), but because it assumes that race/ethnicity is not something you should even acknowledge. It also tends to be used the most by people who don't acknowledge the existence of non-conscious bias--which is something you cannot ignore and expect to be fixed.[/QUOTE] I'm curious as to what use acknowledging race has

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52816795]I'm not saying ignore racism, I'm saying that being racist as a response to racism is wrong. BLM put a lot of people into the spotlight who in no uncertain terms hate white people. It didn't make life harder for white people, but it certainly made it a bigger talking point which I'm sure contributed to these numbers. It says right in this report that people say there's racism against white people but don't experience it. Sounds like they're seeing shit in the news, no? I am a progressive liberal and disagree with everything the GOP is doing. I think poor and/or less fortunate people need serious support in this country, I just choose not to apply a color to who those people are.[/QUOTE] What i objected to is that you jumped straight to BLM, and seemed to blame it on its own for the increase in numbers, and not the decisions by the officials of the right to react to it in a hostile and fearmongering way, which colored the reactions of all their supporters. Not to mention, the bigger and more prominent causes like the presidential election season and all of Trump's speeches and comments regarding race which, I believe, were the strongest cause in reinforcing white people's fears of being attacked. I get what you're saying about interpreting cases of injustice based on race, but being blind to folks' skin color or ethnicity isn't the best way to go. It ignores that a lot of these problems are set upon them because of their skin. In order to help reduce the obstacles and give support to the underprivileged who are of color, you need to acknowledge and work to change the systemic racism in this country. [QUOTE=SIRIUS;52816833]I'm curious as to what use acknowledging race has[/QUOTE] A white family in West Virginian Appalachian country that suffers from poor health care coverage and a lack of passable infrastructure that inhibits mobility needs their issues addressed, and to address them, you need to focus on improving health care coverage and building better roads, bridges, public transit, etc. A black family in the adjacent neighborhood also suffers from these issues, but compounded by the institutional racism that results in favoring the assistance and improvement of neighborhoods where white folks have a majority, and the comparable lack of representation of black Americans in any health care overhaul bills put out by local politicians. If you're colorblind, you're not going to see and therefore investigate these issues that are specific to folks of color that don't always apply to white people. We all face different problems, and if some people face arbitrarily worse conditions because they don't have lighter skin, we shouldn't go in trying to help them without factoring that into account.

We need less agitators on both sides, and more communicators. In todays connected world where a post or livestream can get shared to thousands in seconds, its usually the most controversial thing that gets seen the most. There are good ideas and messages out there but it seems like people take the message of the communicators and abuse it to create agitators. Then the media takes hold of that abused message and recycles it as the main message. And then opposition takes that and runs and spreads fear about why that's bad. and then you get quotes like this: [quote] "If you apply for a job, they seem to give [I]the blacks[/I] the first crack at it," said 68-year-old Tim Hershman of Akron, Ohio, "and, basically, you know, if you want any help from the government, if you're white, you don't get it. If you're black, you get it."[/quote] Everyone just needs to chill.

Ok, yeah, some BLM supporters said some rough shit about how they feel about white people. That's hurtful, sure. But realistically, what actual discrimination do white people face that's at all comparable to the shit that people of color, women, transgender, or gay people get? A black person saying "fuck white people" doesn't have anywhere close to the same impact as an unarmed black dude getting shot by a cop because prejudices lead them to make a call based on some thought, conscious or otherwise, that the black guy was just inherently dangerous. It doesn't have the same impact as a woman getting raped and then facing a bunch of crap like "well, you shouldn't have worn that, dumb bitch," or a trans kid getting bullied or murdered for being trans.

[QUOTE=OvB;52816845]We need less agitators on both sides, and more communicators. In todays connected world where a post or livestream can get shared to thousands in seconds, its usually the most controversial thing that gets seen the most. There are good ideas and messages out there but it seems like people take the message of the communicators and abuse it to create agitators. Then the media takes hold of that abused message and recycles it as the main message. And then opposition takes that and runs and spreads fear about why that's bad. and then you get quotes like this: Everyone just needs to chill.[/QUOTE] What I get from that quote is that social services are lacking, period. People only look for scapegoats when there is a problem, and while scapegoating is wrong, the problem often goes un-noticed and unresolved.

Like can you honestly say that you feel at a disadvantage because of comments made about white people? We get to just walk away from it lol

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816841]What i objected to is that you jumped straight to BLM, and seemed to blame it on its own for the increase in numbers, and not the decisions by the officials of the right to react to it in a hostile and fearmongering way, which colored the reactions of all their supporters. Not to mention, the bigger and more prominent causes like the presidential election season and all of Trump's speeches and comments regarding race which, I believe, were the strongest cause in reinforcing white people's fears of being attacked.[/QUOTE] I can see that. I added some comments to my first post after you had already quoted me to help make it clearer that I wasn't only blaming BLM.

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52816747]I think this is the damage BLM has done [I](Not saying the alt-right hasn't done more or less damage, PS)[/I]. I've come across people who blame "White" people for everything wrong in the world and forget that that statement alone is racist. I don't understand why everyone just can't be colorblind. Set an example by not being a racist piece of shit yourself, and then work to support everyone who needs assistance.[/QUOTE] No one is truly colorblind to race. We're influenced by factors we can't control that shape many - obviously not all - of our views on it. This doesn't mean we're all hopelessly racist, or that real racists have no control over their views, or anything that extreme, it just means accepting that our brains make associations we can't really help. [URL="https://www.brookings.edu/research/awareness-reduces-racial-bias/"]It's important to recognize them if you want to keep your biases in check.[/URL]

[QUOTE=OvB;52816777]I think all races face discrimination, just some a lot more than others. To say white people are completely free of discrimination and racism would be absurd. It's just not something the average white person faces daily, or something that keeps a majority of white people from upward mobility.[/QUOTE] Yep. [I]Technically[/I] the phrase "does discrimination against white people exist" is true. But the [I]implication[/I] - being that discrimination against white people exists [I]on any meaningful, widespread, and harmful scale[/I] - is false. Now, I don't doubt that there are a large number of morons who think white genocide is a thing. However, if you changed the wording in the questions and redid the poll, you would see different results. How different, I can't say. I hope it would be by a lot, but part of me expects it would only differ a tiny bit. The poll even had this question: [quote](Asked only of those who said that they believe discrimination against their own group exists) Q2. When it comes to discrimination against (Respondent's own group identity) in America today, which do you think is the bigger problem? -Discrimination based in the prejudice of individual people -both equally -Discrimination based on laws and government policies[/quote] And 61% of the white people who said "discrimination exists against white people" said individual prejudice was the bigger problem. They didn't include a possible answer of whether that was the [I]only[/I] problem, or whether the individual prejudice existed on a large scale. Furthermore, we have another technicallity vs implication situation with the law discrimination. Affirmative action laws, going by the definition of "differentiate", do discriminate. They only work by discriminating between groups. But going by the definition of [I]unjustly[/I] differentiate, they [I]don't[/I].

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52816787]Really? Black Lives Matter caused this increase in numbers? Seriously? Not, y'know, the campaigning of a grandstanding white American Republican who deliberately encouraged and reinforced his base's fears that they were victims of immigration policies and anti-white-man boogeymen? And then, his subsequent election, which validated all of those beliefs as being socially acceptable?[/QUOTE] And where do you think those fears came from?

[thumb]https://i.imgur.com/e3PREJh.png[/thumb] really this reminds me of one quite big issue women and people of color have too. We can see with very good empirical evidence that racist/sexist bias exists in hiring and that history has left massive endemic problems in certain populations as well. But when a lot of people fail to get a job, admissions, etc. they want to find excuses. Often they might even be right, but it's super difficult to prove on an individual level. So because of that it's not really surprising that social justice has fed into these ideas and Trump. These are super fucking difficult issues and even if SJWs weren't as reactive as lithium we'd probably experience the same surge in white identity politics.