[India] <60 children in hospital dead due to unpaid oxygen bills. - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/13/at-least-60-children-die-in-five-days-because-hospitals-oxygen-supply-was-cut-off-6849598/[/url] [quote=excerpt]An Indian hospital chief has been suspended after at least 64 children died because the oxygen supply reportedly was cut off over unpaid bills. The state government in Uttar Pradesh, in north India, suspended Rajeev Misra, head of the state-run Baba Raghav Das Medical College Hospital, late on Saturday and ordered an urgent investigation. The children – including 34 infants – died partly because a private supplier cut the supply of oxygen because their bills had gone unpaid. Heartbreaking photos have emerged showing distraught parents grieving over their dead babies and children. Others in the town held vigils outside the hospital, and staged protests calling for justice.[/quote]

What the fuck? A hospital can't pay its bills so you kill dozens of small children in response? That can't be fucking legal.

Money is the root of all evil

Far as I've checked it's the Hospital refusing to pay the bill for months with multiple warnings and so on. It's not black and white.

Oh boy Nice way to fuck it up. Hope both guys (The guy who didn't pay and the one who called for the supply to be cut) end up behind bars.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52570112]Oh boy Nice way to fuck it up. Hope both guys (The guy who didn't pay and the one who called for the supply to be cut) end up behind bars.[/QUOTE] It was a private supplier, a private company. Don't pay the bills for months, and any company would stop giving you shit for free. The only one who deserves jail is the person that didn't pay the bills, and had no backup plan for losing their oxygen supply.

everybody fucked up in this case. the private supplier should have taken them to court but i understand what they did, the hospital should have fucking done anything

Yes blame the evil company, because transporting oxygen is free and being expected to pay months of back logged bills is so terrible of them...

[QUOTE=MR-X;52570106]Money is the root of all evil[/QUOTE] Evil people are the root of all evil.

[QUOTE=Orkel;52570147]It was a private supplier, a private company. Don't pay the bills for months, and any company would stop giving you shit for free. The only one who deserves jail is the person that didn't pay the bills, and had no backup plan for losing their oxygen supply.[/QUOTE] There needs to be an obligation for the supplier though. You cannot just choose to withdraw emergency medical gases for the sake of business. There should have been a clause to protect this from ever happening and give enough time to make arrangements. This in my mind is more like murder to me. If a hospital doesn't function, it must prevent death and if the supplier knew this would have a detrimental effect, they should have alerted the authorities.

There are so many other ways for the company to have handled this. Was it within their right? Yes. Was it the right thing? Fuck no. I don't understand how you can humanly acknowledge that you're pulling the plug on a lot of peoples lives over money and still do it. The full blame lies on Raveej Misra though. He should be behind bars for his neglect of care.

[QUOTE=Socram;52570191]Yes blame the evil company, because transporting oxygen is free and being expected to pay months of back logged bills is so terrible of them...[/QUOTE] And this is the reason that Corporations shouldn't be anywhere near the job of keeping critically ill people alive.

i am not putting the blame on one man. how could it be a single man's fault that an entire hospital has no oxygen. nobody rang the alarm and doesn't look to me like anyone in the government intervened. if a hospital cannot function, you transfer patients to another hospital.. simple. it's not the first time a hospital has had to shut down.

[QUOTE=MR-X;52570106]Money is the root of all evil[/QUOTE]Not really, money is a pretty grey abstract idea, it's just a barter system, it's how it's used is where it becomes a moral issue. The life saving equipment used in hospitals very likely would never have been created if money weren't a thing.

[QUOTE=thepwnwar;52570111]Far as I've checked it's the Hospital refusing to pay the bill for months with multiple warnings and so on. It's not black and white.[/QUOTE] I defiunitley feel like the people not supplying oxygen to a hospital are in the "black" even if the bill wasnt being paid

[QUOTE=27X;52570201]Evil people are the root of all evil.[/QUOTE] Powerful People can be the root or the ax to evil.

[QUOTE=AK'z;52570213]There needs to be an obligation for the supplier though. You cannot just choose to withdraw emergency medical gases for the sake of business. There should have been a clause to protect this from ever happening and give enough time to make arrangements. This in my mind is more like murder to me. If a hospital doesn't function, it must prevent death and if the supplier knew this would have a detrimental effect, they should have alerted the authorities.[/QUOTE] If I was the owner of the company I would have done the same thing, there should have been something in the contract specifying what would happen if they didn't pay their bills since it's a hospital. I still wouldn't give away free oxygen and service.

[QUOTE=27X;52570201]Evil people are the root of all evil.[/QUOTE] Money just gives them another reason

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52570557]If I was the owner of the company I would have done the same thing[/QUOTE] killed 60 children? [editline]14th August 2017[/editline] like the point is that the supplier, presumably knowing full well what their emergency oxygen was being supplied for in a [I]hospital,[/I] shouldn't have ever turned it off. they should've contacted the authorities and that hospital should've started transferring patients, but no one should have died.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52570557]If I was the owner of the company I would have done the same thing, there should have been something in the contract specifying what would happen if they didn't pay their bills since it's a hospital. I still wouldn't give away free oxygen and service.[/QUOTE] Are you really saying you'll let children die because some asshole wouldn't pay up? I'll be damned sure to find another way because fuck that.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52570557]If I was the owner of the company I would have done the same thing, there should have been something in the contract specifying what would happen if they didn't pay their bills since it's a hospital. I still wouldn't give away free oxygen and service.[/QUOTE] There should have been another way. I understand that the company won't do anything for free, but their choices have resulted in many innocent lives being lost.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52570557]If I was the owner of the company I would have done the same thing, there should have been something in the contract specifying what would happen if they didn't pay their bills since it's a hospital. I still wouldn't give away free oxygen and service.[/QUOTE] "I would'nt give away free oxygen to dying children" this is your brain on capitalism

[QUOTE=Judas;52570634]"I would'nt give away free oxygen to dying children" this is your brain on capitalism[/QUOTE] At what point does the company stop providing to a customer that doesn't pay? Surely you can't expect it to continue providing forever. Someone mentioned earlier that it goes to court, but what does the hospital have to pay the company if it can't even pay the oxygen bills? There's a line somewhere, and it has to get crossed. It shouldn't have happened like this, but it was bound to happen sometime/somehow.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52570644]At what point does the company stop providing to a customer that doesn't pay? Surely you can't expect it to continue providing forever. Someone mentioned earlier that it goes to court, but what does the hospital have to pay the company if it can't even pay the oxygen bills? [/QUOTE] Understandable in literally any other circumstance. If it wasn't a hospital, with sick, dying children in it, than I would understand where you're coming from. Otherwise - [I]yeah,[/I] I kind of would expect the company to keep providing the oxygen until either the hospital pays or they contact the authorities to oblige the hospital to transfer patients. Any other decision is straight up murder that implies there's a value on human life, and that value is a few unpaid oxygen bills.

you people are a disgrace. enjoy your 1984 experience of no regard for human life. but at least you are doing well economically innit, well done. i hope you don't get ill in a foreign country and then have ur oxygen shut off because of the government. it would be a shame, but someone here would rather a company stay in business.

i'm really not too surprised that it happened in india but pretty awful that it happened

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52570557]If I was the owner of the company I would have done the same thing, there should have been something in the contract specifying what would happen if they didn't pay their bills since it's a hospital. I still wouldn't give away free oxygen and service.[/QUOTE] You know, every time I see your opinions I think more and more that you're not a very nice person. You'd deny a hospital its oxygen supply because of unpaid bills knowing full well that the oxygen is life saving? That's fuckin cold man, where's your heart? Like, nobody here is expecting them to be able to get it for free but there has to be something in place due to this being a hospital to prevent this type of shit from happening.

The administration at this hospital who ignored these warnings should be brought to trial to account for their actions, incompetent fucking morons.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52570741] Why is everybody going after a simple private business most likely acting predictably so much so that the head of the hospital could have foreseen, while it is the job of the state, the government and the head of the hospital to make sure the supply of oxygen to the hospital is secure? If a hospital has to beg for crucial things, I don't think it is the fault of the supplier there.[/QUOTE] No one is placing the entirety of the blame on the supplier. No one is even doubting that the hospital fucked up - but everyone is agreeing that you shouldn't shut off emergency oxygen to a hospital with even a single patient in it. It's a [I]hospital.[/I] Anyone with two brain cells to rub together could figure out that people will die if they do that. Yes, the hospital itself is to blame as well. Yeah, that's pretty apparent. Yup, we're still gonna bitch about the supplier for an objectively evil deed. 14 reminder letters or 100 reminder letters, I'm still gonna be pissed people died over unpaid bills.

[QUOTE=Killer900;52570339]Not really, money is a pretty grey abstract idea, it's just a barter system, it's how it's used is where it becomes a moral issue. The life saving equipment used in hospitals very likely would never have been created if money weren't a thing.[/QUOTE] Agreed I think a more appropriate saying is [I]lust[/I] for money is [U]a[/U] root of evil