Drugs are killing so many people in Ohio that cold-storage trailers are being used as morgues
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By about 3 p.m. Friday, a county morgue in east Ohio was already full — and more bodies were expected.
Rick Walters, an investigator for the Stark County coroner's office, had just left for two death scenes: a suicide and an overdose.
From the road, he called the director of the Ohio Emergency Management Agency to ask for help. He needed more space, he explained — specifically, a cold-storage trailer to act as an overflow morgue.
As with much of the United States, Ohio is in the throes of a heroin and opioid epidemic that shows no signs of abating.[/quote]
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no sign of leadership from kasich on this one either, our legislature is straight hard right dominated so of course falling to these drugs is a moral failing not a state issue, but they won't outright say it like that
so far the best we've done is just dump noloxone on everybody and hope we catch them before they die
This is [url=https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19810810&id=ok80AAAAIBAJ&sjid=AGgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4287,4545140]not[/url] [url=https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2002&dat=19810810&id=HK0iAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FrIFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2782,1885788]the first[/url] [url=https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1346&dat=19810810&id=f0ZNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=M_sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7040,3465406]time[/url] this has happened in the United States. Miami-Dade's homicide rate also caused this historically.
[QUOTE=Sableye;52004282]no sign of leadership from kasich on this one either, our legislature is straight hard right dominated so of course falling to these drugs is a moral failing not a state issue, but they won't outright say it like that
so far the best we've done is just dump noloxone on everybody and hope we catch them before they die[/QUOTE]
Nah, they've already demonized the drug users. As far as they're concerned, this is a good thing since drug users are bad and they deserve their deaths and it's doubly a good thing because this problem is solving itself, nevermind all the families left behind or crime committed to get a fix
harmful drugs are in full swing right now. At least here in British Columbia Fentanyl is such a major problem the government is teaching free courses on how to use Naloxone and giving away free kits to anyone that took the course with unlimited refills.
Shit like this is starting to crop up in Rockford too. We used to be big on heroin already but now it's starting to get crazy with more dirty stuff hitting the streets, and with a recession on the way I only expect it getting worse.
More victims of this shitty war. When will it end? How many more have to die preventable death? The war on drugs is one of the biggest modern injustices in the western world and it's continually swept under the rug. It will only get worse.
As a Kentuckian travelling through Ohio is surreal. It's just vast nothingness of forests on our side and then boom you're in Cincinnati where there was a death toll counter on the highway and numerous signs at the side of the road with a drug overdose hotline number.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;52005374]As a Kentuckian travelling through Ohio is surreal. It's just vast nothingness of forests on our side and then boom you're in Cincinnati where there was a death toll counter on the highway and numerous signs at the side of the road with a drug overdose hotline number.[/QUOTE]
As an Ohioan, Ohio isn't that surreal in the rest of the state (on the outside). There's your usual little "towns" of a couple houses and a local grocery store that are quiet and kinda creepy to drive through, bigger towns with constant traffic, etc. It's your "small, sleepy town feel".
The big drug problem is pretty hidden. I know a lot of people struggling because they got into the dumbass situation in the first place, and it really is a huge problem here. The amount of people that deal (that I hear about from those people) is insane. I know for a fact, after doing some digging last year, that a lawyer in Dayton and his son are both big middlemen in the heroin business. The county I live in, back in the 70's, was pretty much controlled by drug trafficking. The police, local politicians, small business owners, you name it. They all had their hand in it, and rumor has it that the Sheriff back then had his hands in the disappearance of a few people.
Cincinnati is just a shit hole in general though, tbh.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;52005541]Cincinnati is just a shit hole in general though, tbh.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Cincinnati is that bad. I live there currently, but I came from a smaller town to the North. The drug problem in Ohio, from what I've seen, comes from the smaller towns with little legal oversight. I came from a smaller town just to the North, and drugs are a huge problem there. There are a few bad areas, which sucks, but plenty of good ones too.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;52005374]As a Kentuckian travelling through Ohio is surreal. It's just vast nothingness of forests on our side and then boom you're in Cincinnati where there was a death toll counter on the highway and numerous signs at the side of the road with a drug overdose hotline number.[/QUOTE]
Many states have electronic signs on highways with the number of annual road fatalities to date displayed.
[QUOTE=Crumpet;52005335]More victims of this dreadful war. When will it end? How many more have to die preventable death? The war on drugs is one of the biggest modern injustices in the western world and it's continually swept under the rug. It will only get worse.[/QUOTE]
What are you proposing though? The war on drugs is to get the things killing these people away from them, Do you think if the police sit on their hands it's just not going to be a problem or ???
[QUOTE=Claxx;52011192]What are you proposing though? The war on drugs is to get the things killing these people away from them, Do you think if the police sit on their hands it's just not going to be a problem or ???[/QUOTE]
You're playing a dangerous game thinking the war on drugs is just a war on drugs. I know someone here can better explain it than I can, but it's a very touchy thing.
[QUOTE=Claxx;52011192]What are you proposing though? The war on drugs is to get the things killing these people away from them, Do you think if the police sit on their hands it's just not going to be a problem or ???[/QUOTE]
The war on drugs is not just a war on drugs. I think if they were all regulated and taxed with a proper scheme of education and treatment in place then a substantial amount of these deaths wouldn't happen.
Government regulation would mean pure product. People wouldn't be using fentanyl cut heroin for example. You know what you're getting, eliminating the huge amount of deaths from those shooting/using impure product.
Proper education would mean substantially safer drug use because lets be honest, people will do drugs whether you like it or not. It would also mean less people doing them in the first place.
Proper treatment means addicts can be treated for the medical condition they have instead of being victimized and further pushed down the rabbit hole. Addiction should not be criminalized.
Cartels and criminal orgs would lose a significant amount of business and substantially less children and less fortunate people in third world countries would be sold into a trade fuelled by our failing, expensive war built on racism and capitalist greed.
The list goes on. The war on drugs has failed and should be stopped.
[QUOTE=Claxx;52011192]What are you proposing though? The war on drugs is to get the things killing these people away from them, Do you think if the police sit on their hands it's just not going to be a problem or ???[/QUOTE]
Except for the inconvenient fact that the war on drugs had the complete opposite effect.
[QUOTE=Claxx;52011192]What are you proposing though? The war on drugs is to get the things killing these people away from them, Do you think if the police sit on their hands it's just not going to be a problem or ???[/QUOTE]
The prohibition of these drugs caused this situation.
You cannot ignore that.
Our government might do a lot of shitty things right now, but there's nothing worse than prioritizing the money of big pharma over the lives of countless young men and women who are given addictive and potentially deadly drugs for every symptom under the sun. This is a problem that shouldn't be this big considering how preventable it is.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;52004605]Nah, they've already demonized the drug users. As far as they're concerned, this is a good thing since drug users are bad and they deserve their deaths and it's doubly a good thing because this problem is solving itself, nevermind all the families left behind or crime committed to get a fix[/QUOTE]
I got a cousin who's 10 months clean from drug addiction, so it makes me furious to hear that drug addicts deserve to die.
Where I live, most people know someone who's addicted or overdosed.
[QUOTE=Claxx;52011192]What are you proposing though? The war on drugs is to get the things killing these people away from them, Do you think if the police sit on their hands it's just not going to be a problem or ???[/QUOTE]
Do like the Swiss (and a few states, I believe) and let people have it, but only in special centres where there are experts to help with dozages, and if anything goes wrong. That is somewhat an oversimplification, but is also the [URL="http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/switzerland-drug-addiction.html"]gist of it[/URL].
The war on drugs is a very counterproductive and expensive measurement.
[QUOTE=Claxx;52011192]What are you proposing though? The war on drugs is to get the things killing these people away from them, Do you think if the police sit on their hands it's just not going to be a problem or ???[/QUOTE]
The War on Drugs is the exact reason Crack Cocaine exists. Literally the progression was:
1. massive crackdown on cocaine
2. cocaine prices shoot major high because supply is being fucked
3. Smuggling a large package of white powder is fucking impossible now. So in order to get more cocaine into the US, smugglers develop a way to condense powdered cocaine into crystals that can later be turned back into cocaine.
4. some fucking dingus figures out you can just smoke these dangerous ass crystals and get absolutely fucked instead of having to turn it back into powdered cocaine
5. crack cocaine is now a thing
[QUOTE=Jrose14;52005790]I don't think Cincinnati is that bad. I live there currently, but I came from a smaller town to the North. The drug problem in Ohio, from what I've seen, comes from the smaller towns with little legal oversight. I came from a smaller town just to the North, and drugs are a huge problem there. There are a few bad areas, which sucks, but plenty of good ones too.[/QUOTE]
Cincinnati is extremely conservative so like indiana, they avoid doing anything at all because thats a breach of conservativism
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52012891]The War on Drugs is the exact reason Crack Cocaine exists. Literally the progression was:
1. massive crackdown on cocaine
2. cocaine prices shoot major high because supply is being fucked
3. Smuggling a large package of white powder is fucking impossible now. So in order to get more cocaine into the US, smugglers develop a way to condense powdered cocaine into crystals that can later be turned back into cocaine.
4. some fucking dingus figures out you can just smoke these dangerous ass crystals and get absolutely fucked instead of having to turn it back into powdered cocaine
5. crack cocaine is now a thing[/QUOTE]
then you have the very clear disparity between punishment for cocaine and crack. look at the demographics of users for each drug, and further who's being arrested under the guise of being protected
from the [url=http://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/]NAACP's website[/url]:
[quote]In 2002, blacks constituted more than 80% of the people sentenced under the federal crack cocaine laws and served substantially more time in prison for drug offenses than did whites, despite that fact that more than 2/3 of crack cocaine users in the U.S. are white or Hispanic[/quote]
Why does it have to be hard drugs? Why cant it be LSD or something less dangerous?
What goes though a persons mind when they think "hey Im going to try meth/heroin today"?
This is sad.
This is sad. Hopefully the state extends its morgue.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52026647]Why does it have to be hard drugs? Why cant it be LSD or something less dangerous?
What goes though a persons mind when they think "hey Im going to try meth/heroin today"?
This is sad.[/QUOTE]
Depending on the drug, it could be to relieve the symptoms of an addiction to a prescribed drug such as Morphine or other Opioids. It's somewhat hard to get access to prescribed drugs, especially in the US, when you're broke as fuck/ not actually recovering from surgery or whatever. But you still may have been prescribed something that is quite addictive.
For people outside of that group? It could be a number of reasons really. Social pressure, a means of escape when they hit rock bottom. And harder drugs are better business for dealers as they almost always lead to addiction, meaning you have someone buying your gear up until they get arrested/ die.
Drug use is a really complex subject, and the war on drugs doesn't help us understand it at all. Rather it buries it, and insists it's not a problem so long as we keep demonising drug use. We shouldn't be accepting the usage of hard drugs, but demonising it doesn't help us truly understand it.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52026647]Why does it have to be hard drugs? Why cant it be LSD or something less dangerous?
What goes though a persons mind when they think "hey Im going to try meth/heroin today"?
This is sad.[/QUOTE]
LSD is actually really dangerous, I had a few friends almost die from it because one's GF had a bad trip and went into a psychotic rage, she attacked him with some glass she broke and he was close to losing his entire arm due to the severe muscle damage on the shoulder where she cut and stabbed. Shit I once took a very small amount of shrooms, far less than I would usually take when I was into drugs, and I had a horrible time. I had this feeling I was bleeding, and despite the lack of actual harm done to me (both me and my sober gf checked), I felt like I was bleeding to death, not just thought, I actually felt like I was bleeding. Multiple times I felt incredible pain and came to terms with the idea that maybe I was dying for some reason. I'd collapse into a barely breathing comatose state apparently and then I'd suddenly wake up gasping for air despite the fact I was breathing the entire time anyway. I could hardly stand when I needed to, and much, much more. Probably the only thing that saved me from a bad trip, being in the hospital or dying was the fact I've a great deal of experience with psychedelics, especially LSD and was able to keep a very level head about me with drugs.
Still no idea what caused that small dose of shrooms to fuck me up so bad either, could have been bad, laced, idk. Either way, I stopped doing shrooms after that. LSD, for me anyway, was always a much better experience.
My point is: psychedelics are incredibly dangerous. All drugs, even Alcohol, tobacco, and pot, are dangerous. Some are less dangerous than others of course, but they're all mind impairing substances and all should be treated with the proper respect and responsibility they deserve as they can all destroy your life if you let them.
Good thing I stay away from that shit.
Yeah I'm gonna get a million "but weed ain't bad it's cool it's harmless smoke420 bro"
I'm not talking about green. I'm talking about the literal poison people inject in their fucking bloodstream to feel good. Even after watching the Kurz vid I still don't get why anyone with half a brain would want to throw their life away. there is no justifying using anything stronger then the plant in my opinion.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52026647]Why does it have to be hard drugs? Why cant it be LSD or something less dangerous?
What goes though a persons mind when they think "hey Im going to try meth/heroin today"?
This is sad.[/QUOTE]
People don't just wake up in the morning and think "Hey I'm going try heroin today!". Most start off from being prescribed painkillers from a surgery or for chronic pain management. Sooner or later they end up without a prescription and then move on to buying those pills illegally. After they exhaust a good deal of their money on that they have the possibility of moving on to things like heroin. Why? Because it's cheap as fuck. For what you would spend on a days worth of pills you could get enough heroin to keep you feeling great for several days. That's just one reason why people would start that. There are so many others that I can't even sum it up in a post on here.
I've seen this epidemic first hand, it took away my sister's life. What the government needs to do is help fund better treatment facilities and create support networks for people that are dealing with this. Everyone tells addicts to go to rehab but those aren't free, and what few there are don't have nearly enough beds available. It's disgusting that politicians try to dodge this issue but it really is extremely widespread. There needs to be something done about this before more people end up dying.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;52004881]harmful drugs are in full swing right now. At least here in British Columbia Fentanyl is such a major problem the government is teaching free courses on how to use Naloxone and giving away free kits to anyone that took the course with unlimited refills.[/QUOTE]
Drug culture here in BC is huge and gross in general. Most House parties I've been to on this coast have people popping pills, needles, etc... And that retarded whippits shit too. Like I thought east coast parties sucked with people getting too drunk or smoking pot constantly but JFC west coast is on a new level.
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