96 Year old WW2 Vet strangles Dementia-stricken Wife who pleaded with him to end her life - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE] Jack Tindall, 96, admitted killing his wife Ernestine, 88, after she begged him to end her life when the couple thought they were going to be moved into separate care homes. Nottingham Crown Court heard that Ernestine had been his “rock” and that she had told her husband: “Don’t let me wake up in the morning if you love me like I love you.” In 2015, Ernestine suffered a stroke, which triggered the onset of dementia, and she was confined to a nursing home for several months. The court heard that Mr Tindall visited his wife every day and sat by her bedside for hours. The couple’s grandchildren had overheard their grandmother begging her husband to help her die on several occasions. Tindall throttled his wife of 68 years to death with a dressing gown cord on August 13 at their home in Perlethorpe, north of Nottingham. He told police he surrounded “her beautiful face” with lilies, and went outside, where his granddaughter realised something was wrong and called police. “For years we’ve solemnly promised each other that if anything happens…if it gets too much, we know what to do and I’ve done it…promise has been fulfilled,” he told cops. “I’ve strangled her. All the pleading and pleading and pleading and I finally done it.” Mr Tindall served in North Africa and Italy during Wold War Two before being posted to Austria, where he met his wife. The couple were married in 1947 and on their return to the UK, Mr Tindall worked as a miner. Tindall admitted a charge of manslaughter with diminished responsibility and was handed a 12 month suspended sentence – becoming one of Britain’s oldest killers.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3764536/world-war-ii-vet-96-strangled-his-wife-to-death-with-a-dressing-gown-cord-and-laid-her-on-a-bed-covered-in-lilies-before-confessing-to-cops/"]SOURCE[/URL]

Such is the price of denying medically assisted suicide to your citizens. What a sad event.

This story reminds me of one of my favourite songs. [video=youtube;0XcCHa90-HY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XcCHa90-HY[/video] This kind of tragedy just breaks my heart.

The fact she had dementia opens up so many ethical issues.

Personally, in cases such as this, I don't think the man should be found guilty. I can understand if the legal system needs to determine if the man himself is sane and that there is no foul play. I only hope that this is the case.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52335349]The fact she had dementia opens up so many ethical issues.[/QUOTE] In Canada she'd have been denied as well due to the dementia but we're moving on the law to make sure that medically induced death can occur before the patient can no longer consent.

[QUOTE=Propane Addict;52335333]Such is the price of denying medically assisted suicide to your citizens. What a sad event.[/QUOTE] People that are against it pretty much directly contribute to the suffering of the ill

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52335349]The fact she had dementia opens up so many ethical issues.[/QUOTE] In the article he mentions it had been a plan between them for years. Having an advanced directive to end your life if it becomes unlivable shouldn't be unethical. Especially if you want to defer medical decisions to your loved one when it gets that bad.

[QUOTE=01271;52335423]In Canada she'd have been denied as well due to the dementia but we're moving on the law to make sure that medically induced death can occur before the patient can no longer consent.[/QUOTE] There should be a system like for organ donors. While you are still young, healthy and sane you should be allowed to decide what should the doctors do in case of a permanent coma, dementia, etc...

[QUOTE=Karmah;52335408]Personally, in cases such as this, I don't think the man should be found guilty. I can understand if the legal system needs to determine if the man himself is sane and that there is no foul play. I only hope that this is the case.[/QUOTE] That's more or less what happened. He was charged with manslaughter with diminished responsibility and given a suspended sentence, so in all likelihood he'll never go to prison. [quote]“It is not necessary for this court to add further to the tragedy of this case by the imposition of a sentence of immediate imprisonment.”[/quote]

I almost felt my heart wince as I read it, poor couple. I cannot fathom how painful it must be to take the life of the person you've shared your entire life with and love the most, after seeing her body and mind wither with the passage of time. May she rest in peace, and I hope the old man can find some solace in the fact that she's no longer suffering.

As much as I hate to politicize this, this is exactly why we need to allow people to agree to medically assisted suicide. There was an extremely high chance that, if the woman was forced to move into a separate care home, her dementia would have worsened, and she also would have suffered much more greatly due to being split from her husband. It's a fucking tragedy that we need to have the partner [I]actually kill[/I] their beloved so they can make sure they end their lives as peacefully as they can, without further suffering. I can only imagine the grief this man has to go through right now; he'll probably pass in a few months as well.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;52335452]There should be a system like for organ donors. While you are still young, healthy and sane you should be allowed to decide what should the doctors do in case of a permanent coma, dementia, etc...[/QUOTE] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_not_resuscitate[/URL] I'm fairly sure you can give power of attorney to a doctor using the above in which case the doctor will make a judgement on whether to resuscitate based on your requests and chances of surviving without brain damage, alternatively you can request that no action is taken if your heart stops regardless of survival chance.

Now the courts need to handle this case delicately.

Imagine being in endless pain pain so strong that you literally cannot function as a human being pain so awful that you quite literally, cannot live without suffering from it 100% of the time you pretty much can only die and that's the only way to make it stop But when you ask about assisted suicide you're told "No", You're far too physically weak to kill yourself, so you beg your best friend/sister/wife/husband kill you, which could quite literally land them in jail you're pretty much forced to just sit there, suffering endlessly. There are probably people out there that would directly say to your face "No I don't believe assisted suicide should be legal"

[QUOTE=J!NX;52336262]Imagine being in endless pain pain so strong that you literally cannot function as a human being pain so awful that you quite literally, cannot live without suffering from it 100% of the time you pretty much can only die and that's the only way to make it stop But when you ask about assisted suicide you're told "No", You're far too physically weak to kill yourself, so you beg your best friend/sister/wife/husband kill you, which could quite literally land them in jail you're pretty much forced to just sit there, suffering endlessly. There are probably people out there that would directly say to your face "No I don't believe assisted suicide should be legal"[/QUOTE] If I ever reached that point, pills would probably (hopefully) be my way out if assisted suicide is not an option. I wouldn't want to have to put my loved ones through something like this.

I couldn't bare imagining having to do this to my wife. Let alone think of all the legal ramifications I'd probably be put in jail even at that age, but if my wife was suffering and she asked me to I'd be fine with jail.

Assisted suicide has a plethora of issues with consent and that's why it's not readily available throughout most of the western world.

[QUOTE=BazzBerry;52336275]If I ever reached that point, pills would probably (hopefully) be my way out if assisted suicide is not an option. I wouldn't want to have to put my loved ones through something like this.[/QUOTE] pills aren't as clean as you'd expect though

[QUOTE=Cone;52336438]pills aren't as clean as you'd expect though[/QUOTE] Yeah don't do that, chances are high that you'll live (or someone will find you) and after that you definitely will want to kill yourself.

this is the most depressing thing I've read all year

[QUOTE=DeEz;52336781]Yeah don't do that, chances are high that you'll live (or someone will find you) and after that you definitely will want to kill yourself.[/QUOTE] Really depends on what sort of pill, but medication in general requires a massive overdose to be deadly. It's one of the requirements for something to become a medicine in the first place after all.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52336811]Really depends on what sort of pill, but medication in general requires a massive overdose to be deadly. It's one of the requirements for something to become a medicine in the first place after all.[/QUOTE] The body can be unusually resilient. Many people have tried to kill themselves in this way, and either woke up in their own vomit or in a hospital with irreversible damage done to the body (because someone found them early and saved them). Not to mention that most overdoses are usually an incredibly slow and painful way of dying.

[QUOTE=DeEz;52336827]The body can be unusually resilient. Many people have tried to kill themselves in this way, and either woke up in their own vomit or in a hospital with irreversible damage done to the body (because someone found them early and saved them). Not to mention that most overdoses are usually an incredibly slow and painful way of dying.[/QUOTE] ....and then you have guys who consumed 25 times the amount of Fentanyl you'd need to OD [I]and[/I] jumped off a bridge to kill himself, but the cold water ended up shocking his nervous system and he lived.[video=youtube;28rJqj-7pEY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28rJqj-7pEY[/video]

If you intend on killing yourself for medical reasons, the best method tends to be helium.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52337375]If you intend on killing yourself for medical reasons, the best method tends to be helium.[/QUOTE] Or any inert gas.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52337401]Or any inert gas.[/QUOTE] Anything that induces hypoxia.

[QUOTE=Ishwoo;52336173][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_not_resuscitate[/URL] I'm fairly sure you can give power of attorney to a doctor using the above in which case the doctor will make a judgement on whether to resuscitate based on your requests and chances of surviving without brain damage, alternatively you can request that no action is taken if your heart stops regardless of survival chance.[/QUOTE] This was done to my father two weeks ago. He'd been suffering kidney failure for a good few years and was hospitalized late May with an ammonia level of 200+ (30 is considered normal). They did all they could, the meds only brought him down to 190. At which point we gave rights for DNR (My father wasn't improving, and even if he was going to come out of it, he'd be left brain damaged due to the ammonia levels.) as we didn't want him to suffer. From then, the doctors began to administer dosages of morphine to ease his pain. They began to steadily increase the dosage, to slow his breathing. This was done both to decrease pain, and also to.. Basically.. Kill him. So yeah, there are legal ways around it. You just need probable cause.

[QUOTE=jordguitar;52337432]Anything that induces hypoxia.[/QUOTE] Except for carbon dioxide.

Interesting that they were being moved to separate homes. Wonder if it's got anything to do with the Tories' cuts to social care? Absolutely tragic regardless, and horrible to think a man felt compelled to kill his wife with his own hands as a mercy.