Ukrainian man commits suicide by jumping in front of rally car - Sensationalist Headlines

[img]http://world.24-my.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/a01717f98d4609fc989d390c50739f7b.jpg[/img] [url]http://world.24-my.info/in-the-nikolaev-area-there-was-a-tragedy-in-the-championship-of-ukraine-on-motor-racing/[/url] [quote]In the Nikolaev area the police establishes the circumstances of the death of a man during the championship of Ukraine on mini-rally. According to local law enforcement authorities, the tragedy occurred today, June 4. “The spectator-a man aged about 30 years, trying to cross the section of the route fell under the wheels of a racing car, causing died on the spot of incident”, – explained in the police. The incident previously qualified under article “murder”. Now circumstances of incident are established.[/quote] [i]Couldn't find any English sources, sorry.[/i] Video (shot from afar, no aftermath or gore visible) [vid]https://u.nya.is/mlvvqj.mp4[/vid]

My condolences to the crowd, the family, and especially the driver/codriver. They may never race again due to the guilt, much like truckers and train engineers that strike and kill people.

Fuuuuuck people who wants out, but does it in ways that affect others. But i get it, they do it to convey some message, often about not being heard.

What an ass.

[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;52319717]What an ass.[/QUOTE] responses like this are why people do this.

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52319864]responses like this are why people do this.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of ways to commit suicide without saddling someone else with the massive trauma of having killed a person.

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52319864]responses like this are why people do this.[/QUOTE] no they aren't

[QUOTE=sourcegamer101;52319884]no they aren't[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BuffaloBill;52319878]There's plenty of ways to commit suicide without saddling someone else with the massive trauma of having killed a person.[/QUOTE] and people like you (and the poster i quoted) not taking this kind of shit seriously and paying attention to [B]why[/B] the person killed themselves and instead just going "what an asshole seriously" are why people like this continue to go unnoticed and feel like they can't seek help, until eventually the only way they feel like they can express themselves is by something as drastic as this. but lol go ahead and blame one of two victims here in the hopes that it will protect you from the unfortunate and blunt truth that your attitude contributes to the deaths of people like this. and for the record, i feel for the driver, i do. my absolute heart of hearts goes out to them, [B]along[/B] with the person who dove infront of his car. why? because i've been there before. i understand what it's like when you feel like the only means of speaking out is through self-destruction. i wholly sympathize with it and i wish they'd gotten the help they needed. instead of looking for someone to blame and putting paid to the issue, i look for a way it could've been prevented. because that's how you stop this happening again, not by pinning the blame on the dead. it's easy to blame someone when they're spread over a windshield because it's the only way they knew how to speak out, huh?

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52319909]and people like you (and the poster i quoted) not taking this kind of shit seriously and paying attention to [B]why[/B] the person killed themselves and instead just going "what an asshole seriously" are why people like this continue to go unnoticed and feel like they can't seek help, until eventually the only way they feel like they can express themselves is by something as drastic as this. but lol go ahead and blame one of two victims here in the hopes that it will protect you from the unfortunate and blunt truth that your attitude contributes to the deaths of people like this. and for the record, i feel for the driver, i do. my absolute heart of hearts goes out to them, [B]along[/B] with the person who dove infront of his car. why? because i've been there before. i understand what it's like when you feel like the only means of speaking out is through self-destruction. i wholly sympathize with it and i wish they'd gotten the help they needed. instead of looking for someone to blame and putting paid to the issue, i look for a way it could've been prevented. because that's how you stop this happening again, not by pinning the blame on the dead. it's easy to blame someone when they're spread over a windshield because it's the only way they knew how to speak out, huh?[/QUOTE] dude, everybody in the world who has committed suicide has a reason why they did it, i dont see why this guy is a rare exception. take a step back and realize he could have killed himself in any other way. but no, he had to run in front of someone's car and subject that person to possibly years of psychological guilt. im not contributing shit to people's suicides

[QUOTE=sourcegamer101;52319950]dude, everybody in the world who has committed suicide has a reason why they did it, i dont see why this guy is a rare exception. take a step back and realize he could have killed himself in any other way. but no, he had to run in front of someone's car and subject that person to possibly years of psychological guilt. im not contributing shit to people's suicides[/QUOTE] Basically this. Its attention seeking the max. Why the fuck else would he run in front of a speeding car in front of hundred of people and cameras??

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52319909]and people like you (and the poster i quoted) not taking this kind of shit seriously and paying attention to [B]why[/B] the person killed themselves and instead just going "what an asshole seriously" are why people like this continue to go unnoticed and feel like they can't seek help, until eventually the only way they feel like they can express themselves is by something as drastic as this. but lol go ahead and blame one of two victims here in the hopes that it will protect you from the unfortunate and blunt truth that your attitude contributes to the deaths of people like this. and for the record, i feel for the driver, i do. my absolute heart of hearts goes out to them, [B]along[/B] with the person who dove infront of his car. why? because i've been there before. i understand what it's like when you feel like the only means of speaking out is through self-destruction. i wholly sympathize with it and i wish they'd gotten the help they needed. instead of looking for someone to blame and putting paid to the issue, i look for a way it could've been prevented. because that's how you stop this happening again, not by pinning the blame on the dead. it's easy to blame someone when they're spread over a windshield because it's the only way they knew how to speak out, huh?[/QUOTE] You didn't address his point. Killing yourself in any way is drastic and will draw attention to what you've been through, what purpose does involving some unrelated rally driver serve?

[QUOTE=sourcegamer101;52319950]dude, everybody in the world who has committed suicide has a reason why they did it, i dont see why this guy is a rare exception. take a step back and realize he could have killed himself in any other way. but no, he had to run in front of someone's car and subject that person to possibly years of psychological guilt. im not contributing shit to people's suicides[/QUOTE] Until euthanasia is available even for the non-terminally ill, killing yourself is always gonna have someone who is psychologically affected. The only thing you can really alter is the directness, i.e someone finding your body and being shocked that way rather than having them feel responsible for having killed someone, even though logically you could understand it wasn't your fault. You could jump off a tall building, making no one feel responsible for killing you, but the people on the street below are gonna be freaked when you land.

[QUOTE=Riutet;52319987]Until euthanasia is available even for the non-terminally ill, killing yourself is always gonna have someone who is psychologically affected. The only thing you can really alter is the directness, i.e someone finding your body and being shocked that way rather than having them feel responsible for having killed someone, even though logically you could understand it wasn't your fault. You could jump off a tall building, making no one feel responsible for killing you, but the people on the street below are gonna be freaked when you land.[/QUOTE] exactly, and people wonder why those who commit suicide like that or like the person in the OP get called attention seeking or some other insult. i get what those people are feeling when they say that, but at the same time suicide sucks, so...

im sure hes enjoying the attention now

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52319864]responses like this are why people do this.[/QUOTE] No, people that do this are why people respond this way

I'm torn on this. On one hand I feel bad for the guy who committed suicide. On the other hand, I don't feel bad for the suicider because he threw the weight of guilt and trauma onto the drivers selfishly.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;52320163]I'm torn on this. On one hand I feel bad for the guy who committed suicide. On the other hand, I don't feel bad for the suicider because he threw the weight of guilt and trauma onto the drivers selfishly.[/QUOTE] you can still feel empathy and sadness for both

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52319909]and people like you (and the poster i quoted) not taking this kind of shit seriously and paying attention to [B]why[/B] the person killed themselves and instead just going "what an asshole seriously" are why people like this continue to go unnoticed and feel like they can't seek help, until eventually the only way they feel like they can express themselves is by something as drastic as this. but lol go ahead and blame one of two victims here in the hopes that it will protect you from the unfortunate and blunt truth that your attitude contributes to the deaths of people like this. and for the record, i feel for the driver, i do. my absolute heart of hearts goes out to them, [B]along[/B] with the person who dove infront of his car. why? because i've been there before. i understand what it's like when you feel like the only means of speaking out is through self-destruction. i wholly sympathize with it and i wish they'd gotten the help they needed. instead of looking for someone to blame and putting paid to the issue, i look for a way it could've been prevented. because that's how you stop this happening again, not by pinning the blame on the dead. it's easy to blame someone when they're spread over a windshield because it's the only way they knew how to speak out, huh?[/QUOTE] I do not recall blaming him at any point, nor do I recall not taking it seriously. Be so kind as to point out where I did those things cause as far as I can see all I did was state the simple [b]fact[/b] there are plenty of ways to commit suicide without giving other people massive mental issues.

Are we sure it was suicide? There's idiots who cross the road all the time during rally stages, though usually not in front of the car as its about to pass.

It's always the same string of posts in suicide related "news". You guys act as if suicide is the result of a logical thought process, condemning the [b]dead[/b] guy. [QUOTE=Hugg;52320075]im sure hes enjoying the attention now[/QUOTE] christ

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52320441]It's always the same string of posts in suicide related "news". You guys act as if suicide is the result of a logical thought process, condemning the [b]dead[/b] guy. christ[/QUOTE] it was sarcasm

[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;52320420]Are we sure it was suicide? There's idiots who cross the road all the time during rally stages, though usually not in front of the car as its about to pass.[/QUOTE] There's another angle which shows the guy hesitating, then charging head first into the car. WARNING: shows a glimpse of the body, but again, no visual gore: [vid]https://u.nya.is/szoedz.mp4[/vid]

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52319909]and people like you (and the poster i quoted) not taking this kind of shit seriously and paying attention to [B]why[/B] the person killed themselves and instead just going "what an asshole seriously" are why people like this continue to go unnoticed and feel like they can't seek help, until eventually the only way they feel like they can express themselves is by something as drastic as this. but lol go ahead and blame one of two victims here in the hopes that it will protect you from the unfortunate and blunt truth that your attitude contributes to the deaths of people like this.[/QUOTE] No it's not. It's mental sickness' fault. Not ours. People being blunt about suicide is not the cause of mental illness and suicidalism. A person has PTSD and sees a war film, gets triggered and suffers a breakdown. Is that the filmmaker's fault for allowing it to happen? Is it the audience's fault for standing by and letting the movie play? No, it's the fault of the mental illness. A person is suicidal, severely depressed. They go on Facepunch.com, and see Sunday_Roast say "What an ass." Their mentally sick brain sees this, and their mental sickness fights against them and makes them believe there are no other options, no way out, makes them actively reject help, and then they decide to jump in front of a truck. Is that Sunday_Roast's fault? Absolutely not. It is the fault of a severely sick mind, a cosmic quirk. Please do not trivialize mental illness to such a shameful degree.

When somebody is suicidal they often don't have the capacity to think about others. I struggle to consider acts like these 'selfish', rather more tragic for everyone involved.

[QUOTE=Pissfuck;52319909]and people like you (and the poster i quoted) not taking this kind of shit seriously and paying attention to [B]why[/B] the person killed themselves and instead just going "what an asshole seriously" are why people like this continue to go unnoticed and feel like they can't seek help, until eventually the only way they feel like they can express themselves is by something as drastic as this. but lol go ahead and blame one of two victims here in the hopes that it will protect you from the unfortunate and blunt truth that your attitude contributes to the deaths of people like this. and for the record, i feel for the driver, i do. my absolute heart of hearts goes out to them, [B]along[/B] with the person who dove infront of his car. why? because i've been there before. i understand what it's like when you feel like the only means of speaking out is through self-destruction. i wholly sympathize with it and i wish they'd gotten the help they needed. instead of looking for someone to blame and putting paid to the issue, i look for a way it could've been prevented. because that's how you stop this happening again, not by pinning the blame on the dead. it's easy to blame someone when they're spread over a windshield because it's the only way they knew how to speak out, huh?[/QUOTE] Killing yourself is a tragedy and no ones saying that its a good thing, nor is anyone blaming anyone. It's awful and depression is horrifying. Killing yourself at the expense of other people is an awful thing to do and yeah, he's an asshole for doing it. Being an apologist for someone who kills themselves at the price of others sanity is pretty fucked up. [QUOTE=Uberpro;52320441]It's always the same string of posts in suicide related "news". You guys act as if suicide is the result of a logical thought process, condemning the [b]dead[/b] guy.[/QUOTE] they aren't condemning him for his suicide, they're condemning him for doing it at the expense of others

[QUOTE=J!NX;52320527]Killing yourself is a tragedy and no ones saying that its a good thing, nor is anyone blaming anyone Killing yourself at the expense of other people is an awful thing to do and yeah, he's an asshole for doing it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]he's an asshole[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]he's[/QUOTE] He can't be an asshole if he doesn't exist. Are you saying he was an asshole before he committed suicide? [QUOTE=J!NX;52320527]they aren't condemning him for his suicide, they're condemning him for doing it at the expense of others[/QUOTE] I didn't say that?

[QUOTE=Noss;52320512]When somebody is suicidal they often don't have the capacity to think about others. I struggle to consider acts like these 'selfish', rather more tragic for everyone involved.[/QUOTE] I understand - or well, it's probably impossible to quite understand it without having experienced it yourself - that suicidal people may not have the capacity to think about others, but this seems premeditated. Obviously the guy is also mentally sick, but to the degree that suicidal people cam be judged to be responsible for their actions, this guy appears to be an asshole.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52320539]He can't be an asshole if he doesn't exist. Are you saying he was an asshole before he committed suicide? I didn't say that?[/QUOTE] who knows, maybe he was an asshole before he died, maybe he was a nice guy who was driven insane But at the end of the day him having killed himself at the cost of others, and in a way that could ruin other peoples lives as well, makes him one.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52320566]who knows, maybe he was an asshole before he died, maybe he was a nice guy who was driven insane But at the end of the day him having killed himself at the cost of others, and in a way that could ruin other peoples lives as well, makes him one.[/QUOTE] It still sounds like you think he exists and therefore he can be an asshole. As for how he will be remembered by others, you honestly think anyone directly affected by this, the driver, the bystanders, his family and friends, will remember him as an asshole? I guess you're free to say what you want here but do you honestly feel it necessary, as a random guy posting on the internet, to condemn this dead person as an asshole? Especially when any of the previously mentioned parties likely don't?

personally im just tired of the discussion that keeps popping up when someone literally kills themself like this. like does it really matter if he was "an asshole" or not? doesnt change the fact that he felt it necessary to end his own life. something is wrong. this person was sick. and whatever led up to this suicide could have been prevented (maybe).