Enrollment drops at schools known for ‘social justice warfare’
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[quote]Universities known for being hotbeds of campus protest and liberal activism are struggling with declining enrollments and budget shortfalls, and higher education analysts say that’s no coincidence.
Take Oberlin College. According to a document leaked to The Oberlin Review, the school’s student newspaper, the small liberal arts college famous for social justice hoaxes has had trouble attracting and retaining students, missing this year’s enrollment mark by 80 and [b]racking up a $5 million budget deficit in the process.[/b]
William A. Jacobson, a professor at Cornell Law School who runs the Legal Insurrection blog, said the “most obvious culprit” in Oberlin’s dwindling admissions is “relentless social justice warfare.”
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A study published by the Washington-based Pew Research Center in July found that just [b]36 percent[/b] of Republicans believe colleges and universities have a positive effect on the country, [b]down from 54 percent[/b] two years ago.
Gallup released a poll in August that found just [b]33 percent[/b] of Republican and Republican-leaning respondents had a “great deal or quite a lot of confidence in higher education.” [b]Sixty-seven percent[/b] said they have “some or very little” confidence in academia.
High school counselors report that, in the past few years, parents have been more likely to express concern about sending their children to schools with progressive reputations.
“Many won’t consider Oberlin or Wesleyan, and Brown is completely off the table,” one counselor told Inside Higher Education in June.
The problem may be especially pronounced among the nation’s heartland. Inside Higher Education reports that several prestigious, small liberal arts colleges in the Midwest have missed their enrollment marks this year.
Some college administrators have taken notice.[b] According to Inside Higher Education’s annual survey, 52 percent of admissions directors from public colleges and 28 percent from private ones said they were stepping up their recruitment of students from rural areas in the wake of the presidential race.[/b]
Declining enrollments have previously been observed at colleges and universities that became notorious for chaotic campus activism, including the University of Missouri and Evergreen State College.
[b]By some estimates, enrollment at the former is down 35 percent since fall 2015, when student protests helped launch the Black Lives Matter movement.[/b]
Meanwhile, Evergreen faces a [b]$2.1 million budget shortfall this year[/b] since students took over the campus last spring, barricading themselves in the library, berating administrators on a regular basis and forcing one dissenting professor to teach off campus out of fear for his safety.
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Most of the enrollment deficit at Oberlin came from a smaller-than-expected freshman class, which totaled 742 instead of a projected 805.
Peter Wood, president of the National Association of Scholars, said that drop-off is more serious than it may appear.
“That doesn’t sound like an astonishing number of people not coming, but weighed on a percentage basis, that’s a huge drop in just one year,” Mr. Wood said. “And Oberlin has for some time been struggling to make its classes. This wasn’t just some negligence: ‘Oh, we didn’t realize that we had to try harder to get students.’ They’ve been trying really hard to get students, and students just aren’t coming.”
He said Oberlin can easily recoup the $5 million deficit by cutting the “apparatus of political correctness” that has swelled in the past several years. When that happens, he said, it will be a sign that the school is serious about reform.
“The signal that I would look for is when they begin to divest from the large number of personnel who are employed wholly because of their political orientations,” he said. “When that happens, I think we will have seen a college that has decided to reposition itself in the market. Until then, it’s all just show.”[/quote]
[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/14/enrollment-drops-at-schools-known-for-social-justi/[/url]
Been kind of a trend I have noticed myself for awhile and been figuring out if it's an overall trend or has correlation to what this article is suggesting. Places like [url=https://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/higher_education/mu-residential-life-to-close-three-more-residence-halls/article_493bcdce-18a1-11e7-988e-8712f14e89ad.html]Mizzou[/url] had really high social justice activity in the last year and experiencing extreme declines for example.
Honestly why even risk getting involved with these idiots who squeal like turkeys over trivial crap that has no consequence on anything
they act like they're entitled to everything because of some insane thing that ultimately means nothing
fuck
that
I do wonder how much of this blowback is because of the constant complaining about 'liberal college' in the conservative press. Stuff's been posted constantly here lately.
OP's source for example is the usual alternative to the Washington Post for conservatives.
And they're going to blame it on everyone but them being "intolerant" while they dick around in their echo chambers until everything theoretically falls apart.
It was only a matter of time that the majority would react and there would be real world consequences for institutions encouraging and facilitating regressive thinking.
Sunlight sanitizes everything. I hope some of these very old institutions can get their stuff in order and put a stop to the snowflake generation before they destroy what several generations worked hard to build.
*gasp* Oberlin College saw a drop in enrollment and it has to be the social justice warriors! Not the bajillion dollar price, the rediculous admissions requirements, or the fact that its out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Ohio, which is not attractive for liberal arts schools.
[QUOTE=Sableye;52691676]*gasp* Oberlin College saw a drop in enrollment and it has to be the social justice warriors! Not the bajillion dollar price, the rediculous admissions requirements, or the fact that its out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Ohio, which is not attractive for liberal arts schools.[/QUOTE]
Well of course. Social justice warriors are the current boogeyman. They are the easiest group of people for the right to blame to try and push their agenda.
Shock, people forking out huge amounts of money for an education don't want that education disrupted by people protesting "microagressions".
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52691681]Well of course. Social justice warriors are the current boogeyman. They are the easiest group of people for the right to blame to try and push their agenda.[/QUOTE]
ya as someone who actually is very familiar with oberlin college, lemme say that their real problem is that they have let almost all their other programs wither and die on the vine. Yes they've always been a liberal arts school, but they also used to have more programs like chemistry and biology, and electronics. They ought to work with the massive vocational school (one of the largest in ohio, you could race cars down the hallways) right down the road and offer continuation programs that add on to some of those programs there such as classes that utilize oberlin's electronics and industrial design curriculums. Every other major university in this state has done these partnership programs with vocational schools and community colleges where students can get that extra bit of expertise to their skill set. They used to do joint classes through the highschools around here too through the state's college-credit program but they have since pulled back on that as well, potentially loosing students who might not have considered oberlin for college.
right now the middle of nowhere college town thing is really not attractive to students of liberal arts or political sciences either, those people tend to come from cities these days and they don't tend to want to move to the middle of nowhere, even if oberlin is a bit of a socialist utopia among the fields of corn.
They just haven't had great management there either, they've been redeveloping large tracts of the town, and certainly their remodeling and management of the local cinema has greatly helped their film school, but they haven't branched out to the obvious areas where they could attract students who wouldn't traditionally attend there, and their token free attendance to the local highschool students hasn't gone over well with something like 1 student from oberlin high actually attending oberlin college in the last 10 years. They just don't offer anything for students from the local community, nor do they offer anything for students they have traditionally attracted, so no supprise their attendance is down
I will say though, they are not in any financial straits here. they have a massive star-studded alumni endowment, a large real-estate portfolio, and a growing industrial design and electronics curriculum, which will see them through.
[QUOTE]A study published by the Washington-based Pew Research Center in July found that just [B]36 percent[/B] of Republicans believe colleges and universities have a positive effect on the country, [B]down from 54 percent[/B] two years ago.
Gallup released a poll in August that found just [B]33 percent[/B] of Republican and Republican-leaning respondents had a “great deal or quite a lot of confidence in higher education.” [B]Sixty-seven percent[/B] said they have “some or very little” confidence in academia.[/QUOTE]
This explains [B][I]a lot[/I][/B].
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52691681]Well of course. Social justice warriors are the current boogeyman. They are the easiest group of people for the right to blame to try and push their agenda.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to be a conservative to hate wingnuts.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;52691636]I do wonder how much of this blowback is because of the constant complaining about 'liberal college' in the conservative press.[/QUOTE]
Coming from a blue state and an impacted CSU, it's hard for me to imagine complaints of 'liberal colleges' being an issue. Depending on the state I'm guessing that type of media may have a possible real world effect, but really anyone who desires a college education could just have enrolled in a different school.
Jesus christ, there are a significant number of people that legitimately believe that college campuses [I]on average[/I] aren't a good thing?
I thought that at most they hated some things about them, not that they hated the actual institution as a concept.
What's wrong with being aware of your social climate?
[QUOTE]Take Oberlin College. According to a document leaked to The Oberlin Review, the school’s student newspaper, the small liberal arts college famous for social justice hoaxes has had trouble attracting and retaining students, missing this year’s enrollment mark by 80 and racking up a $5 million budget deficit in the process.[/QUOTE]
Oberlin College costs around $40,000 per year to attend, when the national average is about $15,000/year. It's small, in the middle of nowhere, is a liberal college in a Republican-majority state, and the most popular major by far is music performance. I wouldn't attribute their decreasing enrollment to "social justice hoaxes". William A. Jacobson's blog is super-conservative and constantly posts pieces focused on how "diversity initiatives are bad", "liberals are ruining america", "trump is flawless and does nothing wrong", etc. Of course he would be blaming progressives for this.
Also, decreasing enrollment is a national issue. [URL="https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cha.asp"]From 2014-2015 it looks to have decreased about 2%
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[QUOTE]A study published by the Washington-based Pew Research Center in July found that just 36 percent of Republicans believe colleges and universities have a positive effect on the country, down from 54 percent two years ago.
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When they're constantly being brainwashed into believing that colleges are full of the EVIL LIBERALS, what else would you expect?
[QUOTE]Peter Wood, president of the National Association of Scholars, said that drop-off is more serious than it may appear.
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Keep in mind that the NAS does and has done things like:
- "placed an advertisement in the Daily Texan (the University of Texas student newspaper), calling for the rejection of a proposed multiculturalism curriculum at the University of Texas, while simultaneously encouraging a successful campaign to defund the university's Chicano newspaper"
- won't donate to universities without attaching conditions to the donations that benefit conservative causes
- runs a journal focused on "the perceived excesses of political correctness in academia"
- states on its website that some of their focuses are on combating "overemphasis on issues of race, gender, class, sexual orientation", "broad imposition of the 'sustainability' agenda on university activity and campus life", "partying and the hook-up culture", and "expansion of community colleges"
Clearly not biased against non-conservatives at all :^)
Some how I think the SJWs were just the straw that broke the camel's back with students on top of endless debt.
[QUOTE=QuinnithXD;52691790]What's wrong with being aware of your social climate?[/QUOTE]
Well, this isn't really the same thing as being aware of the social climate. This is more like people are sick of being shut out from another class because a group is locking down parts of the school for protest. And those looking for higher learning avoiding these problems altogether by not applying at schools where this is known to take place and be encouraged.
Brown seems like the only actual top-tier college listed?
Based on the title I expected something like Berkeley or Yale to drop. That would actually be great news because those are top-tier places for certain things and that would make admissions from people who really want the education easier.
I don't really blame them one iota. I wouldn't want to attend a school where I was liable to be verbally berated solely because I'm cis, white, and male, or because I don't follow PC culture, or because I used the wrong pronoun on some entitled little shit that thinks the world revolves around them and them alone.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52691863]Brown seems like the only actual top-tier college listed?
Based on the title I expected something like Berkeley or Yale to drop. That would actually be great news because those are top-tier places for certain things and that would make admissions from people who really want the education easier.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.dailycal.org/2017/04/03/number-uc-berkeley-international-applicants-decreases-1st-time-decade/]Berkeley[/url] actually did decrease the first time in a decade, but that can be more because of other reasons.
[QUOTE=TestECull;52691874]I don't really blame them one iota. I wouldn't want to attend a school where I was liable to be verbally berated solely because I'm cis, white, and male, or because I don't follow PC culture, or because I used the wrong pronoun on some entitled little shit that thinks the world revolves around them and them alone.[/QUOTE]
Evergreen, wesleyen, and oberlin are small expensive liberal arts colleges, so you very likely wouldn't be trying to go to them unless you were already interested in that stuff. And for bigger and better schools like berkeley, yale, brown, etc. I can p. much guarantee you that most of the student body really don't give a shit.
Compared to the other things to take into account when selecting a school, it's not really worth considering that much.
Tudd, the most intellectually dishonest person on this entire website, posts an incredibly baity piece from an incredibly biased source on SJWs and half of you swallow it hook, line, and sinker. How embarrassing. I have no idea how any of you read the article and saw someone claiming "relentless social justice warfare" was apparently the culprit of declining interest in academia and agreed with it, rather than something a bit more concrete like [url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2017/02/21/student-loan-debt-statistics-2017/#aa261ac5daba]the biggest student debt crisis the world has ever seen[/url].
SJWs are the current day red scare. Somehow, people have managed to become convinced that vocal minority of "regressive leftists" (who unfailingly end up having a spotlight shone on them) are apparently the voice of academia, yet I'm 100% certain that these same people will start bringing out "but it's just a few people" when discussing something like gun control. Make no mistake, academia has always been an enemy to the right-wing, and it's very convenient that they've managed to effectively convince people that this
[QUOTE=TestECull;52691874]I wouldn't want to attend a school where I was liable to be verbally berated solely because I'm cis, white, and male, or because I don't follow PC culture, or because I used the wrong pronoun on some entitled little shit that thinks the world revolves around them and them alone.[/QUOTE]
actually happens.
[QUOTE=TestECull;52691874]I don't really blame them one iota. I wouldn't want to attend a school where I was liable to be verbally berated solely because I'm cis, white, and male, or because I don't follow PC culture, or because I used the wrong pronoun on some entitled little shit that thinks the world revolves around them and them alone.[/QUOTE]
I guarantee you if you're just walking around campus minding your own business, nobody's gonna do that.
It is funny just how much of the Conservative leadership is educated at such liberal bastions like Yale, Harvard, Columbia and their likes.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52691875][url=http://www.dailycal.org/2017/04/03/number-uc-berkeley-international-applicants-decreases-1st-time-decade/]Berkeley[/url] actually did decrease the first time in a decade, but that can be more because of other reasons.[/QUOTE]
That's international applications, not the whole picture. I can understand that since non-resident tuition has increased and the UC board has put an emphasis on in-state student acceptance over out of state. Do you have data showing that overall applications decreased?
[QUOTE=Sableye;52692043]It is funny just how much of the Conservative leadership is educated at such liberal bastions like Yale, Harvard, Columbia and their likes.[/QUOTE]
But that was before all those old hippies and their SJW students came and ruined universities forever! :eng101s:
[QUOTE=Omali;52691664]Sunlight sanitizes everything. I hope some of these very old institutions can get their stuff in order and put a stop to the snowflake generation before they destroy what several generations worked hard to build.[/QUOTE]
lmao what even is this post. It's the same anti-generational circlejerking I see everywhere from Fox News to my grandmas facebook and people are actually agreeing with it
[t]https://i.imgur.com/7seqvzi.jpg[/t]
In this photo, evil snowflakes destroy America, date estimated at 2017
A lot of the [U]vocal[/U] social justice movements SEEM like they are trying to spark something that is 'historically significant' or they seem to be trying to find their own identity through creating a social movement of their own. Maybe that isn't accurate but that's my own take to it. Black/Woman/Gay/Anti-war movements had real weight behind them because there were some pretty fucked up things going on in the US, however things have quieted down to the point where you can see a lot of people living life without real racism or sexism, and due to not understand what true hate looks like they find it in places where its either non-existent or its a "micro-aggression" that is insignificant. We're seeing an outrage culture of people getting mad over things that are genuinely pretty mild, while during the mid 1900's black people were literally being treated as sub-human.
This isn't to say they aren't universally pointless but look at Evergreen. Tons of people had their education interrupted and the thing that sparked it was nothing, they didn't have the terrifying racial tension that you saw in the early to late 1900's and women aren't being oppressed nearly as much as they used to be, if at all. We haven't had a major war like ww2/cw for a good while either. Homosexuals have marriage rights and a lot of these protests aren't due to trans issues. Ok, so racism, sexism, homophobia isn't a factor, so lets think, why are these people really acting the way they do? The professors speech showed that he was the biggest non-racist out there. Are the students themselves racist? Do they just want free awards? Maybe they're struggling to find an identity in a world where generally most people are becoming more and more accepted as time goes on?
Racism, sexism, homophobia is clearly still a serious issue but aside from trans rights, nothing has really been going on that is nearly as big as old movements. the 2000's have been a relatively safe environment so far. Black people and even women have a clear chance at office and things are looking up for LGBT rights. There is no real major social movement that needs to happen in the US outside of the obvious current issues that aren't as widespread. The only major movement that we have won the biggest battle that they've been fighting for. Trans bathroom laws are important but not nearly as devastating as racial segregation was.
This all being said, tldr we still have massive issues with all forms of groups, but we're getting better. From my perspective, a lot of students seem to be struggling for 'their own social movement', if we're going to take a totally clean and non-cynical look at it. if we are going in dirty, they don't have a point like tons of 1900's protests did over mass systematic oppression.
thankfully it isn't so massively widespread where literally every school on earth is a yelling match, of course, so 'destroying America' isn't accurate. This is a vocal minority at best that just happens to be way way louder than other vocal minorities. Pretty fucking small minority all things considered. I would still avoid a campus known for having issues with students personally but WNY is a totally and completely tame and boring bit of land where nothing happens and people generally mind their own business.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52691875]Berkeley[/QUOTE]
Dude what's the deal with your Berkeley fetish. Give it a rest already.
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