Iraqi prime minister says German girl, 16, could be executed for joining Isis - Sensationalist Headlines

[t]https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/3Lm7JONB0yLF5m3sRyaF5w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NzQ0O2g9NDAx/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/97020b5f7e23a951e3eeb22d1628fade[/t] [quote]A German teenager dubbed a ‘jihadi bride’ could be executed for joining Isis, the prime minister of Iraq has said. Linda Wenzel, 16, is currently in a prison in Baghdad awaiting trial to find out if she faces the sentence of death by hanging. She was found in a basement in Mosul in July during an offensive by Iraqi forces to drive Isis from the city. She fled her home in Pulsnitz, eastern Germany to join Isis in Iraq after she exchanged messages with jihadists online. ‘You know teenagers under certain laws, they are accountable for their actions, especially if the act is a criminal activity when it amounts to killing innocent people,’ said Iraqi prime minister Haider al-Abadi. His country carried out at least 88 hanging executions last year and many people found guilty of terrorism offences have been sentenced to death since control of Mosul was taken back from Isis.[/quote] [url]https://uk.news.yahoo.com/iraqi-prime-minister-says-german-girl-16-executed-joining-isis-145814233.html[/url] [url]http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/7feb842d-5452-4f93-9729-086a6bd566e7[/url]

jeez, i wonder what her motivation was to join in the first place

[QUOTE=Garry #2;52694376]jeez, i wonder what her motivation was to join in the first place[/QUOTE] Propaganda & idiocy

Young minds are easily manipulated especially when they feel like they don't belong to the groups they currently have access to and that feeling of being special/belonging to something. Exclusivity even for something dumb is always enticing to someone.

[QUOTE=Garry #2;52694376]jeez, i wonder what her motivation was to join in the first place[/QUOTE] Hey I went through a teenage angst period, being a terrorist is the ultimate fuck you, not that I went that far, it was communism for me.

She made her choice, and now will face the consequence of it. If we live in a world where kids allowed to change their gender at young age, being 16 year old terrorist gives you no excuse over your own idiocy.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;52694447]She made her choice, and now will face the consequence of it. If we live in a world where kids allowed to change their gender at young age, being 16 year old terrorist gives you no excuse over your own idiocy.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure gender dysphoria isn't even close to the same mental thought processes as being susceptible to terrorist propaganda.

Regardless of someone's situation, nobody joins ISIS without a low-view of human life. It's not a missionary group. I can't sympathize with anyone involved in it, no matter how stupid they might be.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52694467]Pretty sure gender dysphoria isn't even close to the same mental thought processes as being susceptible to terrorist propaganda.[/QUOTE] She was still convinced that she should fly halfway across the world to kill people and risk being killed, this turn of events should come as no surprise to her. You would have to completely lack self-awareness to not understand that going to war to inflict pain and suffering on other people won't have equal consequences.

I don't feel sorry for her at all.

yeah guys killin kids is cool the fact that her brain isn't even fully developed has no bearing on whether she should be killed or not are we being fucking serious right now?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52694512]She was still convinced that she should fly halfway across the world to kill people and risk being killed, this turn of events should come as no surprise to her. You would have to completely lack self-awareness to not understand that going to war to inflict pain and suffering on other people won't have equal consequences.[/QUOTE] She didnt go there to kill people, she went there to build a glorious caliphate and have a happier and more orthodox future for herself, in her eyes. Noone "goes to war to inflict pain and suffering", people always have some good-hearted reasons behind why they need to kill other people in armed conflicts. She probably didnt even think about the beheadings.

What the fuck, she's literally unarmed, she won't harm anybody and she's still bloody kid. They should send her back to home, good psychologist and psychiatrist could actually help.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;52694447]She made her choice, and now will face the consequence of it. If we live in a world where kids allowed to change their gender at young age, being 16 year old terrorist gives you no excuse over your own idiocy.[/QUOTE] I'll bite. There's a decision involved in both of those cases, but there's a difference between voluntary choice, and involuntary punishment, it's not like she's the one deciding the severity of the punishment. Unless she killed a bunch of people or shot at iraqi security forces I don't see why a death penalty would be needed.

[QUOTE=Chucko Kokos;52694579]What the fuck, [B]she's literally unarmed, she won't harm anybody[/B] and she's still bloody kid. They should send her back to home, good psychologist and psychiatrist could actually help.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to get into the moral debate because I don't really think there is a right answer, but she and a bunch of other women were found armed with "guns and explosives", and some articles go so far to say she killed some of the Iraqi forces who found them.

Not sure how to feel about this. I agree that she made an idiotic decision (and that's a huge understatement), and should be held accountable for that. If her actions directly or almost directly lead to the deaths of innocents, I firmly believe that she should be punished harshly. However, the death penalty seems a bit extreme if she wasn't an active war fighter, and in my mind that should really be reserved for hard line ideologues and others that cannot or will not be rehabilitated. In an ideal world, she would be extradited back to Germany to stand trial there, and be sentenced to a prison sentence with some sort of rehabilitation (as German intelligence is attempting to do). However, there are many others who do similar actions, or even actions that are not nearly as ridiculously insane (just look at all of the non violent offenders in the US prison system as an example) as join a friggen terrorist group waging active warfare in a war torn country, and they do not get special treatment, benefit of the doubt, or otherwise. She shouldn't be put to death, but her ignorance or naivety is no excuse.

Do it. We need to show everyone: This Is What We Do To Terrorists. I've always understood that the Pile of Terrorist Corpses is the best way to discourage terrorism. You want to join ISIS/Al-Qaeda/etc? Sure, go ahead, you get the join the pile too. Worked for Russia when they used to have a terrorism problem.

[QUOTE=Funion;52694531]yeah guys killin kids is cool the fact that her brain isn't even fully developed has no bearing on whether she should be killed or not are we being fucking serious right now?[/QUOTE] I guess I need to point to that whole dave chappelle skit about 'how old is 15 really' because that applies here, sorta. I certainly don't think she should be killed or anything like that (so I'm not arguing against you or anything, just piggybacking off the whole brain developed bit), but people need to draw a line somewhere. What if she was 17, or 18? There are 15 and 16 year olds being sent to jail for life over accidental deaths and things like that. When you're that old, you know about shit like this and you should know the consequences of shit like that. And she totally did, but she did it anyways.

[QUOTE=Socram;52694610]I'm not going to get into the moral debate because I don't really think there is a right answer, but she and a bunch of other women were found armed with "guns and explosives", and some articles go so far to say she killed some of the Iraqi forces who found them.[/QUOTE] I meant. She wouldn't be able to harm anybody in prison, that was my point You know. Honestly I don't know how to feel about this right now.

[QUOTE=1chains1;52694423]Young minds are easily manipulated especially when they feel like they don't belong to the groups they currently have access to and that feeling of being special/belonging to something. Exclusivity even for something dumb is always enticing to someone.[/QUOTE] maybe more social group programs to help combat this?

This was a young woman from Germany. She had access to the internet and news sources showing her what ISIS did. She knew fully well what she was getting into because all the information was available to her. Younger people are easily more manipulated which is true, however I don't buy that she didn't know what she was doing was wrong or similar. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. You commit crimes in Iraq, you get punished under Iraqi Law. Fun fact, many women who lived under ISIS rule, from cities like Mosul,Manbij,Tikrit, Ramadi and Fallujah attest to many of the foreign ISIS bridges assisting in judicial killings with their husbands. Many of them being in the female version of ISIS' religious police, Hisbah.

I feel like the reaction this should be getting isn't "It's her fault" but rather "why the fuck are teenagers in our countries deciding to go to warzones to fight for ISIS and how do we deal with this?"

[QUOTE=certified;52694619]Do it. We need to show everyone: This Is What We Do To Terrorists. I've always understood that the Pile of Terrorist Corpses is the best way to discourage terrorism. You want to join ISIS/Al-Qaeda/etc? Sure, go ahead, you get the join the pile too. Worked for Russia when they used to have a terrorism problem.[/QUOTE] Yeah, we totally haven't already tried that for say... 16 years.

[QUOTE=certified;52694619]Do it. We need to show everyone: This Is What We Do To Terrorists. I've always understood that the Pile of Terrorist Corpses is the best way to discourage terrorism. You want to join ISIS/Al-Qaeda/etc? Sure, go ahead, you get the join the pile too. Worked for Russia when they used to have a terrorism problem.[/QUOTE] This is a very shortsighted way of dealing with terrorists, and Russia didn't solve the terrorist problem at all. Why would terrorists care about being killed? The only goal you will accomplish with that is making fewer terrorists surrender, because why would they.

[QUOTE=certified;52694619]Do it. We need to show everyone: This Is What We Do To Terrorists. I've always understood that the Pile of Terrorist Corpses is the best way to discourage terrorism. You want to join ISIS/Al-Qaeda/etc? Sure, go ahead, you get the join the pile too. Worked for Russia when they used to have a terrorism problem.[/QUOTE] So your plan is to terrorize the terrorists/pre-emptivly terrorize the terrorists-to-be? Taking morality out of the equation, pragmatically that just seems like handing the terrorists justification fodder. If they've got good PR it could work on the level of "look at how cruel those people are, we need to stop them!", if they don't it still works on a "cruel people on both sides" false equivalency level of "see, we're not the bad guys, this is just how the game is played by *everyone*. Whoever out-terrorizes the other wins, that's just life." Force has worked in the past, but "catch flies with honey, not vinegar" has worked historically as well. In fact Russia lost quite a few ideologically aligned countries to the wealthy prospects of Western culture. Something similar seems to be stirring up North Korea at the moment, by way of smuggling USB drives filled with Western media.

I agree she needs to face consequences, but the death penalty isn't the answer. Not to mention, as of 1976 it's actually against international law to execute anyone under the age of 18.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52694713]I feel like the reaction this should be getting isn't "It's her fault" but rather "why the fuck are teenagers in our countries deciding to go to warzones to fight for ISIS and how do we deal with this?"[/QUOTE] Because you have youths who don't know what they want to do with their lives so they think going off to join a Islamic Salafist group is going to give them purpose. Check out the propaganda ISIS used to put out. HD, 60 FPS,clear footage of their fighters killing people and making a name for themselves, promising this same glory to western and local volunteers. While I can see locals doing it because they have beef with the government, are religiously retarded or being forced into it. A western volunteer has absolutely 0 excuse for why they were there. They were there for the reason of wanting to be in these propaganda films, kills people, rape women, and get paid doing all of it.

[QUOTE=certified;52694619]Do it. We need to show everyone: This Is What We Do To Terrorists. I've always understood that the Pile of Terrorist Corpses is the best way to discourage terrorism. You want to join ISIS/Al-Qaeda/etc? Sure, go ahead, you get the join the pile too. Worked for Russia when they used to have a terrorism problem.[/QUOTE] Lmao what a fucking crock of propaganda-churned yankee shit you just spat out. I'm somewhat agreeing with the idea of killing terror suspects when it's very much confirmed that they're preparing to commit a terror act but Jesus Christ why would you ever randomly slaughter people affiliated with them that's like the only way to make them be even more hardcore against you... ...which only plays into my next point and that is that the tiny little Russia statement you made is full of shit. Russians don't kill shit. Because they're too fucking incapable of killing shit, because their interior intelligence is too damn incapable of intercepting terror activities, which in turn causes near constant and pretty common terror attacks in otherwise fairly robust and secure places like international airports, metro stations, and various other high density places. On top of that, whenever the Ruskies try to intervene in a terror act they can prevent they tend to wreck localities and kill civilians with no damn regard for collateral, even if they're getting their asses kicked by a bunch of semi-literate islamist fucks. As a matter of fact, it's gotten so shit that the primary Russian tactic of dealing with regional insurgencies and islamist+Chechen terror threats is to simply funnel huge amounts of money into federal areas which are well known bases of operations for their internal terrorists, and to the tune of millions. All this cash is then funneled into the incredibly inept and corrupt local administrations which are so deep in cahoots with the terrorists and are so god damn corrupted to the point of basically being a black box system that the terrorists use Russian federal grant money to "appease their interests". Push it to the extreme and you get cunts like Ramzan Kadyrov existing in this new Russia. The best part though is that tactic doesn't even work right. Some radical cells are still genuinely fucking disgusted by the Russian Federation and they have been regularly and actively committing terror acts in Russia since the end of communism, sometimes killing and injuring hundreds if not thousands of people a year using tactics which make ISIS look like fucking playground bullies. Long story short, anything that happens to the Bride mentioned in the OP should be agreed bilaterally between Germany and Iraq, just executing her on the spot will do fuckall, and you're as full of shit as the garbage internet sources that made you think that unconditional mass murder of terror suspects is an effective thing all the cool guys do, because they don't even do that in the first place.

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;52694781]Because you have youths who don't know what they want to do with their lives so they think going off to join a Islamic Salafist group is going to give them purpose. Check out the propaganda ISIS used to put out. HD, 60 FPS,clear footage of their fighters killing people and making a name for themselves, promising this same glory to western and local volunteers. While I can see locals doing it because they have beef with the government, are religiously retarded or being forced into it. A western volunteer has absolutely 0 excuse for why they were there. They were there for the reason of wanting to be in these propaganda films, kills people, rape women, and get paid doing all of it.[/QUOTE] Nobody has any excuses to join ISIS, but everybody has a reason (or several of them). It's a damn unfortunate situation, and I feel sorry for everybody involved, including the girl herself.

Executing some brainwashed kid who was probably roped in by people likely exploiting mental illness/depression. Brilliant. She probably shouldn't just be handed straight back to her parents, but likely back to Germany held in state captivity for awhile for evaluation.