100+ Black-clad anarchists storm Berkeley rally, assaulting 5 - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]Black-clad anarchists on Sunday stormed into what had been a largely peaceful Berkeley protest against hate and attacked at least five people, including the leader of a politically conservative group who canceled an event a day earlier in San Francisco amid fears of violence. [b]The group of more than 100 hooded protesters, with shields emblazoned with the words "no hate" and waving a flag identifying themselves as anarchists, busted through police lines, avoiding security checks by officers to take away possible weapons. Then the anarchists blended with a crowd of 2,000 largely peaceful protesters who turned up to demonstrate in a "Rally Against Hate" opposed to a much smaller gathering of right-wing protesters.[/b] Berkeley police chief Andrew Greenwood defended how police handled the protest, saying they made a strategic decision to let the anarchists enter to avoid more violence. Greenwood said "the potential use of force became very problematic" given the thousands of peaceful protesters in the park. Once anarchists arrived, it was clear there would not be dueling protests between left and right so he ordered his officers out of the park and allowed the anarchists to march in. There was "no need for a confrontation over a grass patch," Greenwood said. Among those assaulted was Joey Gibson, the leader of the Patriot Prayer group, which canceled a Saturday rally and was then prevented from holding a news conference when authorities closed off the public square Gibson planned to use. Gibson has denounced racism and said he launched Patriot Prayer after several supporters of President Donald Trump were beaten at a Trump campaign stop in San Jose, California, last year. Authorities nonetheless feared the group's event could attract white nationalists, as it has in the past. ... Earlier in the day, police had set up barricades around park and checked people who entered to make sure they did not have prohibited items like baseball bats, dogs, skateboards and scarves or bandanas they could use to cover their faces. Officers arrested 13 people, most for having prohibited items, Greenwood said. [/quote] [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-berkeley-protests-20170827-story.html[/url] Some footage from the event today: [media]https://vimeo.com/231332000[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZvhg70QgQs[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/901910682030882816[/media] Honestly disturbing how consistently the Berkeley police have let this same area turn into a battleground. Especially with how often Antifa storm in armed against other groups who are law-abiding and disarmed by the checkpoints that just get broken.

[quote]The group of more than 100 hooded protesters, with shields emblazoned with the words "no hate" [/quote] What a staggering amount of hypocrisy. I have to wonder if they actually believe that or if they've managed to delude themselves into thinking that's what they're doing.

[quote]Berkeley police chief Andrew Greenwood defended how police handled the protest, saying they made a strategic decision to let the anarchists enter to avoid more violence.[/quote] Look at how well that worked out! Also first video in the OP was taken down

Actual lynch mob. Ironic.

[QUOTE=Perrine;52621181]Look at how well that worked out! Also first video in the OP was taken down[/QUOTE] Replaced it with a vimeo link. That is the second youtube link that has gone down of that exact video I have tried to use.

[quote]Berkeley police chief Andrew Greenwood defended how police handled the protest, saying they made a strategic decision to let the anarchists enter to avoid more violence.[/quote] We made a strategic decision to let angry anarchists run wild and do whatever they want. Not the kind of strategy I would hope for, these police were useless, they completely failed in their duties to keep the peace and protect civilians. Just break out the riot gear and let them know there will be a swift response to the violence.

Nice cherry picking but i wasn't expecting anything else from you tudd: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Xbi9Cqt.png[/IMG] "OH MY GAWWD, actual nazis were confronted"

[QUOTE=download;52621165]What a staggering amount of hypocrisy. I have to wonder if they actually believe that or if they've managed to delude themselves into thinking that's what they're doing.[/QUOTE] I have absolutely no doubt that they earnestly believe that they're the noble crusaders for all that is good [QUOTE=aydin690;52621255]Nice cherry picking but i wasn't expecting anything else from you tudd: "OH MY GAWWD, actual nazis were confronted"[/QUOTE] Therefore the footage of a herd of black clad thugs waving anarcho-communist flags chasing down a lone guy and beating him into the ground like a bunch of fucking animals is a non issue?

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52621258]I have absolutely no doubt that they earnestly believe that they're the noble crusaders for all that is good[/QUOTE] Well, they are.

[QUOTE=aydin690;52621259]Well, they are.[/QUOTE] If I'm not completely mistaken, the people Trilby Harlow is talking about here are the violent ones specifically.

[QUOTE=aydin690;52621259]Well, they are.[/QUOTE] violent anarcho communists are crusaders for all that is good? What the fuck man, that is not ok. [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52621249]We made a strategic decision to let angry anarchists run wild and do whatever they want. Not the kind of strategy I would hope for, these police were useless, they completely failed in their duties to keep the peace and protect civilians. Just break out the riot gear and let them know there will be a swift response to the violence.[/QUOTE] After the battle of Berkley earlier this year, it came out that the fucking mayor of berkely was in a semi-private facebook group for BAMN/By Any Means Necessary, which is like a subcult of anti-fa, which is very proud of their wanting to start violence. And who's leader, Yevette Felarka [URL="https://youtu.be/Ou_XUHgnNNI?t=227"]is basically a psycopath[/URL]. And during the "battle", the police got a stand down order from the mayor, which is why they never intervened with the anti-fa and free speech/constitutionalist protest skirmish. Something tells me that this was much the same, and they were ordered to just stand aside whenever anti-fa showed up.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;52621261]If I'm not completely mistaken, the people Trilby Harlow is talking about here are the violent ones specifically.[/QUOTE] Well, violence is the only language nazis and trump supports understand. Trump just pardoned somebody that was running actual concentration camps and plotted his own assassination and then jailed a teen for it [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversies"]and the list goes on[/URL]. "Dr. King's policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: [B]In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience.[/B] The United States [trump supporters] has none." -Stokely Carmichael

[QUOTE=aydin690;52621255] "OH MY GAWWD, actual nazis were confronted"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Black-clad anarchists on Sunday stormed into [B]what had been a largely peaceful Berkeley protest against hate [/B]and attacked at least five people, including the leader of a politically conservative group who canceled an event a day earlier in San Francisco amid fears of violence. The group of more than 100 hooded protesters, with shields emblazoned with the words "no hate" and waving a flag identifying themselves as anarchists, busted through police lines, avoiding security checks by officers to take away possible weapons. Then the anarchists blended with [B]a crowd of 2,000 largely peaceful protesters [/B]who turned up to demonstrate in a "Rally Against Hate" opposed to a much smaller gathering of right-wing protesters.[/QUOTE] Nothing in Tudd's article made gave an impression that the demonstration was full of violence, but I guess your hateboner for Tudd blurs your vision a bit.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52621249]We made a strategic decision to let angry anarchists run wild and do whatever they want. Not the kind of strategy I would hope for, these police were useless, they completely failed in their duties to keep the peace and protect civilians. Just break out the riot gear and let them know there will be a swift response to the violence.[/QUOTE] I read something about this on Twitter earlier. Other places had BLM escorting nazis through counterprotests to prevent violence from breaking out, and police in close proximity to intervene immediately if anything happens. There's definitely precedent for how to handle these things constructively even in the US, and after that recent disaster there's also precedent for what happens when police stay away. I'm pretty sure that if police stand down at this point, they're either really incompetent or someone intentionally tries to let the situation escalate.

[QUOTE=aydin690;52621267]Well, violence is the only language nazis and trump supports understand. Trump just pardoned somebody that was running actual concentration camps and plotted his own assassination and then jailed a teen for it [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversies"]and the list goes on[/URL]. "Dr. King's policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: [B]In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience.[/B] The United States [trump supporters] has none." -Stokely Carmichael[/QUOTE] So first it's "the violent people were in the minority, they don't represent us!" and now it's "the violent people are right to do that!"

[QUOTE=Bertie;52621268]Nothing in Tudd's article made gave an impression that the demonstration was full of violence, but I guess your hateboner for Tudd blurs your vision a bit.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Honestly disturbing how consistently the Berkeley police have let this same area turn into a [B]battleground[/B]. Especially with how often Antifa storm in armed against other groups who are law-abiding and disarmed by the checkpoints that just get broken. [/QUOTE] Battleground isn't a word i'd use to describe a largely peaceful protest. Here's a video of one of the "law-abiding" trump supporters pepper spraying people before getting beat up: [media]https://twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/901910367239938048[/media]

[QUOTE=aydin690;52621259]Well, they are.[/QUOTE]uhhhhh, pretty sure there's many other non-radical groups that are much better than these guys

[QUOTE=aydin690;52621255]Nice cherry picking but i wasn't expecting anything else from you tudd: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Xbi9Cqt.png[/IMG] "OH MY GAWWD, actual nazis were confronted"[/QUOTE] But no one is saying that the peaceful protest didn't happen, or that the peaceful protest is to blame for the fights. This is just an event within the larger event that actually happened and is actually messed up. I will agree that if we focus only on the violent actions of a few, then things will always seem worse, but I'd rather over-focus and be called "problematic" for sharing a video of "relatively little violence", than ignore or downplay the criminal and malicious behavior that took place. Also, the actions of that Trump supporter with pepper spray need to be focused on too.

[QUOTE=aydin690;52621267]Well, violence is the only language nazis and trump supports understand. Trump just pardoned somebody that was running actual concentration camps and plotted his own assassination and then jailed a teen for it [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversies"]and the list goes on[/URL]. "Dr. King's policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: [B]In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience.[/B] The United States [trump supporters] has none." -Stokely Carmichael[/QUOTE] I'm aware of all of this. That's why we deplatform them here and utilise [I]democratically delegated[/I] violence as [I]last resort[/I] to prevent them from spreading their filth. Instead of feeding them ideological ammunition like the people in the OP videos are doing. (They're doing a good job at completely negating the peaceful protest's impact by stealing close to 100% of the media attention.) [editline]edit[/editline] I'm going to use a little strong language since I feel not doing that would lead to an understatement no matter what: Violent antifa are trash that hurts almost all left-wing causes as collateral damage for their violence boner. If you think they're doing any good in this situation, you're either an idiot, completely sheltered or intentionally ignorant. Possibly more than one of these options. Whatever the case, I'd very much appreciate if you shoved your promotion of random violence into the trash where it belongs.

[QUOTE=download;52621273]So first it's "the violent people were in the minority, they don't represent us!" and now it's "the violent people are right to do that!"[/QUOTE] No, there was no large scale violence but even those people that resorted to violence were still fighting hate, with the only language nazis and trump supporters understand. [editline]28th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zang-Pog;52621278]They should really look into getting more competent police officers to Berkeley. This violent behaviour is the dumbest shit and it shouldn't be allowed to constantly keep happening like this, it'll only get worse and worse as they let it happen[/QUOTE] Police in Berkley are very competent. The thing is, they're ok with the protestors and they're on their side because most of the police force are actually from the community. If you spend any considerable time in Berkley you'd understand why all of these extreme right groups are organizing their shit in Berkley (none of them are even from Berkeley or even anywhere close to it), they're fishing for this kind of reaction to get media reaction and play the victim card.

[QUOTE=aydin690;52621267]Well, violence is the only language nazis and trump supports understand[/QUOTE] Go on then, make that argument. I dare you. [QUOTE] Trump just pardoned somebody that was running actual concentration camps[/QUOTE] Also i'm not gonna doubt that that guy is a corrupt, immoral bastard, but no way in hell can a county sheriff start a concentration camp. All you had to do to deeply criticize the man was tell even a little bit of the truth, but you had to outright lie and just crank the dial up to 12. Why would you do that? I genuinely don't understand why you'd feel compelled to accuse this guy of non-existant crimes against humanity when just accurately reporting his nature would be enough to color him as basically irredeemable I think there's something wrong with you

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52621287] Also i'm not gonna doubt that that guy is a corrupt, immoral bastard, but no way in hell can a county sheriff start a concentration camp. All you had to do to deeply criticize the man was tell even a little bit of the truth, but you had to outright lie and just crank the dial up to 12. Why would you do that? I genuinely don't understand why you'd feel compelled to accuse this guy of non-existant crimes against humanity when just accurately reporting his nature would be enough to color him as basically irredeemable[/QUOTE] [URL="http://americasvoice.org/blog/arpaio-boasts-about-his-concentration-camp-calls-out-puente-arizona-for-challenging-him/"]Arpaio himself proudly called it a concentration camp lol. [/URL]

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52621287][...] Also i'm not gonna doubt that that guy is a corrupt, immoral bastard, but no way in hell can a county sheriff start a concentration camp. [...][/QUOTE] I'd have to look it up, but iinm that's in his own words. [editline]edit[/editline] What aydin690 linked. It takes about five minutes of research to figure out that he's been a good contender for 'most atrocious police official of the year' for decades. [editline]28th August 2017[/editline] This is derailing the thread a little bit, but everyone who's not aware please read [media]https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/901828718758428672[/media]. He's way closer to a walking human rights violation than I thought possible for someone in office in the US.

[QUOTE=aydin690;52621294][URL="http://americasvoice.org/blog/arpaio-boasts-about-his-concentration-camp-calls-out-puente-arizona-for-challenging-him/"]Arpaio himself proudly called it a concentration camp lol. [/URL][/QUOTE] ok but that's not literally a concentration camp, that's just some horrible fucking quasi prison. Not a death camp for racial/ethnic/social/political groups run by the state, who's prisoners are held without trial. I'm not vouching for his morale charicter, or in any way saying that's not some blight on basic decency, but that isn't a concentration camp, even if he thinks it is.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52621341]ok but that's not literally a concentration camp, that's just some horrible fucking quasi prison. Not a death camp for racial/ethnic/social/political groups run by the state, who's prisoners are held without trial. I'm not vouching for his morale charicter, or in any way saying that's not some blight on basic decency, but that isn't a concentration camp, even if he thinks it is.[/QUOTE] Concentration Camp noun 1. A guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc., especially any of the camps established by the Nazis prior to and during World War II for the confinement and persecution of prisoners. Please explain why his racially targeted camps in an area of concentration are not concentration camps.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52621341]ok but that's not literally a concentration camp, that's just some horrible fucking quasi prison. Not a death camp for racial/ethnic/social/political groups run by the state, who's prisoners are held without trial. I'm not vouching for his morale charicter, or in any way saying that's not some blight on basic decency, but that isn't a concentration camp, even if he thinks it is.[/QUOTE] This is fucking terrifying. You're ready to give a pass to a prison with outright torturous treatment specifically targeted at minorities just because you think it's [B]technically[/B] not a concentration camp. I've always known that this is EXACTLY how these things are normalized, but I'm still baffled to see a concentration camp apologist first-hand

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52621287]Go on then, make that argument. I dare you. Also i'm not gonna doubt that that guy is a corrupt, immoral bastard, but no way in hell can a county sheriff start a concentration camp. All you had to do to deeply criticize the man was tell even a little bit of the truth, but you had to outright lie and just crank the dial up to 12. Why would you do that? I genuinely don't understand why you'd feel compelled to accuse this guy of non-existant crimes against humanity when just accurately reporting his nature would be enough to color him as basically irredeemable I think there's something wrong with you[/QUOTE] I must echo your last paragraph. They're not death camps and that's all I'm going to give you. The county sheriff couldn't do that because he would be [B]1)[/B] Taken to court - which Arpaio was. [B]2)[/B] In trouble with feds - which Arpaio was. [B]3)[/B] Sentenced - which Arpaio was. The only difference from the usual is that he just got presidential pardon. That does not stop him being an utter criminal with absolute indifference to human rights. Worse yet, his case shows one can get away with it because The Donald will have your back in return for unconditional support. Cross-posting awesome content: [QUOTE=Snowmew;52615357]Arpaio did some great things though: - Extremely popular sheriff with thousands of TV appearances - Saved the county $70,000 by requiring inmates to wear pink underwear so that it wouldn't be stolen on release, despite the fact that he soon after ran a re-election campaign during which he sold the pink underwear to the public to publicize this fact - Oversaw the worst pattern of racial profiling in US history, according to the DOJ's investigation of racial profiling and employment bias - Failed to fully investigate approximately 75% of cases - Failed to arrest any suspects in approximately 85% of investigations - Failed to investigate hundreds if not thousands of sex crimes - Failed to investigate several serious crimes, including the rapes of several teenage girls, marking them as "solved" without investigation, before DNA testing was complete, or without identifying a suspect at all, in contravention of state-mandated crime-reporting protocol based on the FBI UCR - Failed to arrest dozens of suspected child molesters, instead diverting resources and funds to white-collar cases involving his political opponents, including a mortgage fraud case in his hometown - Failed to account for $600,000 worth of funding for additional detectives to investigate child abuse, resulting in no additional detectives added to the sex-crimes squad - Failed to read DOJ race guidelines and did not know what the 14th Amendment was when deposed for racial profiling cases - Failed to maintain his department's federal authority to identify and detain illegal immigrants under DHS rules due to extreme abuse of racial profiling and discrimination - Failed to abide by the 4th Amendment by detaining several Latino tourists in separate instances for several hours on suspicion of illegal immigration with no evidence beyond racial profiling, most instances of which resulted in their release without charges and spawned a class-action lawsuit of which he openly destroyed evidence for, lied about, and mocked, for which he was rebuked multiple times, and ultimately resulted in taxpayers paying $4.4 million in attorney's fees - Forced an 18-year-old to build a pipe bomb with materials his staff supplied and arrested him for doing so in a re-election publicity stunt that resulted in him being unlawfully detained for four years awaiting trial and awarded $1.6 million of taxpayer money in a settlement - Forced inmates to eat moldy bread and rotten fruit, housed them in extremely hot cramped cells, denied critical medical and mental health care, and refused to provide basic toiletries, all for inmates who mostly were not convicted of a crime, to the point where he was ordered to stop twice by a district court and once by the Ninth Circuit - Forced female inmates to sleep in their own menstrual blood, assaulted pregnant inmates, ignored inmate rape claims, and discriminated against Latino prisoners with limited English skills - Forced the DOJ to file suit to compel his cooperation to obtain access to documents and facilities, something they had never done before against a law enforcement agency - Lied to teenage rape victims about the results of their rape kits to clear cases prematurely - Lied about his political opponent by claiming he molested his own mother, when in reality he was sexually abused as a teenager by her - Lied about an ongoing criminal investigation of a judge who ruled against him, as well as the DOJ, US Attorney General, the mayor, and officers who had resigned, and hired a private investigator to follow the judge and his wife - Misspent his own campaign committee's funds to fund attack ads against two opponents of his politician friends, for which he was fined $153,978 - Misspent $100 million of funds for detention facilities on patrol officers, investigations of political rivals, human-smuggling investigations, and luxury vacations for himself and upper-ranking members of his office, and kept a separate set of personnel books to hide the fact that this money was not going to detention officers' salaries - Wasted $456,000 on a custom inmate transport bus which could not be used due to his violation of county procurement rules - Wasted six months to investigate Obama's birth certificate and Selective Service card, then lied during a press release about the correct layout of the document, which he continued to use as the basis for his claims of forgery to this day - Wasted $3.75 million of taxpayer money on settling a lawsuit in which he unlawfully arrested two journalists under fake charges after they published a news article describing an investigation of his office - Attempted to criminally indict the state Attorney General, several judges, county supervisors, and other political opponents, all of which failed either in court, by voluntary rescinding, or at the grand jury level (signalling that there was absolutely no evidence to substantiate the claim), and spent over $45 million of taxpayer money on these failed investigations and settling the resulting lawsuits, for which the attorney who helped him was disbarred after an Arizona Supreme Court ruling found "clear and convincing evidence" that he "outrageously exploited power, flagrantly fostered fear, and disgracefully misused the law" by bringing unfounded and malicious criminal and civil charges against them - Attempted to throw former employees under the bus to defend himself from claims of failure to stop racial profiling, for which he attempted to (again) spoliate evidence and was held in criminal contempt on three counts by willfully violating an order of the court, for which he was pardoned. If you believe this man is an American patriot, you are either misinformed, racist, or regressive. If you are not simply shocked by his history of jaw-droppingly un-American behavior, you need to have a reality check. This man has done nothing but exploit his position for his personal gain and has made a complete fool out of each and every member of US law enforcement. He has wasted hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars on political and racial witch hunts with nothing to show for it but a long list of defeats. He makes Chris Christie blush with how badly he has mismanaged not only his own department, but money of his own constituents through clear fraud and embezzlement. He continuously abused his power to win elections by a variety of patently illegal means, both civil and criminal. This has all been proven time and time again in a string of courtroom losses, of which he will constantly lie about to this very day, and has an obvious history of mocking and ignoring. He has absolutely zero respect for the rule of law. He has absolutely no business in any branch of government. He has absolutely proven the need for his conviction, arrest, and detainment. But if the liberals get mad over something Trump does, that must mean he's done the right thing. Welcome to /r/t_d.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52621287]Go on then, make that argument. I dare you. Also i'm not gonna doubt that that guy is a corrupt, immoral bastard, but no way in hell can a county sheriff start a concentration camp. All you had to do to deeply criticize the man was tell even a little bit of the truth, but you had to outright lie and just crank the dial up to 12. Why would you do that? I genuinely don't understand why you'd feel compelled to accuse this guy of non-existant crimes against humanity when just accurately reporting his nature would be enough to color him as basically irredeemable I think there's something wrong with you[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52621341]ok but that's not literally a concentration camp, that's just some horrible fucking quasi prison. Not a death camp for racial/ethnic/social/political groups run by the state, who's prisoners are held without trial. I'm not vouching for his morale charicter, or in any way saying that's not some blight on basic decency, but that isn't a concentration camp, even if he thinks it is.[/QUOTE] I feel compelled to double down on just how fucking abhorrent this reaction is. Because some will take this at face value, and think that you're not an apologist just because you're offering some minor condemnations on the side. So here is a bit of a breakdown of how Trilby Harlow looks at this situation. You see the racial profiling. The institutionalized racism, and a damn clear example of it. Terrorizing people out of hate for the fact that they were born with a different skin color. But you don't latch onto that. You see the disregard for human rights. The outright torture of inmates. Atrocious, war crime-tier treatment of human beings that killed some, and will leave many more scarred for life. But that's not what you focus on, either. But the concentration camp comparison? That's when you jump in. The only time. The only fucking time you will ever get to take the "it's not [B]that[/B] bad!" position. That's when you engage. We all know that no one here would accept an overt defense of Arpaio. But as soon as someone brings up another heinous crime against humanity? That's your opening for taking his side, because it allows you to mask your support for a racist torturer with condemnation of other racist torturers. I'm here to tell you it didn't work.

This is not the way you do things, You wait until after all your rights and guns are taken away before you start violence.

How do you wanna bet that the Alt-right is paying these groups.