No such thing as 'fat but fit', major study finds. - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]‘Metabolically healthy obese’ are 50% more likely to suffer heart disease than those of normal weight, finds University of Birmingham study People who are obese run an increased risk of heart failure and stroke even if they appear healthy, without the obvious warning signs such as high blood pressure or diabetes, according to a major new study. The findings, presented at the European Congress on Obesity in Porto, Portugal, may be the final death knell for the claim that it is possible to be obese but still metabolically healthy – or “fat but fit” – say scientists. Several studies in the past have suggested that the idea of “metabolically healthy” obese individuals is an illusion, but they have been smaller than this one. The new study, from the University of Birmingham, involved 3.5 million people, approximately 61,000 of whom developed coronary heart disease. Source: [url]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study[/url][/QUOTE] :dewritos:

always makes me lol when I hear someone say they're healthy when they are fat as fuck

sad we needed a study to inform people that being obese is unhealthy.

As a fat person I always thought this was obvious? But I always :xfiles: to further justify my decision to not give a shit.

Yep. The sky is still blue

[QUOTE=Scot;52240109]sad we needed a study to inform people that being obese is unhealthy.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, watch people disregard it because it clashes with their world view.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;52240152]Unfortunately, watch people disregard it because it clashes with their world view.[/QUOTE] more body oppression from the thinatriarchy :dewritos:

[QUOTE=Craigewan;52240152]Unfortunately, watch people disregard it because it clashes with their world view.[/QUOTE] Yeah well the whole thing is just arriving at a conclusion, "being fat is healthy", and working backwards to try and prove it. Not all fat people are like this ,but the ones that are need to seriously stop being delusional. I totally agree that you should stop treating fat people like shit, and if you wanna be really overweight, I guess that's your choice. You're an adult. But it's [I]unhealthy.[/I] It's undebatably not fucking healthy. Seeing people react to something by going too far in the other direction pisses me off

what they're talking about here seems obvious but from the title alone i thought maybe they'd be talking about strongman builds. [img]http://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eddiehall.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Mattk50;52240320]what they're talking about here seems obvious but from the title alone i thought maybe they'd be talking about strongman builds. [img]http://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eddiehall.png[/img][/QUOTE] That man is certainly strong, but that can't be healthy... There has to be a heart problem hiding in there somewhere.

[QUOTE=Scot;52240109]sad we needed a study to inform people that being obese is unhealthy.[/QUOTE] it's not just ignorance it's addict behavior. They do not want to consider for a second that their main source of comfort is killing them so they spread this HAES bullshit. It's a big problem when the majority of the population has an idea of the impacts of obesity that's far rosier than the reality.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52240330]That man is certainly strong, but that can't be healthy... There has to be a heart problem hiding in there somewhere.[/QUOTE] And why is that?

[QUOTE=lekkimsm;52240367]And why is that?[/QUOTE] It just seems common that people of that much mass have some sort of complication. I could very well be wrong too. But that level of bodybuilding is pretty well past "natural" levels. There's a very intense and dedicated regimen that these guys adhere to. The level of strain they put on their body can't be good for either their bones or their heart.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;52240320]what they're talking about here seems obvious but from the title alone i thought maybe they'd be talking about strongman builds. [img]http://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eddiehall.png[/img][/QUOTE] Isn't that muscle, not fat though?

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52240379]It just seems common that people of that much mass have some sort of complication. I could very well be wrong too. But that level of bodybuilding is pretty well past "natural" levels. There's a very intense and dedicated regimen that these guys adhere to. The level of strain they put on their body can't be good for either their bones or their heart.[/QUOTE] Hey maybe they are those scandinavian guys with dense bones and huge musculature. I would say, from my completely non expert view, that they are fine up until some age after which the muscles start becoming weaker and therefore aren't strong enough to support all their weight so the bones, disks, ligaments start getting fucked up. And that's when you start taking supplements and doing 5 3 1 without cardio, I guess? [editline]17th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52240393]Isn't that muscle, not fat though?[/QUOTE] Yeap. It's muscle, a lot, with a layer of fat on top. Guess you can't take the luxury of cutting when you are DL'ing 350kg EDIT: What I find funny and that nobody mentions (Mostly) when people discuss the paleo diet or stuff like that, is that, in most pictures, wall paintings and recreations, in the past there was an ABSOLUTE lack of fat people being representend. In fact, if I'm not wrong, people in power who didn't handle manual tasks were the ones who started appearing fat. And they were the ones who only suffered from glut, as they ate too much protein. So somewhere down the line either we fucked up our diet or we stopped doing exercise or both. It can't be the pseudoDarwin theory which goes "But fat people now were given a chance to reproduce!" as if there could be enough genetic change in the span of 400 years ffs.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52240399]Hey maybe they are those scandinavian guys with dense bones and huge musculature. I would say, from my completely non expert view, that they are fine up until some age after which the muscles start becoming weaker and therefore aren't strong enough to support all their weight so the bones, disks, ligaments start getting fucked up. And that's when you start taking supplements and doing 5 3 1 without cardio, I guess?[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to say the guy is going to fall over dead at 35 years old. But I would wager that he's going to have some kind of complication derived from over-work, and the heart and bones would be the first place for somebody like him.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52240422]I'm not trying to say the guy is going to fall over dead at 35 years old. But I would wager that he's going to have some kind of complication derived from over-work, and the heart and bones would be the first place for somebody like him.[/QUOTE] More like in his 50's, 60's right? I just looked up Arnold Scwharznegger career and he had a heart surgery. Related to anabolics, I guess?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52240399]Hey maybe they are those scandinavian guys with dense bones and huge musculature. I would say, from my completely non expert view, that they are fine up until some age after which the muscles start becoming weaker and therefore aren't strong enough to support all their weight so the bones, disks, ligaments start getting fucked up. And that's when you start taking supplements and doing 5 3 1 without cardio, I guess?[/QUOTE] Yeah, but if I remember correctly, even runners that compete in extremely strenuous competitions (ironman competitions, multiple marathons in a year, etc) place themselves at risk for heart problems. The explanation that I was given was that as your heart is placed under stress, it adapts and grows stronger. However, a strong heart is only useful up to a point, until the increased muscle mass and thickness causes the heart to become less efficient at pumping blood (can't fully contract the chambers or something). I could be wrong, but it seems that while exercise is great for your body, pushing the extremes can cause damage and problems later on.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52240422]I'm not trying to say the guy is going to fall over dead at 35 years old. But I would wager that he's going to have some kind of complication derived from over-work, and the heart and bones would be the first place for somebody like him.[/QUOTE] Well essentially the study's conclusions were that a low BMI and a decent exercise habit (esp cardio) would have heart protective results later in life. While risk of death would go up for somebody obese but otherwise healthy from cardiovascular causes, regular exercise would still make them healthier than if they were sedentary. Commonly when you're dealing with cases of sudden cardiac death, at 26% the most common cause of sudden death is HCM (or an unexplainable increase in the size of the heart muscle) which has a prevalence of 1 in 500 individuals, healthy or otherwise. This can lead to subsequent arrythmias and disruptions in the normal cardiac cycle, which eventually leads to death either via ischemia, or VT/VF which, if it becomes refractory, can lead to death regardless of attention given according to the ACLS protocol. The other common cause of sudden death is commotio cordis, but that's not relevant to the current topic of discussion since it involves electrical disruption from a blow to the chest wall as the heart enters a refractory phase. HCM can be dealt with by ensuring the patient refrains from all strenuous activities, though that means ending their careers in the process if they're bodybuilders or what not.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52240442]More like in his 50's, 60's right? I just looked up Arnold Scwharznegger career and he had a heart surgery. Related to anabolics, I guess?[/QUOTE] I mean, it's not necessarily steroids. It's just the fact that this guy is doing absolutely inhuman things on a somewhat regular basis. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Strongest_Man#Competition_format_and_commonly_contested_events[/url] Take a look at that, imagine the training you have to do to get there. That type of training doesn't allow for downtime either. No matter how you condition your body, that level of intensity will catch up to you down the road.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52240442]More like in his 50's, 60's right? I just looked up Arnold Scwharznegger career and he had a heart surgery. Related to anabolics, I guess?[/QUOTE] Arnold wasn't a strongman bodybuilder though, he was a model bodybuilder who are basically following the book of zero body fat which is really bad, compared to the strongman build which is technically on the more healthy side as its got a balance of muscle to fat which the body requires, the model bodybuilder is basically starving themselves to keep that muscular profile. Also Arnold's condition was mostly steroids which he abused the fuck out of in his early years, combine that on top of the zero fat bodybuilding it really ravages the body. Anyway back to the topic, no shit basically.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52240453]Well essentially the study's conclusions were that a low BMI and a decent exercise habit (esp cardio) would have heart protective results later in life. While risk of death would go up for somebody obese but otherwise healthy from cardiovascular causes, regular exercise would still make them healthier than if they were sedentary. Commonly when you're dealing with cases of sudden cardiac death, at 26% the most common cause of sudden death is HCM (or an unexplainable increase in the size of the heart muscle) which has a prevalence of 1 in 500 individuals, healthy or otherwise. This can lead to subsequent arrythmias and disruptions in the normal cardiac cycle, which eventually leads to death either via ischemia, or VT/VF which, if it becomes refractory, can lead to death regardless of attention given according to the ACLS protocol. The other common cause of sudden death is commotio cordis, but that's not relevant to the current topic of discussion since it involves electrical disruption from a blow to the chest wall as the heart enters a refractory phase. HCM can be dealt with by ensuring the patient refrains from all strenuous activities, though that means ending their careers in the process if they're bodybuilders or what not.[/QUOTE] I'm certainly not going to argue with a doctor on this lol, but was that directed at the bodybuilder/World's Strongest Man or just the fat/fit crowd in general?

Yeah sounds about right, I have a layer of muscle underneath my much larger layer of fat so while I look soft anyone who ends up poking me or something gets surprised when I'm not as soft as they think. Except I still struggle and grunt doing normal tasks and my knees do get sore faster than anything else so I still need to shed some weight

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52240468]I'm certainly not going to argue with a doctor on this lol, but was that directed at the bodybuilder/World's Strongest Man or just the fat/fit crowd in general?[/QUOTE] both, you could say. Just felt like outlining how the heart risks work in general, most of the other causes are far less common when you're talking about sudden death from heart related causes.

I think most people misunderstand the difference from being strong and being fit.

I had to stop myself from taking part in this conversation with the tumblr girls at school yesterday.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;52240320]what they're talking about here seems obvious but from the title alone i thought maybe they'd be talking about strongman builds. [img]http://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eddiehall.png[/img][/QUOTE] Don't a lot of strongmen die quite young?

[QUOTE=Doozle;52240669]Don't a lot of strongmen die quite young?[/QUOTE] Can be due to any number of reasons such as cardiac stress, steroid abuse and its side effects, a bad diet, even simply pushing yourself too hard can lead to an early death among athletes like that.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52240682]Can be due to any number of reasons such as cardiac stress, steroid abuse and its side effects, a bad diet, even simply pushing yourself too hard can lead to an early death among athletes like that.[/QUOTE] A lot of bodybuilding careers have ended prematurely when their practises ended up exacerbating an undetected heart condition. Some foolish people persisted and ended up with heart failure. I lift and my parents are absolutely [I]terrified[/I]that this would happen, so I do BP checks three times a week to make sure it's all good.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52240750]A lot of bodybuilding careers have ended prematurely when their practises ended up exacerbating an undetected heart condition. Some foolish people persisted and ended up with heart failure. I lift and my parents are absolutely [I]terrified[/I]that this would happen, so I do BP checks three times a week to make sure it's all good.[/QUOTE] Well honestly to check that there's nothing wrong with your heart it's better to get an ECHO done on a onetime basis if you haven't already to check all parameters, especially the size of your heart, quality of your heartbeat, and an ECG to rule out electrical abnormalities.