Phil Spencer wants to bring OG Xbox emulation to Windows 10 - Sensationalist Headlines

[t]http://i.imgur.com/RRtzKHjl.jpg[/t] The Duke controller, already confirmed for Windows [QUOTE]One of Microsoft's big announcements at its E3 press conference this year was support for Xbox backwards compatibility on the Xbox One. Not Xbox 360 backwards compatibility, which has been around for some time: OG Xbox backwards compatibility, starting with beloved air combat game Crimson Skies. Naturally, when we talked with Xbox chief Phil Spencer today, we asked [highlight]if[/highlight] we might see that emulation make its way to the PC in the future. His one-word answer? "Yes." "I want people to be able to play games!" he said. "[Emulation] is hard. [Xbox] 360 specifically is a PowerPC chip, emulated to x86, which is difficult. It's a little bit easier when you have a fixed spec, when you think about Xbox, Xbox One S, and Xbox One X. And you think of the variable specs of the PC space, so you're taking a fixed-spec PowerPC emulator and then moving it over to run on PC, so there's a lot of work there. "The original Xbox, OG Xbox, is a little bit easier, because that was an x86 chip it was running on. Obviously when we think about UWP and the ability for games to run across console and PC, we're getting closer. I want developers to be able to build portable applications, which is why we've been focusing on UWP for games and even apps that want to run on multiple devices. "So I think we've got work to go do there, but I think it's in our future[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.pcgamer.com/phil-spencer-wants-to-bring-og-xbox-backwards-compatibility-and-xbox-play-anywhere-to-pc/[/url] DO IT BABY BRING IT HOME :freakout: On another note, he does intend to bring Xbox Game Pass to Win10 as well: [QUOTE]We also asked Spencer about the Xbox Game Pass, a $10 monthly subscription that grants access to a library of Xbox One and Xbox 360 games. Given Microsoft's increased PC focus, could we see the Game Pass on PC, too? "I've said I want to bring Game Pass to the PC. The team doesn't love it when I pre-announce things, but I definitely want to bring Game Pass to PC," Spencer said. "It's a business model that I think could be good for creators, and when business models work for creators, it usually means good content will come for gamers. I like that. We don't have the deep catalog of games on PC that we do on console, so I've had some pushback from the marketing team that, well it wouldn't necessarily be the best feature right now, because we won't have enough games, but I just want to start. So I'm putting a lot of pressure on the team to go get enough content lined up to do something on the PC, and then make sure we have a long-term commitment to build."[/QUOTE]

How would it work for physical games? Would it be able to read an Xbox disc just fine?

[QUOTE=Irockz;52356500]How would it work for physical games? Would it be able to read an Xbox disc just fine?[/QUOTE] Aren't Xbox discs different from DVDs?

[QUOTE=Elstumpo;52356509]Aren't Xbox discs different from DVDs?[/QUOTE] Don't PS2 discs run fine through emulators? I imagine Microsoft could hack together some solution to read from a disc.

[QUOTE=The freeman;52356521]Don't PS2 discs run fine through emulators? I imagine Microsoft could hack together some solution to read from a disc.[/QUOTE] PS2 discs are truly just DVDs, though. Their game data can be accessed by any PC that can read DVDs. Xbox is not the same, they use a special technique so that games can't be ripped by a normal DVD drive.

[QUOTE=Elstumpo;52356509]Aren't Xbox discs different from DVDs?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the Xbox used a standard DVD drive.

Bring 360 emulation as well so we can get Halo 3 / Reach / ODST / Red Dead and more on PC. Even if it's not an official port its better than nothing at the time being.

[QUOTE=Irockz;52356500]How would it work for physical games? Would it be able to read an Xbox disc just fine?[/QUOTE] IIRC although the original Xbox could play DVDs, the game discs were some proprietary format and you can't read them in a computer. I remember you had to mod an Xbox and essentially use it as a disc drive to rip games. Modding them is also a remarkable pain in the ass... so I'd imagine if someone had found a way to read them on a typical PC drive, they would have done it by now.

bring TS2 and TS:FP and im a happy man

They just use dvd's, modding them is piss easy finding an up to date guide when you're starting fresh is what makes it confusing.

I'm pretty sure the disks were written from outside inwards for the original xbox. There were like 5 different models from different makers of drive and you needed whatever model your box came with it, if you needed a replacement. I had a modded xbox, when modded you can run disk images off the hard drive perfectly fine. However there was a specific LG disk drive your model had to have if you wanted to play burned disks reliably though, I forget the specifics.

[QUOTE=redBadger;52356543]Bring 360 emulation as well so we can get Halo 3 / Reach / ODST / Red Dead and more on PC. Even if it's not an official port its better than nothing at the time being.[/QUOTE] They'd sooner fix MCC then bring those to the PC separately. So, expect either after the heat death of the universe.

I'd be happy to play Conker: Live and Reloaded on PC, especially if the emulation supports upscaled resolutions. Here's hoping Microsoft pulls it off.

Would be cool of them to sell a disk drive that can read og discs of this becomes true

[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52356599]bring TS2 and TS:FP and im a happy man[/QUOTE] These both work well in dolphin

OG Xbox is a hilarious and awesome moniker for that system

[QUOTE=Snowmew;52356546]IIRC although the original Xbox could play DVDs, the game discs were some proprietary format and you can't read them in a computer. I remember you had to mod an Xbox and essentially use it as a disc drive to rip games. Modding them is also a remarkable pain in the ass... so I'd imagine if someone had found a way to read them on a typical PC drive, they would have done it by now.[/QUOTE] I thought game discks were just dvd with the sectors read differently, I'm sure with access to the original discs format they could get it reading

[QUOTE=ihatecompvir;52356533]PS2 discs are truly just DVDs, though. Their game data can be accessed by any PC that can read DVDs. Xbox is not the same, they use a special technique so that games can't be ripped by a normal DVD drive.[/QUOTE] Yeah, putting your xbox disc into a pc will actually return readable data it's a video file that tells you to put your disc into an xbox

The new Duke controller is gonna be so good. And by good I mean nostalgically awful.

[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52356599]bring TS2 and TS:FP and im a happy man[/QUOTE] OR JUST MAKE THE FOURTH ONE

[QUOTE=Snowmew;52356546]IIRC although the original Xbox could play DVDs, the game discs were some proprietary format and you can't read them in a computer. I remember you had to mod an Xbox and essentially use it as a disc drive to rip games. Modding them is also a remarkable pain in the ass... so I'd imagine if someone had found a way to read them on a typical PC drive, they would have done it by now.[/QUOTE] There's nothing really stopping it from working, other than the data format doesn't follow standard DVD conventions, which is why it doesn't work. The drives and Windows just see the DVD video partition that IS standard. It otherwise is a normal DVD. I could see them making a way to give the virtual machine direct access to the DVD drive to override that. After all, I guarantee the Xbox One was never designed with expectation that OG Xbox backwards compatibility was a possible use case. That's just a theory though, and it may require the game to be copied to the hard drive first. I'm guessing it really wasn't done in the homebrew scene was because once you Xbox was modded, its easier just to use that and transfer the game data over Ethernet. Rather than writing drivers and such. After all, especially reading from the HDD, the OG Xbox can fully saturate Fast Ethernet at ~11 Mb/s. Or hell, maybe they will just make it so it will just download the game from the store and its only used to check if you have a legit disc. That's not out of the cards either.

[QUOTE=SuperDuprKyle;52356939]OR JUST MAKE THE FOURTH ONE[/QUOTE] if a timesplitters remaster came out for pc, xox, and ps4 that had every mp map and character i would buy it for pc. if it were every mp map and characters plus all the campaigns i would buy it for all of them

[QUOTE=Demache;52356988]There's nothing really stopping it from working, other than the data format doesn't follow standard DVD conventions, which is why it doesn't work. The drives and Windows just see the DVD video partition that IS standard. It otherwise is a normal DVD. I could see them making a way to give the virtual machine direct access to the DVD drive to override that. After all, I guarantee the Xbox One was never designed with expectation that OG Xbox backwards compatibility was a possible use case. That's just a theory though, and it may require the game to be copied to the hard drive first. I'm guessing it really wasn't done in the homebrew scene was because once you Xbox was modded, its easier just to use that and transfer the game data over Ethernet. Rather than writing drivers and such. After all, especially reading from the HDD, the OG Xbox can fully saturate Fast Ethernet at ~11 Mb/s. Or hell, maybe they will just make it so it will just download the game from the store and its only used to check if you have a legit disc. That's not out of the cards either.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure it will work the same way how X360 BC works, you download the fixed game from their servers and the disc is only used to authenticate that you own the game. If you've bought the game directly from their store you don't need the disc because your account is used to authenticate that you own the game.

[QUOTE=Kinky Frog;52357272]Pretty sure it will work the same way how X360 BC works, you download the fixed game from their servers and the disc is only used to authenticate that you own the game. If you've bought the game directly from their store you don't need the disc because your account is used to authenticate that you own the game.[/QUOTE] Don't you think that the likelier option will be MS just letting us purchase the games again in the Windows Store?

I can see this working to expand the current state of UWP

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52356991]if a timesplitters remaster came out for pc, xox, and ps4 that had every mp map and character i would buy it for pc. if it were every mp map and characters plus all the campaigns i would buy it for all of them[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, with Crytek sitting on the IP it's not happening any time soon.

would this mean halo 1 with og graphics midtown madness 3????!!!!

[QUOTE=IntenseBarney;52357547]Unfortunately, with Crytek sitting on the IP it's not happening any time soon.[/QUOTE] Not really. Crytek is very close to going bankrupt, so someone might buy the IP and do something with it :v:

[QUOTE=AntonioR;52357677]Not really. Crytek is very close to going bankrupt, so someone might buy the IP and do something with it :v:[/QUOTE] I thought Amazon bought them

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