Horror on Bristol easyJet flight as pilot says there's only a 50-50 chance of engines working - Sensationalist Headlines

[IMG]http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276351/Article/images/30383596/16039052-large.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE][B]Passengers on an easyJet flight were horrified when the pilot asked them to VOTE on whether to take off - as there was only a "50/50 chance" of both engines working.[/B] The stunned holiday-makers were on the tarmac at Malaga airport, Spain, when the pilot asked for a show of hands as to whether they should take off. The unnamed pilot told passengers there was a high chance that only one engine would be working.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/horror-on-bristol-easyjet-flight-as-pilot-says-there-s-only-a-50-50-chance-of-engines-working/story-30383596-detail/story.html[/URL] :wideeye:

I can't tell if this is a parody news site or not.

At least the pilot has a sense of humor. I'm pretty certain the crew knew the plane was knackered and was going to be grounded anyways, and decided to have a bit of fun with it. Pissy babies the passengers are.

there was another story recently about someone having a go at one at a flight attendant, dont fly trash airlines and your less likely to be disappointed. even with airport tax its so fucking cheap to fly nowadays theres no excuse

[QUOTE=Amplar;52345835]At least the pilot has a sense of humor. I'm pretty certain the crew knew the plane was knackered and was going to be grounded anyways, and decided to have a bit of fun with it. Pissy babies the passengers are.[/QUOTE] It's -really- not the done thing to joke around with safety in the aviation industry... Wouldn't be shocked if these guys suddenly find themselves fired and blacklisted from major air carriers.

[QUOTE=Amplar;52345835]At least the pilot has a sense of humor. I'm pretty certain the crew knew the plane was knackered and was going to be grounded anyways, and decided to have a bit of fun with it. Pissy babies the passengers are.[/QUOTE] Considering the flight had already been delayed for 40 hours, I wouldn't call the passengers 'pissy babies'.

Even if, the plane wont fall out of the air like a stone when one engine is failing.

[QUOTE=DMGaina;52345940]Even if, the plane wont fall out of the air like a stone when one engine is failing.[/QUOTE] Oh, thank god. I feel safer flying with an engine gone kaput now!

[QUOTE=DMGaina;52345940]Even if, the plane wont fall out of the air like a stone when one engine is failing.[/QUOTE] you generally need full power for take off and climb... Most, if not all, twin+ engine craft (and all I have personal experience with) can only maintain at best level flight, usually at a decreased altitude, with 50% power. Keep in mind that this is a airline flight so it's probably at 90% of its weight limit too.

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52346006]you generally need full power for take off and climb... Most, if not all, twin+ engine craft (and all I have personal experience with) can only maintain at best level flight, usually at a decreased altitude, with 50% power. Keep in mind that this is a airline flight so it's probably at 90% of its weight limit too.[/QUOTE] Yes but during a regular flight, they can safely land at the next nearby airport. This happens from time to time and nobody reports on it and this small joke by the pilot is treated like a big drama and absolute horror.

[QUOTE=DMGaina;52346057]Yes but during a regular flight, they can safely land at the next nearby airport. This happens from time to time and nobody reports on it and this small joke by the pilot is treated like a big drama and absolute horror.[/QUOTE] They hadn't taken off yet and it seems they didn't know if they'd have full power. If they knew they'd have it - they should haven taken off without any memes. If they didn't know, they should have stayed grounded.

Seems like a nice joke to make if you have to tell people that you are not taking off. Because if they 'vote' to stay on the ground, which obviously most people would, it suddenly doesn't feel like the decision was forced on them.

[QUOTE=Amplar;52345835]At least the pilot has a sense of humor. I'm pretty certain the crew knew the plane was knackered and was going to be grounded anyways, and decided to have a bit of fun with it. Pissy babies the passengers are.[/QUOTE] Yeah, this. There's absolutely no way they would have actually used the plane. But hey, every twin engine plane can fly on just one engine, even take off. Obviously you wouldn't want to but it's no real danger

[QUOTE=TheTalon;52346237]But hey, every twin engine plane can fly on just one engine, even take off. Obviously you wouldn't want to but it's no real danger[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52346006]you generally need full power for take off and climb... Most, if not all, twin+ engine craft (and all I have personal experience with) can only maintain at best level flight, usually at a decreased altitude, with 50% power. Keep in mind that this is a airline flight so it's probably at 90% of its weight limit too.[/QUOTE] who do i believe

[QUOTE=343N;52346320]who do i believe[/QUOTE] You wouldn't take off with in an airplane knowing 1/2 your engines are dead. It doesnt matter if it can or cannot takeoff, you wouldnt do it. This plane was never leaving the ground.

[QUOTE=343N;52346320]who do i believe[/QUOTE] I have experience hands on flying twin engine prop craft but not jets. My experience with jets is only fucking around in sims non-seriously however, so I am not concrete on whether this particular craft is rated to take off on one engine. The mathematics and principles of flight are universal from your RC plane to your jetliner, so I'll apply my knowledge from flying twin engine prop craft. Let me explain my view point. Aircraft have various V speeds rated to them. The most important here are V1 and V2. V1 is the commit to fly speed, which is the speed that, once achieved, the takeoff should not be aborted. Once V1 is hit, take off must be continued. V2 is specific to multi engine craft, and is the speed at which the aircraft can climb off safely with one engine disabled. In the event of an engine failure once climbing out, if V2 is not hit, you try and land. These speeds are from the indicated airspeed which is [B][U]relative to the aircraft[/U][/B] in the fluid it is moving through. V1 is less than V2. Weather sucks dick so lets go through a scenario I've personally gone through a lot. So you're taking off. You have a dank strong headwind at ground level. You hurtle down the runway, hit V1, and rotate. You just get off the ground... Aaaaand the wind has changed to a ugly crosswind just above the ground, and no one reported it in a pirep because it shouldn't be an issue to a fully capable craft. If your plane has both engine running you probably barely notice this, but with 50% power... Without the wind forcing air over your flight surfaces your airspeed tanks and you're forced to try and land on what little runway remains, and probably land off of the runway you probably cleared 60% of, wrecking a jet, considering it'll be heavy as fuck. The pilots here probably didn't want to take off, and were herded by easyjet (who are focused on profitability) to take off and decided to pull this stunt to get out of a potentially unsafe situation. This was a colossally dumb decision by easyjet and the pilots.

[QUOTE=SEKCobra;52346154]Seems like a nice joke to make if you have to tell people that you are not taking off. Because if they 'vote' to stay on the ground, which obviously most people would, it suddenly doesn't feel like the decision was forced on them.[/QUOTE] I [I]really[/I] don't think most people would take it well in a situation like [I]this[/I] though.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;52346458]I [I]really[/I] don't think most people would take it well in a situation like [I]this[/I] though.[/QUOTE] "Ladies and Gentleman, due to unforeseen circumstances one of our engines doesn't work. There's a 50/50 chance that it might work, so we are going to have you vote on whether or not to start. Thank you for your understanding. *Beeeeeep*" Then people are offboarded and that's that. No reason for "Horror" or anything.

There really is no way a plane could take off safely with one engine. There is a 50/50 chance that they would run off the end of the runway and crash. There is another 50/50 chance that if that were to happen, the plane would instantly break apart and explode into a large fireball. There is then another 50/50 chance that no one survives. Then there is a 100% chance that easyJet gets sued and everyone's ticket price has to go up due them losing horribly. Now if they lost a engine while in the air, the plane is completely able to continue it's flight if needed (although they will most likely declare a emergency and land at the nearest airport).

Idk what everyone's all defensive about. The pilot said there was only a 50/50 chance of the [I]engines[/I] working, the wings were still fully operational. Could easily flap their way to their destination. C'mon, guys.

[QUOTE=Robman8908;52347082]Idk what everyone's all defensive about. The pilot said there was only a 50/50 chance of the [I]engines[/I] working, the wings were still fully operational. Could easily flap their way to their destination. C'mon, guys.[/QUOTE] Worst case scenario, folks might have to get out, give her a bit of a push.

[QUOTE=Robman8908;52347082]Idk what everyone's all defensive about. The pilot said there was only a 50/50 chance of the [I]engines[/I] working, the wings were still fully operational. Could easily flap their way to their destination. C'mon, guys.[/QUOTE] It's all about the speed really, long as they can accelerate down the runway and there's a ramp of some sort they can probably launch themselves and glide the rest of the way.

[QUOTE=jordguitar;52347040]There really is no way a plane could take off safely with one engine. There is a 50/50 chance that they would run off the end of the runway and crash. There is another 50/50 chance that if that were to happen, the plane would instantly break apart and explode into a large fireball. There is then another 50/50 chance that no one survives. Then there is a 100% chance that easyJet gets sued and everyone's ticket price has to go up due them losing horribly. Now if they lost a engine while in the air, the plane is completely able to continue it's flight if needed (although they will most likely declare a emergency and land at the nearest airport).[/QUOTE] All jets can take off and climb with a single engine failure otherwise it would not be safe at all, there have been plenty of cases where an engine has failed before it's off the runway, now if the speed is below V1 the standard procedure is to abort, if it's above there is no choice but to take off which isn't a big deal since it's already going nearly fast enough to take off with little or no additional runway required.

Isn't the chance always 50/50? Either engines work, or they don't

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;52347727]Isn't the chance always 50/50? Either engines work, or they don't[/QUOTE] This is not how statistics work. For example, there's a 50/50 chance that Postal will ban me for this post. He either will or he won't. [sp]He probably won't because he's a pussy[/sp] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("all i read was "ban me"" - postal))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;52347727]Isn't the chance always 50/50? Either engines work, or they don't[/QUOTE] :what: That assumes both possibilities are equally likely. If it's 99.9% likely that the engines both work, then it's Not 50/50 anymore

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;52347727]Isn't the chance always 50/50? Either engines work, or they don't[/QUOTE] Try actually imagining life working this way: There's a 10% chance your car will be red tomorrow because there was only 10 colors for your model. There's a 50% chance you'll wake up a woman because there are only 2 sexes (please just let this go for sake of joke). There's a 50% chance you'll be dead tomorrow because you can only be alive or dead. Some people should really think before they post stuff lol.

The only thing worse than making a dumb joke is missing a dumb joke.

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[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52346382]I have experience hands on flying twin engine prop craft but not jets. My experience with jets is only fucking around in sims non-seriously however, so I am not concrete on whether this particular craft is rated to take off on one engine. The mathematics and principles of flight are universal from your RC plane to your jetliner, so I'll apply my knowledge from flying twin engine prop craft. Let me explain my view point. Aircraft have various V speeds rated to them. The most important here are V1 and V2. V1 is the commit to fly speed, which is the speed that, once achieved, the takeoff should not be aborted. Once V1 is hit, take off must be continued. V2 is specific to multi engine craft, and is the speed at which the aircraft can climb off safely with one engine disabled. In the event of an engine failure once climbing out, if V2 is not hit, you try and land. These speeds are from the indicated airspeed which is [B][U]relative to the aircraft[/U][/B] in the fluid it is moving through. V1 is less than V2. Weather sucks dick so lets go through a scenario I've personally gone through a lot. So you're taking off. You have a dank strong headwind at ground level. You hurtle down the runway, hit V1, and rotate. You just get off the ground... Aaaaand the wind has changed to a ugly crosswind just above the ground, and no one reported it in a pirep because it shouldn't be an issue to a fully capable craft. If your plane has both engine running you probably barely notice this, but with 50% power... Without the wind forcing air over your flight surfaces your airspeed tanks and you're forced to try and land on what little runway remains, and probably land off of the runway you probably cleared 60% of, wrecking a jet, considering it'll be heavy as fuck. The pilots here probably didn't want to take off, and were herded by easyjet (who are focused on profitability) to take off and decided to pull this stunt to get out of a potentially unsafe situation. This was a colossally dumb decision by easyjet and the pilots.[/QUOTE] This is cool and all but how about you sum it up like this: If you hit V1 and your engine fails before or after rotating, you take off successfully with a dead engine, and immediately turn around to land. If you haven't hit V1 and your engine fails, you stop. You don't "need full power" to climb since the inertia of the plane is high enough to do so, you just won't want to be doing it for very long.