• Former New England Patriots player Aaron Hernandez kills himself in prison
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[t]https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2017/04/14/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Images/da98f13a9cc44c859704029cc5892bf9-da98f13a9cc44c859704029cc5892bf9-0-9446.jpg[/t] [QUOTE]Aaron Hernandez committed suicide in prison Wednesday morning, the Department of Correction said. According to a statement from the department, the former New England Patriots star was discovered hanging in his cell at the Souza Baranowski Correctional Center in Shirley, Mass., at approximately 3:05 a.m. “Mr. Hernandez was in a single cell in a general population unit,” the statement said. “Mr. Hernandez hanged himself utilizing a bedsheet that he attached to his cell window. Mr. Hernandez also attempted to block his door from the inside by jamming the door with various items.”[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Hernandez’s suicide comes five days after he was acquitted of murdering two men in Boston in 2012. However, he was still serving a life without parole sentence for murdering Odin L. Lloyd in North Attleborough in 2013.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/04/19/aaron-hernandez-kills-himself-prison/Hkp9wdGcZImoMBomJLMNVJ/story.html[/url]
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Holy fuck. It doesn't even seem that long ago people were discussing whether or not he was guilty and now here we are. That escalated super quickly.
[B]Aaron Hernandez’s conviction will be voided after suicide[/B] [QUOTE][B]In the eyes of the law, Aaron Hernandez died an innocent man when he committed suicide in his Massachusetts prison cell.[/B] According to the Boston Globe, the former New England Patriots tight end’s 2015 conviction for first-degree murder was still in the process of an appeal. [B]A legal principle called “abatement ab initio,” means that the death of Hernandez will revert the case to its status at the beginning, as if no conviction ever happened.[/B][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/19/15357076/aaron-hernandez-conviction-voided-suicide-guilty-trial-appeal[/url] Well dang. I didn't know that was a thing.
[QUOTE=Stroheim;52125616][B]Aaron Hernandez’s conviction will be voided after suicide[/B] [URL]http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/19/15357076/aaron-hernandez-conviction-voided-suicide-guilty-trial-appeal[/URL] Well dang. I didn't know that was a thing.[/QUOTE] Is that the real get out of jail free card? Trade-off doesn't seem worth it.
[QUOTE=Stroheim;52125616][B]Aaron Hernandez’s conviction will be voided after suicide[/B] [url]http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/19/15357076/aaron-hernandez-conviction-voided-suicide-guilty-trial-appeal[/url] Well dang. I didn't know that was a thing.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to figure out what the point of this is. All I can come up with is it makes going after restitution from his estate a bit more complex since it's a civil suit and not tacked onto the criminal charges.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;52124383]However, he was still serving a life without parole sentence for murdering Odin[/QUOTE] Thor's beard, how strong is this guy?
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;52126201]I'm trying to figure out what the point of this is. All I can come up with is it makes going after restitution from his estate a bit more complex since it's a civil suit and not tacked onto the criminal charges.[/QUOTE] I'm sure there are financial impacts here. If he had life insurance, I don't think that pays out for suicide. But if there's no official criminal conviction, it might help his estate fight off a civil suit. If he had other arrangements that would benefit his estate, but committing a crime would disallow any payout, then dying innocent would fix that. I don't see any other practical value to this. People might say 'clearing his name' but really who cares about that? He was convicted, so to a lot of people he died guilty no matter what this rule says. To people who were close to him, they see him the same whether he was guilty or not.
Life insurance pays for suicides if they occur several years after the creation of the policy.
I've been seeing a bunch of people share pictures of his daughter like "while you were all making jokes she just lost her father". No she didn't. She lost her father in 2013 when he decided to murder Odin Lloyd in cold blood. If anyone truly deserves sympathy it's Llyod's family.
[QUOTE=bdd458;52129054]I've been seeing a bunch of people share pictures of his daughter like "while you were all making jokes she just lost her father". No she didn't. She lost her father in 2013 when he decided to murder Odin Lloyd in cold blood. If anyone truly deserves sympathy it's Llyod's family.[/QUOTE] Be that as it may, the sins of the father shouldn't reflect on the next generation if they were no fault of theirs. Even if he was a criminal and gutter trash, he was still somebody's father. You can have sympathy for the innocent daughter as much as you can have it for the victim's family.
[QUOTE=bdd458;52129054]I've been seeing a bunch of people share pictures of his daughter like "while you were all making jokes she just lost her father". No she didn't. She lost her father in 2013 when he decided to murder Odin Lloyd in cold blood. If anyone truly deserves sympathy it's Llyod's family.[/QUOTE] Why is Hernandez's family less deserving of sympathy?
And to add on to this, you know how our society can be with assuming the sins of the father mean the offspring will turn out bad in their own way, to say nothing of being biased against them in the first place.
I almost never 'feel sorry' for family members of criminals, not because I hold the criminal's behavior against them. It's because I don't know them, so I don't know the circumstances of their lives. So I don't know what kind of relationship they had. So I don't know if they actually lost something or not. This daughter of his MAY have lost a great father. It's possible that whatever else he was doing, he was a great dad. On the other hand, he may have been a terrible, or at least absentee, father. For all I know she lost nothing. So it's not possible for me to feel sorry for her.
[QUOTE=bdd458;52129054]I've been seeing a bunch of people share pictures of his daughter like "while you were all making jokes she just lost her father". No she didn't. She lost her father in 2013 when he decided to murder Odin Lloyd in cold blood. If anyone truly deserves sympathy it's Llyod's family.[/QUOTE] okay so your stupid nitpicking means we can't feel bad that a 4 year old girl is going to grow up without a father? i didn't realize there was a statute of limitations on grievance, you heartless fucking cad
yah sucks for the kid but i read up on this guy and he maybe killed two people back in 2012, shot somebody else in the eye, and then killed that odin fellow-dude seemed like a psycho
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;52132962]This daughter of his MAY have lost a great father. It's possible that whatever else he was doing, he was a great dad. On the other hand, he may have been a terrible, or at least absentee, father. For all I know she lost nothing. So it's not possible for me to feel sorry for her.[/QUOTE] well i mean i'd feel sorry for someone who had a terrible father who just died
[QUOTE=FFStudios;52133002]okay so your stupid nitpicking means we can't feel bad that a 4 year old girl is going to grow up without a father? i didn't realize there was a statute of limitations on grievance, you heartless fucking cad[/QUOTE] While it is sad, he wasn't going to be much of a father figure while in prison for first-degree murder with zero chance for parole. EDIT It's just a shitty situation made worse
[QUOTE=FFStudios;52133002]okay so your stupid nitpicking means we can't feel bad that a 4 year old girl is going to grow up without a father? i didn't realize there was a statute of limitations on grievance, you heartless fucking cad[/QUOTE] i dont really feel bad about her not growing up around a shitty father, no. [editline]21st April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Nautsabes;52133058]yah sucks for the kid but i read up on this guy and he maybe killed two people back in 2012, shot somebody else in the eye, and then killed that odin fellow-dude seemed like a psycho[/QUOTE] He also seems to have been involved in multiple fights while in prison. quite frankly, she's better off without such a shitty influence in her life. though, aaron grew up in a bad neighborhood, just goes to show that we need to work on fixing poverty because then people wouldn't grow up in such shitty conditions which often lead them to becoming bad people.
I feel sorry for the kid that their father was so willing to throw away such talent and a lucrative career that would've made the child life so much better off. Aaron Hernandez is a fool that destroyed his own and other peoples families for a living.
[QUOTE=Stroheim;52125616][B]Aaron Hernandez’s conviction will be voided after suicide[/B] [url]http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/19/15357076/aaron-hernandez-conviction-voided-suicide-guilty-trial-appeal[/url] Well dang. I didn't know that was a thing.[/QUOTE] I heard Phillip DeFranco talk about this particular bit the other day. What it [i]could[/i] mean is that since the NFL was holding back a couple of million dollars since Hernandez voided his contract, that may be easily challenged now because of that law. Since the law basically strips his conviction, the NFL would have to pay Hernandez the money they owed him. Since he's dead, his family would get it instead. Or at least, that was Phil's interpretation of it.
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;52133365]I heard Phillip DeFranco talk about this particular bit the other day. What it [i]could[/i] mean is that since the NFL was holding back a couple of million dollars since Hernandez voided his contract, that may be easily challenged now because of that law. Since the law basically strips his conviction, the NFL would have to pay Hernandez the money they owed him. Since he's dead, his family would get it instead. Or at least, that was Phil's interpretation of it.[/QUOTE] according to snopes that's false. [quote=Boston Globe]Even without a conviction on the books, Hernandez almost certainly was in breach of his contract. When Hernandez was arrested for Lloyd’s murder in June 2013, the Patriots released him and refused to pay the remaining guaranteed money — a $3.25 million deferred signing bonus payment, and base salaries of $1.323 million and $1.137 million. They also declined to pay a $82,000 workout bonus that he had earned in June 2013. Hernandez lost his grievance, and his contract would likely prevent him from collecting any of the money now, despite the lack of a conviction on his record. Even though Hernandez was found not guilty of the 2012 double murder, the Patriots can reasonably argue that Hernandez didn’t represent his reckless behavior during that time, and that when he signed the contract he was headed down the path of incarceration and unavailability. [/quote] His contract was voided 90 minutes after he was arrested, not because of the conviction. [quote=Snopes]Speculation holds that if Hernandez’s conviction were vacated it would posthumously restore his standing with the NFL, thereby entitling his next of kin to the wealth he would have accumulated if he had never been convicted. But that speculation presumes that since the legal doctrine triggered by Hernandez’s suicide could vacate his conviction, the NFL would somehow be bound by that outcome to pay out the contract’s promises to his family. However, the NFL is a business entity and not a court of law, and Hernandez’s contract was voided 90 minutes after his arrest based on “conduct unbecoming,” not on his conviction. Abatement ab initio may possibly clear Hernandez’s name in a technical sense, but legal experts say only that a “creative lawyer” could initiate litigation based on that concept, not that the outcome of such litigation is automatic or certain. The legal concept of abatement ab initio is controversial when invoked in high-profile cases like this one because it often serves to protect the existing assets of an appellant’s estate, and no provision of the law mandates that the NFL must reinstate Hernandez’s contract terms on the basis of his death.[/quote]
Alright, that's good to know. Thanks for the info!
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