[url]https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/amds-ryzen-cpu-with-vega-graphics-threatens-to-blow-kaby-lake-out-the-water/[/url]
[QUOTE]AMD announced today its first two processors to combine its new Zen CPU architecture with its Vega graphics. The new chips, aimed at lightweight mobile systems, go head to head with Intel's U-series processors, and for the first time in many years, AMD is going to have competitive chips in the thin-and-light laptop market.
AMD's Ryzen and Threadripper processors re-established AMD's chips as competitive with Intel's. While the AMD parts gave up a bit of performance to their Intel rivals, especially in single-threaded tasks—a result of the combination of slightly lower clock speeds and slightly inferior instructions-per-cycle (IPC)—they shine in multithreaded tasks, with AMD often offering many more cores and threads than Intel for the same or less money.
In the mainstream desktop space, Intel's Coffee Lake chips have reasserted that company's dominance; Skylake-X does the same in the high-end desktop space, too, albeit at a high price.
But things are looking like they're going to be different in the mobile space. That's because the two new chips, the Ryzen 7 2700U and Ryzen 5 2500U, show signs of being faster in both processor and graphics tasks than Intel's latest comparable chips.[/QUOTE]
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[I]holy shit these things are amazing[/I]
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-> Keep in mind that VEGA is the [I]integrated[/I] GPU, part of the 15 watt package.
AMD Laptops are suddenly viable. Very viable.
These CPU's mixed with a MX150 should be golden
Although perf with the integrated Vega GPU should still be good
Having decent integrated GPU performance is nice but the Geforce 950M is absolute shit tier so saying its equal to it isn't saying much.
It's not much in the world of [I]dedicated[/I] graphics, but its leagues ahead in the realm of [I]integrated[/I] graphics.
[QUOTE=Scot;52824667]Having decent integrated GPU performance is nice but the Geforce 950M is absolute shit tier so saying its equal to it isn't saying much.[/QUOTE]
It is when you consider their application and how much of a thermal restraint they have. Also considering the 950m needed 50w by itself, this is a whole CPU GPU package for 15
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[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52824616]These CPU's mixed with a MX150 should be golden
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What? That defeats the whole point
[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52824616]These CPU's mixed with a MX150 should be golden
Although perf with the integrated Vega GPU should still be good[/QUOTE]
Why would a manufacturer pair the MX150 with an APU where the GPU portion is pretty much equal to the MX150?
[QUOTE=nikomo;52824750]Why would a manufacturer pair the MX150 with an APU where the GPU portion is pretty much equal to the MX150?[/QUOTE]
better overall temps by spreading it out?
I wouldn't really call it "launched" considering reviewers won't have devices to review for a fairly long while. But I mean, this is the first official announcement of these models, I guess.
Still pretty cool - within this power envelope, AMD can actually compete on frequency as well, meaning lightly threaded workloads will be skewed less in Intel's favour, though obviously their IPC advantage remains.
[QUOTE=nikomo;52824750]Why would a manufacturer pair the MX150 with an APU where the GPU portion is pretty much equal to the MX150?[/QUOTE]
Don't integrated GPU's use the main system RAM as VRAM? I guess that's a reason
[QUOTE=Fox Powers;52824958]Don't integrated GPU's use the main system RAM as VRAM? I guess that's a reason[/QUOTE]
Intel processors get away with it, why wouldn’t an APU?
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52825662]Intel processors get away with it, why wouldn’t an APU?[/QUOTE]
Well they were talking about why you would have a dedicated GPU, that is one reason why. It does affect both intel and AMD chips of course.
It won't really be worth it though except for dedicated gaming/productivity laptops.
I wonder if there's a large enough market to have an integrated gpu inside of threadripper, a gpu comparable to a 560?
I mean I would want it, I could use the extra pcie x16 for an extra gpu for mult-gpu rendering or opencl, then stuff for capture card. pcie ssd, raid cards, 10gb ethernet cards, and or special interface cards to make it a workstation powerhouse.
[QUOTE=Ithon;52825845]I wonder if there's a large enough market to have an integrated gpu inside of threadripper, a gpu comparable to a 560?
I mean I would want it, I could use the extra pcie x16 for an extra gpu for mult-gpu rendering or opencl, then stuff for capture card. pcie ssd, raid cards, 10gb ethernet cards, and or special interface cards to make it a workstation powerhouse.[/QUOTE]
Very unlikely, not even Intel extreme CPUs have iGPUs.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;52825906]Very unlikely, not even Intel extreme CPUs have iGPUs.[/QUOTE]
But you wouldn't have people buying them up for cyptro mining making the item too scare for consumers.
[QUOTE=Ithon;52825845]I wonder if there's a large enough market to have an integrated gpu inside of threadripper, a gpu comparable to a 560?
I mean I would want it, I could use the extra pcie x16 for an extra gpu for mult-gpu rendering or opencl, then stuff for capture card. pcie ssd, raid cards, 10gb ethernet cards, and or special interface cards to make it a workstation powerhouse.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the integrated GPU utilizes the PCI-e lanes from the CPU for connectivity.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52825945]I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the integrated GPU utilizes the PCI-e lanes from the CPU for connectivity.[/QUOTE]
Standalone Vega actually has ∞ Fabric integration, so it could be over that.
[QUOTE=Scot;52824667]Having decent integrated GPU performance is nice but the Geforce 950M is absolute shit tier so saying its equal to it isn't saying much.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty irrelevant when you're considering that this is an APU, not a CPU plus dedicated GPU. These have the same 15W TDP as the intel CPUs despite having little Vegas inside of them. That's what makes these impressive.
In other words, yeah they're not amazing, but they're a lot fucking better than Intel HD at the same TDP.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52825945]I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the integrated GPU utilizes the PCI-e lanes from the CPU for connectivity.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-apu-ryzen-mobile-vega,news-57143.html"]This article[/URL] seems to suggest that CPU + GPU are connected with Infinity Fabric.
[quote]As with any product destined for mobile applications, power consumption is key. AMD's Infinity Fabric ties the Zen and Vega cores together and provides the communication backbone[/quote]
Which is kind of awesome. Single coherent busfabric. Does Intel HD use internally bridged PCIe? It seems like a waste of area + power but I can see the engineering benefits.
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Quite recently bought a ThinkPad with i5-7200U and GT 940MX. Kind of wish I'd been able to wait another year now! This seems pretty awesome in comparison, I hope companies will pick it up (and not just in shit-tier laptops).
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There are rumors going around that Apple's planning to dump Intel in favor of AMD for their future MacBook and MacBook Pro laptops
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;52826611]There are rumors going around that Apple's planning to dump Intel in favor of AMD for their future MacBook and MacBook Pro laptops[/QUOTE]
That'd be a gigantic feather in AMD's cap. I hope Ryzen impresses Apple enough for it to happen. They deserve it.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;52826611]There are rumors going around that Apple's planning to dump Intel in favor of AMD for their future MacBook and MacBook Pro laptops[/QUOTE]
If they’re going anywhere, they’re going to move to their own A-series of CPUs primarily used in iPhones. Believe it or not, A11 Bionic is faster that a 15W Core i5.
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52826670]If they’re going anywhere, they’re going to move to their own A-series of CPUs primarily used in iPhones. Believe it or not, A11 Bionic is faster that a 15W Core i5.[/QUOTE]
I guess the more smaller, portable MacBooks could have the A11 while the higher end ones use Ryzen Mobile
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consider also that A11 is ARM, pretty sure every MacBook around is x86-64
[QUOTE=r0b0tsquid;52826474][URL="http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-apu-ryzen-mobile-vega,news-57143.html"]This article[/URL] seems to suggest that CPU + GPU are connected with Infinity Fabric.
Which is kind of awesome. Single coherent busfabric. Does Intel HD use internally bridged PCIe? It seems like a waste of area + power but I can see the engineering benefits.
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Quite recently bought a ThinkPad with i5-7200U and GT 940MX. Kind of wish I'd been able to wait another year now! This seems pretty awesome in comparison, I hope companies will pick it up (and not just in shit-tier laptops).
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In that case, with added GPGPU capabilities so tightly integrated into a high core-count, very energy efficient CPU (and at a relatively lower cost), I wonder how good this sort of manufacturing could work out in vision systems. It'd be interesting to see AMD throw a competitor to nVidia's Jetson into the ring.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52828627]In that case, with added GPGPU capabilities so tightly integrated into a high core-count, very energy efficient CPU (and at a relatively lower cost), I wonder how good this sort of manufacturing could work out in vision systems. It'd be interesting to see AMD throw a competitor to nVidia's Jetson into the ring.[/QUOTE]
They're getting around to it. AMD is super busy right now, between getting GPUOpen stuff out the gate, driver fixes for Vega, AMDGPU kernel patches, and their APU drivers, it must be crazy inside there these days.
[QUOTE=garychencool;52824828]better overall temps by spreading it out?[/QUOTE]
15W is completely trivial to cool.
Hope AMD keeps it up, maybe my future laptop will be AMD based :smile:
I've been thinking about a laptop for quite some time. Sounds like I'll save up an AMD one
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