Iranian woman's punishment for affair

[OFLC]

[QUOTE]A Tehran court has sentenced an Iranian woman to washing corpses at a mortuary for two years as punishment for cheating on her husband.

The news agency ISNA reported on Saturday the 35-year-old also was sentenced to 74 lashes for the "demonic affair", the court ruled.

Her lover was sentenced to 99 lashes and sent into exile in a remote region.

Until just a few years ago the punishment for women who had extramarital affairs was death by stoning. Being sentenced to wash corpses is highly unusual.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/iranian-womans-punishment-for-affair/news-story/7df0bad3fe2c47ac7bd27ec102edcb7c"]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/iranian-womans-punishment-for-affair/news-story/7df0bad3fe2c47ac7bd27ec102edcb7c[/URL]

[Gorgus]

Damn, I hope that Iran may some day become secular, for the sake of the people of Iran.

[EmperorScorpious]

[QUOTE=Gorgus;52225832]Damn, I hope that Iran may some day become secular, for the sake of the people of Iran.[/QUOTE]

It's a good possibility it may happen, and within our lifetime. Majority of the population of Iran, IIRC, were born after the Iranian revolution and have no special attachment to the beliefs it tried to install.

I doubt Iran will become liberalized any time soon, we can still expect them to remain strongly conservative, but secular versus being a theocracy I think can end one day.

[soulharvester]

How progressive

[EmperorScorpious]

[QUOTE=soulharvester;52225932]How progressive[/QUOTE]

When did Iran claim to be progressive :v:

[redBadger]

very clickbaity title tbh

[snookypookums]

That's....surprisingly mild, considering the usual is death by stoning. :unimpressed:

I wonder if this is because she had some sort of clout and pulled some strings.

[ignhelper]

I was expecting worse

[Araknid]

That's a really strange punishment

[Phygon]

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52225977]I was expecting worse[/QUOTE]

I was about to go "you have no idea how terrible lashing is" based on what it was historically but then I found this video
[video]https://youtu.be/ZvSgR5dZR3o[/video]

[OmniConsUme]

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[aznz888]

[QUOTE=phygon;52226063]I was about to go "you have no idea how terrible lashing is" based on what it was historically but then I found this video[/QUOTE]

Yeah I don't know what modern lashing is like, but I doubt it's as big of a spectacle as this, unless in the most severe of punishments

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/EqwaCR9.jpg[/IMG]

[Rantis]

[QUOTE=phygon;52226063]I was about to go "you have no idea how terrible lashing is" based on what it was historically but then I found this video
[video]https://youtu.be/ZvSgR5dZR3o[/video][/QUOTE]

How barbaric. He could have broken the skin. But if most "modern" lashings in Iran are like this I don't see a problem with it.

[Zombini]

[QUOTE=shad0w440;52226140]How barbaric. He could have broken the skin.[/QUOTE]

It's all about the shame. People who've been publicly flogged in those cultures are looked down upon. Getting a job will suddenly become extremely hard, and you'll be avoided by everyone. Nobody wants to hang around or hire a criminal. Their culture takes shame very seriously.

[EmperorScorpious]

[QUOTE=shad0w440;52226140]How barbaric. He could have broken the skin. But if most "modern" lashings in Iran are like this I don't see a problem with it.[/QUOTE]

You don't have a problem with physically injuring someone as a civil punishment?

[taishu]

[QUOTE=shad0w440;52226140]How barbaric. He could have broken the skin. But if most "modern" lashings in Iran are like this I don't see a problem with it.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1lGJ3AWvK9k/Tecb79nbjGI/AAAAAAAAAUg/cNDuUQ5V_ek/s1600/flogging%2Bman.jpg[/IMG]
This is what you look like afterwards. While it may look like gentle tapping, the canes are usually quite sharp.

[Govna]

The washing corpses thing is... interesting.

[EmperorScorpious]

[QUOTE=Govna;52226354]The washing corpses thing is... interesting.[/QUOTE]

Given that bodies have to be buried very soon after death in Islam, at least they'll be kinda "fresh"...

[zakededodead]

[QUOTE=phygon;52226063]I was about to go "you have no idea how terrible lashing is" based on what it was historically but then I found this video
[video=youtube;cfnn90Ozk0U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfnn90Ozk0U[/video][/QUOTE]

He probably was treated lightly for some reason

[Ganerumo]

[QUOTE=Gorgus;52225832]Damn, I hope that Iran may some day become secular, for the sake of the people of Iran.[/QUOTE]

It's fairly cynical of me to say but traditionalism tends to hold foot with or without religion. Not to say that a transition to secularism wouldn't help them, it certainly would, but a culture whose perception of just punishment is lashes and throwing stones at adulterers may just stay that way with or without religion.

[Jame's]

The lover was exiled, wtf.

[AK'z]

I am genuinely baffled beyond belief.

The woman sent to perform last offices for two years. That is an amazing punishment. Obviously not because she had an affair but as a punishment that is beautiful. You learn a great deal from it.

The guy sentenced to lashes and exile is standard Iranian law so nothing surprising...

[Spazi]

[QUOTE=Taishu;52226295][IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1lGJ3AWvK9k/Tecb79nbjGI/AAAAAAAAAUg/cNDuUQ5V_ek/s1600/flogging%2Bman.jpg[/IMG]
This is what you look like afterwards. While it may look like gentle tapping, the canes are usually quite sharp.[/QUOTE]

There's no way those marks could've been left by same sort of caning as on the video earlier. Those are marks left by force, not sharpness.

Also I've heard that lashes tend to be spaced out over several days as to not danger the life of the punished. In the video he doesn't even appear to be in pain.

[millan]

Okay I am surprised that her lover is actually getting ever more lashings than her.

Also the corpse washing is... I mean, I guess [I]somebody[/I] gotta do it, at least it's productive.

All of this is obviously unjustified and she shouldn't at all suffer any kind of public punishment, though.

[Govna]

[QUOTE=zombini;52226147]It's all about the shame. People who've been publicly flogged in those cultures are looked down upon. Getting a job will suddenly become extremely hard, and you'll be avoided by everyone. Nobody wants to hang around or hire a criminal. Their culture takes shame very seriously.[/QUOTE]

This.

There's the shame of the punishment itself, and there's also the added shame of why it was administered. Iranians tend not to be fans of men and women who sleep around. It's considered low-class by a lot of us, and then there's of course the obvious religious aspect of things that is against it. Cheating on your husband or wife doesn't make you much better than an animal that acts off of its baser instincts, and it demonstrates to everybody that you can't be trusted, you can't follow through with your commitments, and you're not worth associating with; nobody with any common sense or self-respect will want to be with you. Being a good partner is important, for both sexes.

[ScumBunny]

[QUOTE=Govna;52227594]This.

There's the shame of the punishment itself, and there's also the added shame of why it was administered. Iranians tend not to be fans of men and women who sleep around. It's considered low-class by a lot of us, and then there's of course the obvious religious aspect of things that is against it. Cheating on your husband or wife doesn't make you much better than an animal that acts off of its baser instincts, and it demonstrates to everybody that you can't be trusted, you can't follow through with your commitments, and you're not worth associating with; nobody with any common sense or self-respect will want to be with you. Being a good partner is important, for both sexes.[/QUOTE]

Well, not just shame.
[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27547956"]http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27547956[/URL]

[QUOTE]Adultery, kissing in public, theft, homosexual acts, drinking or selling alcohol, and blasphemy are all grounds for flogging in Iran. Offenders are usually sentenced to between 10 and 100 lashes across the back, carried out with a one-metre (three-foot) whip. [B]The pain is so severe that they often faint after seven or eight strokes[/B], says Anicee Van Engeland, a specialist in Iranian law at London University's School of Oriental and African Studies.[/QUOTE]

Supposedly [URL="http://www.violenceisnotourculture.org/content/iran-flogging-lashing"]this[/URL] is the relevant penal code for lashing in Iran.

You'll note it defines that the worst beatings are reserved for adultery (and the lightest are for pimping which is apparently not as bad as alcohol consumption).

[QUOTE]Article 30 – Implementation of flogging punishment in terms of vigorousness and weakness of lashes is as the following:

[B]Flogging punishment for adultery (zena***) and sexual contact without penetration (tafkheez***) is more vigorous[/B] than that for alcohol consumption (shorbe khamr)*** and punishment for alcohol consumption is more vigorous than that of false accusation (qazf***) and pimping (qavvadi***).[/QUOTE]

[taishu]

[QUOTE=Talishmar;52227507]There's no way those marks could've been left by same sort of caning as on the video earlier. Those are marks left by force, not sharpness.

Also I've heard that lashes tend to be spaced out over several days as to not danger the life of the punished. In the video he doesn't even appear to be in pain.[/QUOTE]

You can clearly see that the skin has been ripped open by a sharp cane, if it were more blunt trauma, you wouldn't have lacerations like that.
Also you can clearly see the man in the video react to pain, as he repeatedly tries to step forward, to try and avoid the lashing.

While it may look rather innocent, the canes are really, really sharp, and rapid small lashes like that, will tear your skin and hurt like hell, guaranteed.
Ali Rizvi explained this to Joe Rogan in his podcast here, when talking about Raif Badawi, the blogger that was sentenced to public flogging (skip to around 2:54):
[video=youtube;Z955o0uuP1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z955o0uuP1M[/video]

[Invadernouga]

[QUOTE=Taishu;52232080]You can clearly see that the skin has been ripped open by a sharp cane, if it were more blunt trauma, you wouldn't have lacerations like that.
Also you can clearly see the man in the video react to pain, as he repeatedly tries to step forward, to try and avoid the lashing.

While it may look rather innocent, the canes are really, really sharp, and rapid small lashes like that, will tear your skin and hurt like hell, guaranteed.
Ali Rizvi explained this to Joe Rogan in his podcast here, when talking about Raif Badawi, the blogger that was sentenced to public flogging (skip to around 2:54):
[video=youtube;Z955o0uuP1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z955o0uuP1M[/video][/QUOTE]

Lacerations are usually the result of blunt force trauma on the body, the surface area of the object causes the skin to tear unevenly, if it were a sharper object there would be tears with more even borders.

[MattSif]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52226386]Given that bodies have to be buried very soon after death in Islam, at least they'll be kinda "fresh"...[/QUOTE]

It's also considered an honor to wash the corpses of the dead, it's meant to show respect to the deceased and their family.

[taishu]

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;52232209]Lacerations are usually the result of blunt force trauma on the body, the surface area of the object causes the skin to tear unevenly, if it were a sharper object there would be tears with more even borders.[/QUOTE]

While sharp, the cane is still wooden, and will thus not cut into the flesh at the first strike. However you hit the same place with repeated lashes like shown in the videos it will tear open the skin in a wider laceration, as clearly shown in the picture.