Justice League Could Lose A Buttload Of Money For Warner Bros - Sensationalist Headlines

[T]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/224998077885448192/382733218232926210/1510868864516.jpg[/T] [QUOTE]Over at [URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/11/20/warner-bros-faces-a-possible-50m-to-100m-loss-on-justice-league/#7ae928345d8b"]Forbes[/URL], Rob Cain, a film finance consultant and producer, and also a former studio exec, uses his knowledge of the industry to break down how much of Justice League’s revenue will actually end up at Warner Bros. Cain takes into account not only worldwide box office, but also home entertainment, TV revenue, and overhead fees, though it excludes merchandising. All in all, Cain expects Justice League to net $575 million of the $635 million theatrical gross, $170 million in home entertainment, $100 million in TV, and $30 million in fees, once everyone else in the chain takes their cut. That’s still a lot of money. But is it more than Warner Bros spent on the movie? Cain guesses that it isn’t. He tallies up $300 million for the budget, $150 million in marketing, $60 million for home entertainment expenses, $20 million dollars for residuals, $20 million for interest, and $50 million for talent participation, for a grand total of $600 million. Even worse, Cain notes that the costs for the film were mostly paid up front, but aside from box office revenue, which will return to Warner Bros within a year, home entertainment and TV revenue could take years to come back to the studio. Additionally, Cain estimates $40 million in overhead costs, bringing the total loss up to $65 million.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/11/25/justice-league-lose-buttload-money-warner-bros/[/url]

Maybe if they took the time to revise how they're approaching the entire DC movie license after Wonder Woman succeeded where everything else shat the bed, maybe, [i]juuuuust maybe[/i], they wouldn't be suffering from tens of millions from people being disinterested at best and disgusted at worst.

The movie industry needs to crash hard and it'll never happen we are in desperate need of a reset There are more bad films coming out than there are good.

[QUOTE=RikohZX;52921869]Maybe if they took the time to revise how they're approaching the entire DC movie license after Wonder Woman succeeded where everything else shat the bed, maybe, [i]juuuuust maybe[/i], they wouldn't be suffering from tens of millions from people being disinterested at best and disgusted at worst.[/QUOTE] The damage was done long before Wonder Woman. They allowed the Snyders to have direct control over the entire universe and were already an entire phase of Marvel behind, as Man of Steel aired in the same year as Iron Man 3 and Thor 2.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52921882]The movie industry needs to crash hard and it'll never happen we are in desperate need of a reset There are more bad films coming out than there are good.[/QUOTE] The big-shot entertainment industry as a whole has gotten predicatively stale and greedy.

You mean a film with a hyper-inflated budget like 300 million dollars that's been getting meh critic reviews at best is not only not making money, it's actually [I]losing[/I] money? Wow, I'm so totally shocked!

Why [B]did[/B] they put so much faith in Zack Snyder in the first place? I've always wondered this. Maybe he's good at presenting ideas behind the scenes, and convincing people? Last time I said this, someone brought up how awkward he is at interviews, so I don't know. Did they base everything off 300 and Watchmen? That'd make sense. They're both dark, violent comic book stories (with a shitton of visual filters). Maybe, in some executives' minds, 300 was proof he could make a blockbuster out of that format, and Watchmen was the worst case scenario, which, with a $185 million box office out of a $130 million budget, is not that bad.

The only good thing about the DC live action films is that they build hype and interest for the actually good(most of the time) animated films.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52921952]Why [B]did[/B] they put so much faith in Zack Snyder in the first place? I've always wondered this. Maybe he's good at presenting ideas behind the scenes, and convincing people? Last time I said this, someone brought up how awkward he is at interviews, so I don't know. Did they base everything off 300 and Watchmen? That'd make sense. They're both dark, violent comic book stories (with a shitton of visual filters). Maybe, in some executives' minds, 300 was proof he could make a blockbuster out of that format, and Watchmen was the worst case scenario, which, with a $185 million box office out of a $130 million budget, is not that bad.[/QUOTE] Nepotism. His wife is one of the DCEU producers.

They should have cut Zack Snyder loose after Man of Steel underperformed. Instead, they concluded that Superman couldn't carry a solo movie anymore, and the solution was to just let Snyder shove Batman, Wonder Woman, and Doomsday into the sequel. "Throw in everything!" is basically never a good business strategy, but WB was so convinced it would work this time that they gave Snyder the keys to Justice League as well. The rest is history.

That's what they get for trying to rush out movies to compete with Marvel. I don't think I've seen a Marvel movie or show that I didn't like, conversely I haven't seen a DC movie or show that I haven't disliked (aside from the dark knight trilogy), even though I love both Marvel and DC.

[QUOTE=iownuall;52922145]That's what they get for trying to rush out movies to compete with Marvel. I don't think I've seen a Marvel movie or show that I didn't like, conversely I haven't seen a DC movie or show that I haven't disliked (aside from the dark knight trilogy), even though I love both Marvel and DC.[/QUOTE] Shut up, you Marvel fanboy cuck! /s They have no idea what they're doing with the DC Universe. Dark. Darker. General audiences don't like dark - make our own version of Guardians of the Galaxy. Took it too far - be dark and playful at the same time. What is it Marvel fans like in their movie trailers? Old school music? Yeah, just do that. Everything's great now.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52921956]Nepotism. His wife is one of the DCEU producers.[/QUOTE] Not when he started.

I think Hollywood in general should stop using such ridiculous budgets in the first place. Put less.money in to projects means less risk of losing big, while also being able to make bigger creative risks, which can make for better movies. They're playing a super high stakes game they don't even have to be. Some of the best movies I've seen recently were made for way less than Hollywood's usual fair, like Get Out, a movie that was made for 4 million and ends up being probably the best horror film in at least a decade.

[QUOTE=Omesh;52922165]Not when he started.[/QUOTE] [quote] Deborah Snyder is an American producer of feature films and television commercials. She is married to filmmaker Zack Snyder, and has worked as his frequent producing partner on films such as Watchmen and 300. She is the co-founder of the production company Cruel and Unusual Films.[/quote] They were married since 2004 and she's a producer on Man of Steel alongside Christopher Nolan. The movie started work in 2008 and Snyder wasn't hired on until 2010.

[QUOTE=Damjen;52921862][T]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/224998077885448192/382733218232926210/1510868864516.jpg[/T][/QUOTE] Is that a Justice League Nerd Coffin™ promotion I see? [IMG]https://78.media.tumblr.com/32be9e02b5318ec7c753e7bbbb4be660/tumblr_ooinvoAuT91r78xioo3_1280.png[/IMG]

Let it die. Wonder Woman was good but they've fucked everything else up so hard that I don't see how they can recover.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52921917]You mean a film with a hyper-inflated budget like 300 million dollars that's been getting meh critic reviews at best is not only not making money, it's actually [I]losing[/I] money? Wow, I'm so totally shocked![/QUOTE] how long until they have the idea that they need to spend even more money tbh films should cost no more than 80 billion

Reminds me when I made some OC of that scene from Futurama where Hermes Conrad has a flashback of some kid breaking his back trying to be "Just like Hermes" and had Disney with Avengers as Hermes and WB as the kid with BvS Might need to dust it off and update it for this, this makes much more sense

[QUOTE=c:;52922153]be dark and playful at the same time[/QUOTE] I mean, worked for Deadpool. I see nothing wrong with "dark and playful" for general audiences, though I'm not a huge fan of the contrast myself. The fucked up parts of Deadpool were easily the worst imo and took away from the film for me, but that didn't stop everyone from [I]raving[/I] about it.

[QUOTE=c:;52922153]Shut up, you Marvel fanboy cuck! /s They have no idea what they're doing with the DC Universe. Dark. Darker. General audiences don't like dark - make our own version of Guardians of the Galaxy. Took it too far - be dark and playful at the same time. What is it Marvel fans like in their movie trailers? Old school music? Yeah, just do that. Everything's great now.[/QUOTE] audiences like movies that respect their material. the dark knight worked not because it was dark, but because it respected batman. spiderman homecoming worked not because it was playful, but because it respected spiderman.

[QUOTE=gk99;52922576]I mean, worked for Deadpool. I see nothing wrong with "dark and playful" for general audiences, though I'm not a huge fan of the contrast myself. The fucked up parts of Deadpool were easily the worst imo and took away from the film for me, but that didn't stop everyone from [I]raving[/I] about it.[/QUOTE] All the fucked up parts added so much depth to the character, to the point of even justifying some of the more cringeworthy "lol Xd randumb" parts.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52921952]Why [B]did[/B] they put so much faith in Zack Snyder in the first place? I've always wondered this. Maybe he's good at presenting ideas behind the scenes, and convincing people? Last time I said this, someone brought up how awkward he is at interviews, so I don't know. Did they base everything off 300 and Watchmen? That'd make sense. They're both dark, violent comic book stories (with a shitton of visual filters). Maybe, in some executives' minds, 300 was proof he could make a blockbuster out of that format, and Watchmen was the worst case scenario, which, with a $185 million box office out of a $130 million budget, is not that bad.[/QUOTE] It probably had more to do with the only successful DC films at the time were Nolan’s Batman films and when they tried to copy the Marvel format with Green Lantern, they failed hard. So WB went all in on a director with a distinct visual style, a hard on for dark and gritty films and a proven comic book movie track record. At the time, it probably seemed like a smart move: Marvel does the lighthearted fare, DC is gritty and grounded. The problem is, WB couldn’t wait to blow its load and try to suck away the Marvel audience by aping their successful style despite their whole strategy being against that. I don’t think Snyder is totally to blame. The problem is WB doesn’t understand why Marvel’s movies are successful. Instead of trying to do their own thing with DC, they’re trying to have the best of both worlds while also relying on a director whose style clashes with far too much with the established characters. Snyder was the wrong man for the job, yes, but WB is equally if not more to blame for not planning the series out and realizing what they’re doing will not work.

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[QUOTE=Swiket;52922843][t]https://i.imgur.com/A746hPQ.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] I can't even watch a good movie twice though how do people do it

[QUOTE=Scot;52922250]Let it die. Wonder Woman was good but they've fucked everything else up so hard that I don't see how they can recover.[/QUOTE] Let Wonder Woman 2 happen before that. Wonder Woman was a shock and we'd be rightly pissed if the one good DC movie DIDN'T get a sequel.

I Haven't like any of the recent marvel films apart from maybe one or two I love DC for the dark gritty style they go for but it's hard to tell what the fuck is going on.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52922889]I can't even watch a good movie twice though how do people do it[/QUOTE] yea personally I'll only watch a movie like once every few years, if its real good. I can't go back to the theaters to rewatch a movie I just saw, even if its good.

But what was it that wonderwoman did so well over the rest?

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52923004]But what was it that wonderwoman did so well over the rest?[/QUOTE] it had a beginning, middle, and an end. It also wasn't split into two productions and multiple reshoots due to Zack Snyder's incompetency, so that probably did a lot to make it feel like a movie with a vision