UK facing most severe terror threat ever, warns MI5 chief - Sensationalist Headlines

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T1ZBj6THu0[/media] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/17/uk-most-severe-terror-threat-ever-mi5-islamist[/url] [quote]Britain is facing its most severe ever terrorist threat and fresh attacks in the country are inevitable, according to the head of Britain’s normally secretive domestic intelligence service in a rare public speech. Andrew Parker, the director general of MI5, said the UK had seen “a dramatic upshift in the threat” from Islamist terrorism this year, reflecting attacks that have taken place in Westminster, Manchester and London Bridge. The spy chief said: “That threat is multi-dimensional, evolving rapidly and operating at a scale and pace we’ve not seen before.” He added: “It’s at the highest tempo I have seen in my 34-year career. Today there is more terrorist activity, coming at us more quickly, and it can be harder to detect.”[/quote] Four successful terror attacks this year and, apparently, MI5 have been foiling one plot a month since March

Ever? I think the Troubles were a bit more severe than the recent ISIS attacks. Not looking to downplay the recent attacks, but "Unprecedented" sounds like he's stretching it a bit. Then again he is the head of British internal intelligence so what do I know.

Doesn't this come up every few months? Constant fear etc etc

it will not get better until the world starts to cut heads of those who control, lead, plan and finance those terrorists the problem is that many of those heads are at all sides

3,000 terrorist suspects? Jeez.

[QUOTE=Hiccuper;52789098]Ever? I think the Troubles were a bit more severe than the recent ISIS attacks. Not looking to downplay the recent attacks, but "Unprecedented" sounds like he's stretching it a bit. Then again he is the head of British internal intelligence so what do I know.[/QUOTE] To be fair, we probably don't know everything that could have happened that they're actively stopping.

[QUOTE=spazthemax;52789321]To be fair, we probably don't know everything that could have happened that they're actively stopping.[/QUOTE] most likely. they claim to have foiled 20 attacks in the last 4 years, 5 each year. i've only seen a [I]few[/I] reported online.

This is why i'd never live in shitholes like london and other big cities. Still, i hope they are just over exxagarting and nothing will happen. Surely though that if they know that something is going to happen they would stop it before it does? I dont quite understand

The truth is, Europe is in a security situation with no precedents. One thing was the 2003-circa 2012 period where Al Qaeda was a defined group with cells interacting with each other and coordinating logistics, training and operations. THe OPSEC danger was too high because one guy had to do a lot of trips in order to obtain weapons and the knowledge to use them. See the planning behind 9/11 for example. Now, since the Syrian Civil War started and the massive exodus was triggered, it was only a matter of time before Europe had a surge in attacks. Double checking stuff when there is a state is easy. You pay someone who is on customs or the government agency that keeps tracks of records and see if the guy who is entering is the one who he says to be. Now when there's nothing but burned files, how do you know who is lying? Plus, you can't just put the magnifying glass on everyone who is entering the continent. And among those thousands, there are people who have been on the battlefield for a lot of time and carry with them the knowledge to carry out attacks. So this prompts another danger: Cells that can be trained on the countries and an abundance of human resources. Think about it for one second, if the guys keep a facade on the social networks and use their own vocabulary to avoid being picked up on phone and messages, it's almost impossible to find them. Doubling someone must also be extremely hard.

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52789130]Doesn't this come up every few months? Constant fear etc etc[/QUOTE] I mean we have had four successfully terrorist attacks this year, you can't claim it's much ado about nothing

[QUOTE=Hiccuper;52789098]Ever? I think the Troubles were a bit more severe than the recent ISIS attacks. Not looking to downplay the recent attacks, but "Unprecedented" sounds like he's stretching it a bit. Then again he is the head of British internal intelligence so what do I know.[/QUOTE] Barely [IMG]http://i68.tinypic.com/nv4c9d.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ferrus;52790263]Barely [IMG]http://i68.tinypic.com/nv4c9d.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Do note that's only counting what they call "terrorist attacks", for Ireland I'm sure there were plenty other murders committed by both sides.

The UK is reaping what they sowed when they allowed the former imam of the Finsbury Park mosque to support and train Al Qaeda terrorists. The UK's standing by and allowing Islamic terrorists to roam freely in London is so well known that the term Londonistan was coined by the French intelligence services and it's been confirmed by terrorists like Omar Bakri Muhammad that the British intelligence services were leaving Islamic terrorists alone as long as these terrorists would not choose British targets. Is there any surprise that the UK is now having a major problem with Islamic terrorism when they've tolerated Islamic terrorism for ~20 years?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52790607]The UK is reaping what they sowed when they allowed the former imam of the Finsbury Park mosque to support and train Al Qaeda terrorists. The UK's standing by and allowing Islamic terrorists to roam freely in London is so well known that the term Londonistan was coined by the French intelligence services and it's been confirmed by terrorists like Omar Bakri Muhammad that the British intelligence services were leaving Islamic terrorists alone as long as these terrorists would not choose British targets. Is there any surprise that the UK is now having a major problem with Islamic terrorism when they've tolerated Islamic terrorism for ~20 years?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ferrus;52790263]Barely [IMG]http://i68.tinypic.com/nv4c9d.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeSuisIkea;52790774][/QUOTE] Those are terror attacks that have succeeded in the UK, the MI5 director clearly says that the surge in Islamic terror attacks is fairly recent. It still doesn't invalidate what I posted above, esp when you can directly trace back the 9/11 attacks to London.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52790607]The UK is reaping what they sowed when they allowed the former imam of the Finsbury Park mosque to support and train Al Qaeda terrorists. The UK's standing by and allowing Islamic terrorists to roam freely in London is so well known that the term Londonistan was coined by the French intelligence services and it's been confirmed by terrorists like Omar Bakri Muhammad that the British intelligence services were leaving Islamic terrorists alone as long as these terrorists would not choose British targets. Is there any surprise that the UK is now having a major problem with Islamic terrorism when they've tolerated Islamic terrorism for ~20 years?[/QUOTE] Islamic terrorism was virtually non-existent in the UK till Lockerbie. The British Govt (and Irish Govt for that matter) had bigger fish to fry with the Troubles when Catholic and Protestant terrorist went head to head. You can't sweep people up for saying something outrageous, unfortunately it's a waiting game for intelligence services. They have to wait until they're given intel that an attack is being planned or is about to happen. But that's almost impossible with the secrecy and underground organisation these guys do. Ofc MI5 and 6 (likely) have undercover spies in this field who are constantly relaying information to HQ but even they can be confused by what is going on. Nobody is tolerating any type of extremism, you'll never see any Government say "terrorist are welcome", it's a waiting game. In a perfect world to a lot of right wingers, they'd love to see all Muslims gathered up and exiled as some sort of patch to heal the problem but guess what, there are still arseholes in Northern Island killing each other STILL about whether the country should be a republic, though just more covertly and not in the open like the 70-80's [editline]18th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Svinnik;52790802]Those are terror attacks that have succeeded in the UK, the MI5 director clearly says that the surge in Islamic terror attacks is fairly recent. It still doesn't invalidate what I posted above, esp when you can directly trace back the [B]9/11 attacks to London.[/B][/QUOTE] Did you mean?: 7 July London Bombings or did you think the World Trade Centre existed in London

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52790828] [B]You can't sweep people up for saying something outrageous[/B], unfortunately it's a waiting game for intelligence services. They have to wait until they're given intel that an attack is being planned or is about to happen. But that's almost impossible with the secrecy and underground organisation these guys do.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-41186060[/URL] [URL="http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/21/uk-man-sentenced-to-20-months-for-anti-muslim-posts-on-facebook/"] [/URL][URL]http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/21/uk-man-sentenced-to-20-months-for-anti-muslim-posts-on-facebook/[/URL] [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html"]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html [/URL][URL]https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d[/URL]

[QUOTE=ferrus;52791822][URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-41186060[/URL] [URL="http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/21/uk-man-sentenced-to-20-months-for-anti-muslim-posts-on-facebook/"] [/URL][URL]http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/21/uk-man-sentenced-to-20-months-for-anti-muslim-posts-on-facebook/[/URL] [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html"]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html [/URL][URL]https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d[/URL][/QUOTE] It's easier to identify criminal intentions in english speakers than غير المتحدثين باللغة الإنجليزية.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52790828]Islamic terrorism was virtually non-existent in the UK till Lockerbie. The British Govt (and Irish Govt for that matter) had bigger fish to fry with the Troubles when Catholic and Protestant terrorist went head to head. You can't sweep people up for saying something outrageous, unfortunately it's a waiting game for intelligence services. They have to wait until they're given intel that an attack is being planned or is about to happen. But that's almost impossible with the secrecy and underground organisation these guys do. Ofc MI5 and 6 (likely) have undercover spies in this field who are constantly relaying information to HQ but even they can be confused by what is going on. Nobody is tolerating any type of extremism, you'll never see any Government say "terrorist are welcome", it's a waiting game. In a perfect world to a lot of right wingers, they'd love to see all Muslims gathered up and exiled as some sort of patch to heal the problem but guess what, there are still arseholes in Northern Island killing each other STILL about whether the country should be a republic, though just more covertly and not in the open like the 70-80's [editline]18th October 2017[/editline] Did you mean?: 7 July London Bombings or did you think the World Trade Centre existed in London[/QUOTE] Maybe do a little research? [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/world/europe/for-a-decade-london-thrived-as-a-busy-crossroads-of-terror.html"]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/world/europe/for-a-decade-london-thrived-as-a-busy-crossroads-of-terror.html[/URL] [QUOTE]If London became a magnet for fiery preachers, it also became a destination for men willing to carry out their threats. For a decade, the city has been a crossroads for would-be terrorists who used it as a home base, where they could raise money, recruit members and draw inspiration from the militant messages. Among them were terrorists involved in attacks in Madrid, Casablanca, Saudi Arabia, Israel and in the Sept. 11 plot. Zacarias Moussaoui, the only man charged in the United States in the 9/11 attacks, and Richard C. Reid, the convicted shoe-bomber, both prayed at the Finsbury Park mosque in north London. The mosque's former leader, Abu Hamza al-Masri openly preached violence for years before the authorities arrested him in April 2004. Continue reading the main story Although Britain has passed a series of antiterrorist and immigration laws and made nearly 800 arrests since Sept. 11, 2001, critics have charged that its deep tradition of civil liberties and protection of political activists have made the country a haven for terrorists. The British government has drawn particular criticism from other countries over its refusal to extradite terrorism suspects. For years, there was a widely held belief that Britain's tolerance helped stave off any Islamic attacks at home. But the anger of London's militant clerics turned on Britain after it offered unwavering support for the American-led invasion of Iraq. On Thursday morning, an attack long foreseen by worried counterterrorism officials became a reality.[/QUOTE] There are multiple terrorists residing in the UK that are protected from extradition despite there being tons of evidence that they are terrorists. Terrorists have confirmed that the UK's government has agreed to leave them alone as long as they didn't attack British targets. I'm not saying arrest every muslim, I'm saying that the UK has a history of tolerating Islamic terrorism and it's coming back to bite them on the ass.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52792297]Maybe do a little research? [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/world/europe/for-a-decade-london-thrived-as-a-busy-crossroads-of-terror.html"]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/world/europe/for-a-decade-london-thrived-as-a-busy-crossroads-of-terror.html[/URL] There are multiple terrorists residing in the UK that are protected from extradition despite there being tons of evidence that they are terrorists. Terrorists have confirmed that the UK's government has agreed to leave them alone as long as they didn't attack British targets. I'm not saying arrest every muslim, I'm saying that the UK has a history of tolerating Islamic terrorism and it's coming back to bite them on the ass.[/QUOTE] That article is more than a decade old, it came just after our first major Islamist terrorist attack and predates major antiterrorism legislation like the Terrorism Act 2006 and the public launch of the CONTEST and Prevent programmes. The hate preacher you spoke of, Abu Hamza, was jailed for seven years and then extradited to the US where he's been jailed for life at ADX Florence. We signed a special treaty with Jordan allowing us to extradite Abu Qatada. We finally managed to jail Anjem Choudary last year. We even passed a (highly controversial) law putting a legal duty on doctors, teachers, uni professors etc. to report anyone who seems a bit terroristy. There was a serious debate in 2006 about allowing terror suspects to be detained without charge for three months. I don't know how you can claim the UK has 'tolerated' Islamist terrorism