Swedish brothers convicted of more than 1,000 rapes of children - Sensationalist Headlines

[quote]Two brothers in northern Sweden have been jailed for sexually abusing five children aged between three and 14 on more than 1,000 occasions over a period of eight years. The brothers, both Swedish nationals in their mid-30s, targeted children who were bullied in school or had a difficult life at home, sometimes with offers of drugs, alcohol and money, Ångermanland District Court heard. The oldest brother was found guilty of at least 580 cases of aggravated child rape and at least 500 cases of aggravated sexual exploitation of a minor, according to the almost 200-page verdict seen by The Local. The younger brother was found guilty of at least 500 child rapes and at least 50 cases of aggravated sexual exploitation of a minor, with his victims including four children. Sweden classifies 'child rape' as sexual intercourse or acts considered to be the equivalent thereof with a person younger than 15, whether or not violence was used. The definition became codified in Swedish law on April 1st 2005. The court therefore classified crimes committed before that as sexual exploitation of minors. Unlike many other countries, Swedish authorities record each case of sexual violence as a separate incident, even if it involves the same victim. According to the verdict the crimes were carried out between the years 2001 and 2009 in Trelleborg, southern Sweden, and Sollefteå in northern Sweden where the brothers are currently resident. When the men were arrested in March this year, police found more than 250 hours of video footage and more than 5,000 indecent images of children in their home. Some of the material was of some of the rape victims. The brothers often played video games and roleplay games together with the children, alternating the games with sexual acts. The abuse became "normalized", the court wrote in the verdict. If a child was hesitant, the older brother in some cases is said to have offered them cannabis, alcohol and money. One of the victims said he saw the older man as a role model and "hero". He did not want to lose him as a friend and "felt bad" to say no to sex. Another, who was bullied in school and had problems at home, said he thought of his time with the brothers as "a safe haven". The older brother was on Friday sentenced to 14 years in jail, the toughest punishment in Sweden for that type of crime. It sentenced the younger brother to 12 years, partly because he was convicted of fewer offences and partly because he was under the age of 21 when some of them were committed. ...[/quote] [url]https://www.thelocal.se/20171215/swedish-brothers-convicted-of-more-than-1000-rapes-of-children[/url]

From the headline I got the impression they had raped more than a 1000 children. I'm relieved the reality wasn't quite so bleak. [Quote]Another, who was bullied in school and had problems at home, said he thought of his time with the brothers as "a safe haven".[/Quote] I'm particularly concerned for this kid. This kind of thing is bad enough on it's own, but to be in a position where you consider it a safe haven has got to fuck you up hard.

Jesus Christ the title made me think that they had raped over 1,000 different children

How horrible. I hope the children get all the help they need. Sadly the jailtimes in this country is a bit of a joke (at least when compared to other countries) so I genuienly hope these two assholes gets sentenced for life.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52984963]The older brother was on Friday sentenced to 14 years in jail, the toughest punishment in Sweden for that type of crime. It sentenced the younger brother to 12 years, partly because he was convicted of fewer offences and partly because he was under the age of 21 when some of them were committed.[/QUOTE] seems a little.. lenient?

[QUOTE=sweetbro;52985188]seems a little.. lenient?[/QUOTE] sweden is [I]very[/I] lenient on rapists for some reason. EDIT: actually in this case, 12 years is not lenient at all.

[quote]The brothers, both Swedish nationals in their mid-30s, targeted children who were bullied in school or had a difficult life at home[/quote] [quote]One of the victims said he saw the older man as a role model and "hero". He did not want to lose him as a friend and "felt bad" to say no to sex. Another, who was bullied in school and had problems at home, said he thought of his time with the brothers as "a safe haven".[/quote] These guys are straight up predators. They knew what they were doing

[quote]The older brother was on Friday sentenced to 14 years in jail, the toughest punishment in Sweden for that type of crime. It sentenced the younger brother to 12 years, partly because he was convicted of fewer offences and partly because he was under the age of 21 when some of them were committed.[/quote] Fucking [I]pathetic[/I]

I've reached a point where if I see a thread in Sensationalist Headlines about Sweden I [I]know[/I] Tudd posted it. [editline]edit[/editline] [QUOTE=sweetbro;52985188]seems a little.. lenient?[/QUOTE] It's a bit of a weird contradiction in our juridical system where we want a broader definition of sexual assault and rape to be more open for victims to for instance not overthink if what happened to them was or wasn't a crime - but in the same breath we're too lenient on actually punishing the attacker.

[QUOTE=sweetbro;52985188]seems a little.. lenient?[/QUOTE] If it's like in other countries it's just the max length that can be renewed/extended if needed.

[QUOTE=viramax;52985218]sweden is [I]very[/I] lenient on rapists for some reason. EDIT: actually in this case, 12 years is not lenient at all.[/QUOTE] Only in the sense that Sweden (and Scandinavia in general) is lenient on everyone. 12 years is pretty typical for murder at least in Denmark.

[QUOTE=sweetbro;52985188]seems a little.. lenient?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=viramax;52985218]sweden is [I]very[/I] lenient on rapists for some reason. EDIT: actually in this case, 12 years is not lenient at all.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52985229]Fucking [I]pathetic[/I][/QUOTE] They are absolutely going to be serving more time than those sentences.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52985280]Only in the sense that Sweden (and Scandinavia in general) is lenient on everyone. 12 years is pretty typical for murder at least in Denmark.[/QUOTE] Basically this, they'll almost definitely remain in prison longer than that. Also, I do wonder how Sweden compares to other countries when it comes to reoffenses. [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] Like 10+ years isn't insignificant - but then I'm Swedish.

I'm glad these scumbags got locked up. I just sincerely hope the justice system over there doesn't consider this case closed. Those children are going to have lifelong psychiatric conditions as a result of this, and I sincerely hope the court organizes some form of psychiatric help to let the kids grow up into functional adults.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;52985144]How horrible. I hope the children get all the help they need. Sadly the jailtimes in this country is a bit of a joke (at least when compared to other countries) so I genuienly hope these two assholes gets sentenced for life.[/QUOTE] Well, and I say this still acknowledging the horrible shit these two did, but I think the idea behind Swedish prison is to "rehabilitate". As an outsider of sorts, I see their line of thinking is to try and avoid the negative-reinforcement type of thinking. They want to somehow "redeem" terrible fucking people, and at least from the few short docs I've watched, they've had [I]some[/I] success at that. In short, all I can really say is that the typical style of imprisonment we have here in the US seems to perpetuate continuous shitty behavior (while the same time, there are exceptions; some people learn to grow and become better despite the harsh treatment). While prisons in Germany, Sweden, etc seem to have a lower repeat offender rate for the same type of crime.

Scandinavia is known for its light sentences, warped sense of rehabilitation is main driver.

[QUOTE=Boss;52985640]Scandinavia is known for its light sentences, warped sense of rehabilitation is main driver.[/QUOTE] Scandinavia also has incredibly low crime rates, in part thanks to this "warped sense of rehabilitation"

[QUOTE=Boss;52985640]Scandinavia is known for its light sentences, warped sense of rehabilitation is main driver.[/QUOTE] It's all relative. Do they have a warped sense of rehabilitation, or does the rest of the world just not have any sense of rehabilitation? Locking everyone up for the rest of their lives is one way to deal with criminals, but when 0.7% of your population is in prison, I don't think it's the right way. The US, for example, has the second highest amount of prisoners per capita in the world. Sweden has 13 times less prisoners per capita. Just think about that.

I don't think the case needs to be made that Scandinavian prisons are superior to the US system, it's just obvious.

[QUOTE=Boss;52985640]Scandinavia is known for its light sentences, warped sense of rehabilitation is main driver.[/QUOTE] Would you be willing to elaborate?

[QUOTE=Boss;52985640]Scandinavia is known for its light sentences, warped sense of rehabilitation is main driver.[/QUOTE] Yeah the most important thing isn't helping convicts and society by rehabilitating people, it's to lock up as many people as possible for as long as possible to satisfy that nice tummy feeling of revenge. I mean why even put thought into how society is run, when you can just force people into a perpetual spiral of crime.

[QUOTE=Boss;52985640]Scandinavia is known for its light sentences, warped sense of rehabilitation is main driver.[/QUOTE] And over here in the US we've got record-low recidivism rates to show for our approach!!!

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52985715]Yeah the most important thing isn't helping convicts and society by rehabilitating people, it's to lock up as many people as possible for as long as possible to satisfy that nice tummy feeling of revenge. I mean why even put thought into how society is run, when you can just force people into a perpetual spiral of crime.[/QUOTE] I think some people just like to ignore that everybody, even criminals, are born into this very society, raised and shaped by it. All of us have our own story of how that happened, and most of us aren't criminals, but even people who rape children didn't just come out of nowhere and start defying the very laws and morals of the world we live in.

[QUOTE=Boss;52985640]Scandinavia is known for its light sentences, warped sense of rehabilitation is main driver.[/QUOTE] I wish people like you would think about what works best, rather than what satisfies you the most, when it comes to crime prevention.

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;52985734]I wish people like you would think about what works best, rather than what satisfies you the most, when it comes to crime prevention.[/QUOTE] I think we should all take a step back and actually let him speak for himself. I asked him to elaborate, and I'd like to see what he says.

[QUOTE=Boss;52985640]Scandinavia is known for its light sentences, warped sense of rehabilitation is main driver.[/QUOTE] Yet the countries that focus on rehabilitation are usually the ones that have the lower crime rates. [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] Check out Australia or most of the West. We have no tolerance on crime. Rehabilitation? The people who believe in that are in the minority. Most people can't fathom giving these criminals a cell, let alone help.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52985744]I think we should all take a step back and actually let him speak for himself. I asked him to elaborate, and I'd like to see what he says.[/QUOTE] No, I've already grabbed my pitch fork. The effort of me stowing it away for later is too much, we may as well keep this lynching going at maximum levels.

[QUOTE=loopoo;52985797]No, I've already grabbed my pitch fork. The effort of me stowing it away for later is too much, we may as well keep this lynching going at maximum levels.[/QUOTE] speak for yourself, I always carry my pitchfork on me

[QUOTE=Talishmar;52985659]Scandinavia also has incredibly low crime rates, in part thanks to this "warped sense of rehabilitation"[/QUOTE] More importantly than the low crime rate is the [I]incredibly[/I] low rate of recidivism -- repeat offenders. That "warped sense of rehabilitation" is what has helped make the Scandinavian justice system among the best in the world. It takes in criminals, and churns out model citizens. For those who are incapable of rehabilitation, or whose crimes were so severe that ever releasing them would pose a significant threat to society, the short "maximum" prison sentences can be reviewed and reapplied. How anybody can view this system as anything other than an absolute success is a mystery to me. [editline]18th December 2017[/editline] Also, finding it more than a little amusing that Tudd, posting yet another article in defense of his propagandist perspective that Sweden is somehow the world capital of rapist safe havens, accidentally posted an article that fully and completely explains why Sweden's statistics of sexual assaults seem high (namely, that the definition of sexual assault is significantly wider, and that each [I]instance[/I] of sexual assault, even between the same offender and victim, is recorded as a separate event). When propaganda backfires.

Yes it's all about the prison sentencing and not the welfare model that's keeping people out of desperation crime... (This is in response to the low crimerates, i do believe in rehabilitation) There's a big chance that after these 12 years are up they will answer to new charges or they will be deemed unfit for society in another way that will keep them locked up. It's the same here in Denmark, we have a maximum sentence of about 15 years but we have plenty of inmates who will never know the outside again.