[vid]https://videos.puri.sm/promo/l5-campaign.mp4[/vid]
[QUOTE] Librem 5, the phone that focuses on security by design and privacy protection by default. Running Free/Libre and Open Source software and a GNU+Linux Operating System designed to create an open development utopia, rather than the walled gardens from all other phone providers.
A fully standards-based freedom-oriented system, based on Debian and many other upstream projects, has never been done before–we will be the first to seriously attempt this.
The Librem 5 phone will be the world's first ever IP-native mobile handset, using end-to-end encrypted decentralized communication.
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If anyone knows how to do a full free phone it's purism, they are one of the few people I would trust on this.
[url]https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/[/url]
Got a link to the website? May want to add that to the OP.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;52610592]Got a link to the website? May want to add that to the OP.[/QUOTE]
Oh shit hold on
Now Stallman can finally get a phone :v:
There really needs to be something like this but i wonder about this crowdfunding campaign with a 1 minute video and very little information...
You don't just Kickstart a new mobile phone operating system in 2017.
Millions upon millions of man hours went into the creation of Android and iOS, and still we find faults in their security.
Some of the best security researchers in the field work daily, year-round to harden Android and iOS security.
Hell even Android is almost entirely [del]GNU[/del] Linux based and open-source at the base level, and the Android Open Source project is highly available and can easily be compiled and installed on a modern device.
I get the buzzword idea of the "Tor-phone" but not just using a modified Android OS is already a blatant disregard for security by people who are just riding the security/privacy hype as of recent.
[QUOTE=Gbps;52610816]You don't just Kickstart a new mobile phone operating system in 2017.
Millions upon millions of man hours went into the creation of Android and iOS, and still we find faults in their security.
Some of the best security researchers in the field work daily, year-round to harden Android and iOS security.
Hell even Android is almost entirely GNU based and open-source at the base level, and the Android Open Source project is highly available and can easily be compiled and installed on a modern device.
I get the buzzword idea of the "Tor-phone" but not just using a modified Android OS is already a blatant disregard for security by people who are just riding the security/privacy hype as of recent.[/QUOTE]
Android is not using GNU.
This is not a new OS, this is an standard Linux distribution with phone apps, that's as secure as it gets.
I'm a bit skeptical. Using a different OS helps, but IIRC there are some privacy issues related to the cellular network hardware itself since it's all closed source and proprietary.
[QUOTE=Firefox42;52610996]I'm a bit skeptical. Using a different OS helps, but IIRC there are some privacy issues related to the cellular network hardware itself since it's all closed source and proprietary.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is not a definitive solution, the only proprietary part in the phone is the broadband chip, however it appears they have figured out how sandbox it and allow disabling it when you are not using it.
It's still much better than having it the traditional way.
[QUOTE=eirexe;52610862]Android is not using GNU.
This is not a new OS, this is an standard Linux distribution with phone apps, that's as secure as it gets.[/QUOTE]
You're right, my mistake. What I really meant was Linux based, not GNU.
But I still firmly believe that, since they're going to have to rewrite a stupidly large portion of the operating system (PureOS) to mobile handset hardware, it's essentially going to be a new OS.
There is so little overlap between desktop and mobile architecture at the OS level. All the hardware interaction... that stuff has been built over years and years for both at the Android and iOS. Gigantic companies collaborate together and push tons of money into development work on these-- even the failed mobile OSes are still backed by giant teams from giant companies.
If it's not based in Android, it was developed by a large company at some point in its lifecycle (even Sailfish OS which is Nokia MeeGo-based)
For example, Ubuntu Touch used Android as its base.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_operating_system[/URL]
In addition, this company has had some controversy with their open-source laptops and marketing:
[URL]http://www.pcworld.com/article/2960524/laptop-computers/why-linux-enthusiasts-are-arguing-over-purisms-sleek-idealistic-librem-laptops.html[/URL]
See: x86 BIOS problems from PCWorld article, magnified 100x in mobile
[QUOTE=Gbps;52611092]You're right, my mistake. What I really meant was Linux based, not GNU.
But I still firmly believe that, since they're going to have to rewrite a stupidly large portion of the operating system (PureOS) to mobile handset hardware, it's essentially going to be a new OS.
There is so little overlap between desktop and mobile architecture at the OS level. All the hardware interaction... that stuff has been built over years and years for both at the Android and iOS. Gigantic companies collaborate together and push tons of money into development work on these-- even the failed mobile OSes are still backed by giant teams from giant companies.
If it's not based in Android, it was developed by a large company at some point in its lifecycle (even Sailfish OS which is Nokia MeeGo-based)
For example, Ubuntu Touch used Android as its base.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_operating_system[/URL]
In addition, this company has had some controversy with their open-source laptops and marketing:
[URL]http://www.pcworld.com/article/2960524/laptop-computers/why-linux-enthusiasts-are-arguing-over-purisms-sleek-idealistic-librem-laptops.html[/URL]
See: x86 BIOS problems from PCWorld article, magnified 100x in mobile[/QUOTE]
This is simply not true anymore, their mobile OS is going to be the same with drivers to interface with the broadband chip, in fact it seems to use a gnome derivative, there's nothing stopping them from taking arm Linux with broadband drivers and using that.
The hardware interactions are a kernel thing (that's literally what a kernel is for) and all of those have been done already.
KDE are doing the same
Arguing with someone while at the same time rating all their posts dumb makes you look like a douchbag IMO
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I've kind of just given up on privacy/freedom in regards to my phone.
There's so many problems so I just avoid using it for anything sensitive.
Though it'll be pretty interesting to see how this goes. Their history at least checks out.
[QUOTE=WhyNott;52611310]Arguing with someone while at the same time rating all their posts dumb makes you look like a douchbag IMO[/QUOTE]
when that person is totally clueless its fine
can't wait to install gentoo
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52611412]I've kind of just given up on privacy/freedom in regards to my phone.
There's so many problems so I just avoid using it for anything sensitive.
Though it'll be pretty interesting to see how this goes. Their history at least checks out.[/QUOTE]
It's a good compromise for people that can't/won't give up phones, but prefer to have as much control as possible.
By the time this is out ill certainly be interested in hopping on, i had to settle on an lg g6 a few months back cause there are no true power user phones anymore
I don't understand the obsession with privacy really.
These guys just made a laptop iirc, and it turned out to be cheaply made and not worth the price tag.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ER1JKdg.jpg[/IMG]
From 0 to 100 real quick.
800 $ for a 24-inch monitor, a keyboard and a mouse?
Immediately install facebook on it
Too bad it's ugly and doesn't run a proper mobile OS so basically nobody will actually buy it.
[QUOTE=MrBacon;52612164]Too bad it's ugly and doesn't run a proper mobile OS so basically nobody will actually buy it.[/QUOTE]
It runs a proper mobile OS, linux desktop apps work on it and for the rest you can run web versions which work just as fine.
[QUOTE=MrBacon;52612164]Too bad it's ugly and doesn't run a proper mobile OS so basically nobody will actually buy it.[/QUOTE]
what on earth is a "proper mobile OS"?
I hope you at least know that Android is essentially just another Linux distribution
FreeBSD phone when?
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52611753]These guys just made a laptop iirc, and it turned out to be cheaply made and not worth the price tag.[/QUOTE]
Not according to the reviews I can find on google.
You might be mixing them up with somebody else, there's quite a few companies that make "libre" laptops, some of which are pretty bad.
Hopefully there will be sufficient third-party manufacturer support. It could very well suffocate in its own evironment like Windows Phone.
[QUOTE=Mastermind of42;52614054]Hopefully there will be sufficient third-party manufacturer support. It could very well suffocate in its own evironment like Windows Phone.[/QUOTE]
It's made in such a way that it's not necessary, most open source Linux apps can be ported easily, for the rest web versions can be used.
It would also be pretty trivial to run android apps on it if you really must
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52611412]I've kind of just given up on privacy/freedom in regards to my phone.
There's so many problems so I just avoid using it for anything sensitive.
Though it'll be pretty interesting to see how this goes. Their history at least checks out.[/QUOTE]
I kind of don't get the whole privacy thing.
Why even care if someone is cooked up in an office listening in to your conversations about how you like feet a little too much? It's not like they're gonna present it to the world and say "everyone point and laugh!"
How sensitive would be whatever you'd be talking about?
If it revolves around the "what if a spy agency is monitoring me and someone with malicious intents gets a hold of it?" narrative though, I can see how that would be a problem.
I'd also get it if it was more about the "slippery slope" kind of thing.
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