Charlie Gard has passed away - Sensationalist Headlines

[IMG]https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/nintchdbpict000306303695.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100[/IMG] [QUOTE] Charlie Gard, the baby whose fate was the subject of a protracted court battle and made headlines around the world, has died, his parents have said. Chris Gard and Connie Yates fought a five-month campaign to have him transferred from Great Ormond Street hospital in central London, where he was on life support for experimental treatment they hoped could give “a meaningful life” to Charlie, who was blind and deaf and could not breath without a ventilator. They abandoned their legal battle on Monday, saying it was too late to save him. On Thursday, he was transferred to an unspecified hospice and he died on Friday, a week before he would have turned one, after having his life support systems withdrawn. In a statement, Charlie’s mother, Connie Yates, said: “Our beautiful little boy has gone. We are so proud of you, Charlie." [/QUOTE] He passed away a few hours ago :cry: I can't imagine what his parents have been going through since they started fighting to save his life. [URL="https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/charlie-gard-dies"]https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/charlie-gard-dies[/URL]

My brother passed away about a month ago, he had pretty severe cerebral palsy. The last couple years his quality of life had gone way down. The last 4 months of his life he was in the hospital. It really fucked me up when he passed, but he's in a much better place now, he doesn't have to suffer anymore.

R.I.P [QUOTE=Del91;52517327]My brother passed away about a month ago, he had pretty severe cerebral palsy. The last couple years his quality of life had gone way down. The last 4 months of his life he was in the hospital. It really fucked me up when he passed, but he's in a much better place now, he doesn't have to suffer anymore.[/QUOTE] My condolences.

[QUOTE=Steam-Pixie;52517310][IMG]https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/nintchdbpict000306303695.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100[/IMG] He passed away a few hours ago :cry: I can't imagine what his parents have been going through since they started fighting to save his life. [URL="https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/charlie-gard-dies"]https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/charlie-gard-dies[/URL][/QUOTE] Save what life? He was braindead and had been for a while. If you believe in the soul, then he was already in heaven a long time before they turned off his life support.

[QUOTE=James xX;52517396]Save what life? He was braindead and had been for a while. If you believe in the soul, then he was already in heaven a long time before they turned off his life support.a[/QUOTE] If it was up to me I would choose for the child to slip away peacefully... However I still respect and understood the parents' wishes.

The media circus around this was ridiculous. Disgusting way to act from the media.

[QUOTE=James xX;52517396]Save what life? He was braindead and had been for a while. If you believe in the soul, then he was already in heaven a long time before they turned off his life support.a[/QUOTE] going off of your avatar and this post im assuming you saw Rick and Morty like a week ago and now you think you have to act like Rick Sanchez to be cool [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply" - Novangel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=James xX;52517396]Save what life? He was braindead and had been for a while. If you believe in the soul, then he was already in heaven a long time before they turned off his life support.a[/QUOTE] This is a pretty insensitive way of putting it tbh. I totally agree that this was probably the best outcome for the kid, even if they managed to save his life, what quality of life would he be left with? would it even be a life worth living at this point? But he was their son, surely you can imagine how hard it would be for them to process, let alone accept, the fact that he was effectively already gone. It's easy to say stuff like this from our detached position, but I'm pretty sure the parents were clinging on to any faint hope they could out of love for their child.

Clinging to a lost hope only drains hospital resources and bankrupts the parents. As heartless as it sounds, the time and money spent on this case should'be been spent on those who could have actually benefitted from them.

[QUOTE=halflambada;52517474]going off of your avatar and this post im assuming you saw Rick and Morty like a week ago and now you think you have to act like Rick Sanchez to be cool[/QUOTE] For the sake of balance I must delve into a point and use Alzheimer's as an example, I have seen two of my relatives die due to Alzheimer's but in reality they were "dead" long before their heart stopped. Over time their mind would dribble away until they became a scarcely sentient shell of a human, it might have been breathing, its heart might be beating but the people I once knew were dead by that point. That's what I find so sinister about brain death and brain diseases, it "kills" you without clinically killing you and the fragments of what's left live in disjointed torment as they struggle to make sense when the rest of the mind has been ripped out from under them. I'm not sure to what degree poor Charlie was "brain dead" but if there was no meaningful neurological activity then what was there to give a life to? I can only hope that when clinical death set in, there was no pain or suffering. I know it seems a bit nihilist and morbid but at the end of the day consciousness is all that matters, without it there is no means by which to measure who we are. [editline]29th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=fulgrim;52518002] But he was their son, surely you can imagine how hard it would be for them to process, let alone accept, the fact that he was effectively already gone. It's easy to say stuff like this from our detached position, but I'm pretty sure the parents were clinging on to any faint hope they could out of love for their child.[/QUOTE] Honestly I can't fathom how it feels for the parents, Charlie lost the genetic lottery big time. It was nobodies fault, its just in the millions of rolls of the dice in a human life a large number of his came up snake eyes. With nobody to blame its hard to find an outlet for the grief, I just hope they can reconcile their lives.

the child is not suffering any more. that's really all that matters.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52518002]This is a pretty insensitive way of putting it tbh. I totally agree that this was probably the best outcome for the kid, even if they managed to save his life, what quality of life would he be left with? would it even be a life worth living at this point? But he was their son, surely you can imagine how hard it would be for them to process, let alone accept, the fact that he was effectively already gone. It's easy to say stuff like this from our detached position, but I'm pretty sure the parents were clinging on to any faint hope they could out of love for their child.[/QUOTE] I am not sure how does it help them to hold belief the kid is any semblance alive when everything that made it a meaningful being is gone. They will eventually get over it, and while there's times to maintain hope, sometimes it's just the best to accept the truth or expose others to it if they are failing to see it.

[QUOTE=millan;52518742]I am not sure how does it help them to hold belief the kid is any semblance alive when everything that made it a meaningful being is gone. [/QUOTE] you might as well be asking why people think heaven is a comforting thought.

[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52519063]you might as well be asking why people think heaven is a comforting thought.[/QUOTE] This is the exact opposite case, though. Heaven is a promise of better tomorrows. Irreversibly damaged life support vegetable that can never gonna have a meaningful life isn't comforting to keep around in any way.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52518002]This is a pretty insensitive way of putting it tbh. I totally agree that this was probably the best outcome for the kid, even if they managed to save his life, what quality of life would he be left with? would it even be a life worth living at this point? But he was their son, surely you can imagine how hard it would be for them to process, let alone accept, the fact that he was effectively already gone. It's easy to say stuff like this from our detached position, but I'm pretty sure the parents were clinging on to any faint hope they could out of love for their child.[/QUOTE] It's insensitive but true. No matter how much you love a child, its quality of life can't consist of Love and drips and life-support systems. Especially when that's all it will ever be. That's no life at all.

[QUOTE=millan;52519665]This is the exact opposite case, though. Heaven is a promise of better tomorrows. Irreversibly damaged life support vegetable that can never gonna have a meaningful life isn't comforting to keep around in any way.[/QUOTE] Yeah maybe not to you. You asked how it could possibly comfort them holding onto hope that they're child is somehow still alive in some way shape or form, it's the exact same thing as holding onto the hope of a loved one still being "alive" in the afterlife even if they've been dead for years and the similarities are pretty obvious. It doesn't matter if it's stupid or doesn't make any sense to you, it's pretty obvious why they feel the way they do.

[QUOTE=AK'z;52518714]the child is not suffering any more. that's really all that matters.[/QUOTE] Should have happened months ago instead of dragging this out for months based on some snake oil salesman from America offering his bullshit to give them false hope. And to top it off they've dragged Great Ormond Street through the mud. The finest childrens hospital in the country is now hated by thousands of people.

[QUOTE=millan;52518742]I am not sure how does it help them to hold belief the kid is any semblance alive when everything that made it a meaningful being is gone. They will eventually get over it, and while there's times to maintain hope, sometimes it's just the best to accept the truth or expose others to it if they are failing to see it.[/QUOTE] Again, I completely agree. This entire thing should never have been dragged out for as long as it was, it was a waste of money, it was unfair on the parents, it was unfair on the kid, and it was unfair on the hospital whose reputation has been dragged through the mud for no reason. But at the end of the day, don't blame the parents, they were in a very vulnerable state of mind and were fed the idea that there was hope when there really wasn't. Parents facing something like this aren't going to be thinking rationally.

i fucking wish trump hadn't gotten involved in this though, I keep hearing supporters use this as an excuse to deride single payer healthcare. charlie had a terminal condition, no wonder drug is going to repair it, not at the stage he was diagnosed in. its sad, its tragic, but its a reminder that for all our medicine and knowledge, we still can't prevent every death, we still can't cure everything, and the best thing is to make the best of the time left. I don't think the american doctor should have lead those parents on, nor should the vatican or trump or anyone else have gotten involved. they gave false hope to parents that had to face a devastating tragedy.

The baby was essentially dead from the start. The people fighting to keep him alive just because he's alive are selfish IMO

I didn't know about this. Holy shit they sure are emotionally destroyed after something like this....

[QUOTE=halflambada;52517474]going off of your avatar and this post im assuming you saw Rick and Morty like a week ago and now you think you have to act like Rick Sanchez to be cool [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply" - Novangel))[/highlight][/QUOTE] He has a point, people mistake braindead for living, its not, a brain dead person is dead, they just make for better organ donors as the body can keep the organs fresh [editline]30th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Steam-Pixie;52517407]If it was up to me I would choose for the child to slip away peacefully... However I still respect and understood the parents' wishes.[/QUOTE] It sounds like that's what they wanted to do, and that the doctors were the ones who wanted to keep trying

[QUOTE=viperfan7;52523765] It sounds like that's what they wanted to do, and that the doctors were the ones who wanted to keep trying[/QUOTE] then you seem to be reading it wrong

This was such a tragic story, and I hope this doesn't seem insensitive, but I'm glad it's over. The kid had no chance, the parents were essentially toyed with, the hospital did the best job they could and then they got shit on by the absolute garbage tabloid media that still has FAR too much of a presence in this country. Stirring the pot and turning people against medical professionals dealing with a worst case scenario goes just way beyond unethical. I have no idea how those cunts sleep at night, their "journalism" should be illegal.

[URL="http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/08/02/unpicking-what-we-mean-by-best-interests-in-light-of-charlie-gard/"]http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/08/02/unpicking-what-we-mean-by-best-interests-in-light-of-charlie-gard/[/URL] A good Blog Post, Basically even If the experimental treatment worked Charle would just be "living", it was only in Charlies best Interest to not go through with it. What would have made this okay if the treatment could significatly improve his life with it.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52533202][URL="http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/08/02/unpicking-what-we-mean-by-best-interests-in-light-of-charlie-gard/"]http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/08/02/unpicking-what-we-mean-by-best-interests-in-light-of-charlie-gard/[/URL] A good Blog Post, Basically even If the experimental treatment worked Charle would just be "living", it was only in Charlies best Interest to not go through with it. What would have made this okay if the treatment could significatly improve his life with it.[/QUOTE] They said that there was only a 5% chance (or thereabouts) of the treatment working as well.