California becomes first state to ban sale of pets from puppy mills - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/california-puppy-mill-ban-latest-animal-welfare-farming-a8000291.html[/url] [quote]California has become the first US state to ban the sale of animals from puppy mills. A new law signed on Friday means that pet stores are required to work with animal shelters or rescue operations if they want to sell dogs, cats or rabbits. Despite 36 cities across the state, including Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego, already having bans on mass breeding this is a landmark move in the campaign against large-scale operations that breed dogs for profit. Puppy mills have been widely criticised for failing to prioritise animal welfare and for keeping animals in overcrowded conditions and over-breeding. Supporters of the measure said it ensures better treatment of animals. Matt Bershadker, president and CEO of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, told Business Insider: “This landmark law breaks the puppy mill supply chain that pushes puppies into California pet stores and has allowed unscrupulous breeders to profit from abusive practices.”[/quote]

If I wanted to get another dog after the loss of mine not so long ago, I'd definitely go to a shelter. I went one day and it tears your heart. These adorable little things need homes meanwhile these breeding farms mass produce """popular""" breeds with most dying because they can't sell them. Also rescued animals, with the right training, love and dedication can show a dramatic improvement and turnaround. It's all about time and patience

Puppy mills are one of those things I wish I never knew about. Ignorance truly is bliss

But we still don't punish people for mass breeding their retarded chihuahuas and pit bulls that fill up said shelters?

You know we make fun of animal rights activists for being insane but if I had to work in animal welfare I'd probably go insane too. It's downright depressing how awful so many people really are to animals.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52779393]You know we make fun of animal rights activists for being insane but if I had to work in animal welfare I'd probably go insane too. It's downright depressing how awful so many people really are to animals.[/QUOTE] When people make fun of animal right activist they're mostly making fun of PETA for being contradictory, saying all animals are precious but mass killing dogs and cats because they can't find homes. And before anyone says "well they can't be allocated", I find that rubbish. A lot of shelters keep ahold of pets for as long as they can, PETA just kills them as soon as they walk into their care

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52779403]When people make fun of animal right activist they're mostly making fun of PETA for being contradictory, saying all animals are precious but mass killing dogs and cats because they can't find homes. And before anyone says "well they can't be allocated", I find that rubbish. A lot of shelters keep ahold of pets for as long as they can, PETA just kills them as soon as they walk into their care[/QUOTE] PETA's really only the tip of the iceberg compared to literal terrorists like the ALF. Euthanizations are only a small part of the problem anyways. Just getting pets adopted out isn't enough since so many owners have no idea what they're doing or have no skin in the game, happily doing things such as just throwing their pets out when they're inconvenient, treating them like shit as they get older, having no idea how to raise them, etc.. Long-term something like pet licenses may be needed tbh.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52779377]If I wanted to get another dog after the loss of mine not so long ago, I'd definitely go to a shelter. I went one day and it tears your heart. These adorable little things need homes meanwhile these breeding farms mass produce """popular""" breeds with most dying because they can't sell them. Also rescued animals, with the right training, love and dedication can show a dramatic improvement and turnaround. It's all about time and patience[/QUOTE] Me and my family have taken a handful of dogs out of the streets and into our house, gave them complete vet care and love. Amazing dogs the lot of them, very caring little fellas. I wouldn't recommend you to take them as first-time dogs tho, it takes knowing the little guys and a little bit of reading to understand what they expect from you, and what you should expect from them, they bring a lot of baggage with them that needs to be tended to. [editline]14th October 2017[/editline] Wouldn't ever have done otherwise, tho. Best dogs I could have asked for.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52779413]PETA's really only the tip of the iceberg compared to literal terrorists like the ALF. Euthanizations are only a small part of the problem anyways. Just getting pets adopted out isn't enough since so many owners have no idea what they're doing or have no skin in the game, happily doing things such as just throwing their pets out when they're inconvenient, treating them like shit as they get older, having no idea how to raise them, etc.. Long-term something like pet licenses may be needed tbh.[/QUOTE] I feel like our next door neighbor is keeping dogs just for the sake of owning dogs, and they seem to leave them out in the backyard almost 24/7 judging by the fact that they're constantly moaning and whining due to the hot weather/loneliness. I've been thinking of talking to them about it for at least some clarification about what they've been doing with the dogs, but my dad warns me that the guy who lives with his mom there and owns the dogs is a drug abuser who also has kind of a hot temper, and he was worried about me getting hurt/killed if I somehow piss him off. Even if I were to notify some higher ups, I get the feeling that they wouldn't do much since he's not outright beating the dogs from the looks of it.

[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;52779454]Me and my family have taken a handful of dogs out of the streets and into our house, gave them complete vet care and love. Amazing dogs the lot of them, very caring little fellas. I wouldn't recommend you to take them as first-time dogs tho, it takes knowing the little guys and a little bit of reading to understand what they expect from you, and what you should expect from them, they bring a lot of baggage with them that needs to be tended to. [editline]14th October 2017[/editline] Wouldn't ever have done otherwise, tho. Best dogs I could have asked for.[/QUOTE] Yeah, they can be serious trouble too if you're not careful. We took in a rescue Amstaff a couple of years ago, she... didn't work out. Very sweet and energetic, but the level of abuse she'd been through turned her dangerous. She had some sort of PTSD attack, and my mom and our other Amstaff both ended up needing stitches.

My family has only ever taken rescues and from shelter Our last bitch was so badly abused that it would lash out at any male human it saw, but female? Completely fine just a bit shy. I've still got the scars from one attack where it lunged at me Now however, she's like a puppy again and it's such a wonderful sight to see her let people rub her tummy, even males, she will spend the rest of her days with us getting the love care she was denied. Its a massively rewarding experience to make rescue dogs happy again but it can be difficult, long and can even be a dangerous process. I still wouldn't trade it for the world though.

Puppy mills are an abomination. My uncle worked for a while helping to rescue dogs from these shitholes, and they were all damaged in various ways. He convinced my grandparents to adopt several of them, including a Chihuahua mix that had lost one of his hind legs, and two scrawny little pomeraniens. One of the poms was supposedly the pup of the other, and he was terrified by the slightest noises. 4th of July down here in Tennessee was a nightmare for the poor dog. And one day he just yelped and fell dead to the ground, shortly before my grandparents had to euthanize his mother.

So does this ban puppy mills or all private breeders from pet stores? The wording makes it seem like the latter.

My family has only ever taken in rescues or family bred dogs. One of our currents was a rescue who was taken from a puppy mill that got shut down by the police, she's naturally scared of any male teenager because they quite clearly beat her pretty damn hard, we've tried our best to comfort her and its helped but she still naturally reacts to anyone who fits into that demographic with a flight response. The more of these that can get shutdown and banned the better, I don't want to see another dog have to be brought up with her type of reactions, its not right.

Good riddance, now let's mirror this in the other 49 states. [QUOTE=fruxodaily;52779377] Also rescued animals, with the right training, love and dedication can show a dramatic improvement and turnaround. It's all about time and patience[/QUOTE] Sometimes the only 'training' they need is teaching them you're not out to harm them and they open right up. [editline]14th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;52779413]...happily doing things such as just throwing their pets out when they're inconvenient...[/QUOTE] And this is how I've acquired every cat I've ever owned, either directly or indirectly. For some reason people love dumping unwanted kitties near where I live...out in rural TN about 15 miles from a decent sized city...and invariably they end up wandering onto my porch. Bugs the hell out of me that peeps do this, too. Poor little christmas kittens get to live to their old age with me instead of the irresponsible shithead that dumped them out in the countryside when they started mewling for dick or pissing on the curtains to mark them.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52779393]You know we make fun of animal rights activists for being insane but if I had to work in animal welfare I'd probably go insane too. It's downright depressing how awful so many people really are to animals.[/QUOTE] Yeah, there are a lot of crazy ass animal-rights activists and organizations, but how often do you [I]really[/I] hear about them? How often do you hear about moderates? The truth is that animals are abused left and right and most people just don't care. Not because they're okay with it, it's just not very high up on their list of priorities. It's sad. [editline]15th October 2017[/editline] I've had three guinea pigs in total, and they were all bought second-hand, two of them had at some point previously been abused or neglected.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52779752]So does this ban puppy mills or all private breeders from pet stores? The wording makes it seem like the latter.[/QUOTE] what kind of shite private breeder sells in a pet store? a puppy mill. my parents are getting a dog from a private breeder right now. they reserved it before it was born. that's how things work with actual breeders

Hopefully they'll ban fur farms next if they have any.

this is kinda dumb. puppy mills aren't inherently a bad thing. ban unlicensed ones if you want to do something. licensed commercial breeding operations involving dogs are no worse than ones involving cows and nobody gets uppity about that. this is a reactionary feel-good law that's only come about because PETA thinks everyone who hangs around animals is hitler, and their propaganda about puppy mills has gotten more ground than others. I know a guy who runs a puppy mill putting out english bulldogs and all 18 of his dogs are treated just like you or me would treat our own pets.

[QUOTE=butre;52780726]this is kinda dumb. puppy mills aren't inherently a bad thing. ban unlicensed ones if you want to do something. licensed commercial breeding operations involving dogs are no worse than ones involving cows and nobody gets uppity about that. this is a reactionary feel-good law that's only come about because PETA thinks everyone who hangs around animals is hitler, and their propaganda about puppy mills has gotten more ground than others. I know a guy who runs a puppy mill putting out english bulldogs and all 18 of his dogs are treated just like you or me would treat our own pets.[/QUOTE] They aren't even banned tho. You can still sell directly to consumers. Also you might want to read the law to see what it actually defines puppy mills as. Your friend might be fine, and the mills stores officially do business with are probably licensed anyways.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52780736]They aren't even banned tho. You can still sell directly to consumers. Also you might want to read the law to see what it actually defines puppy mills as. Your friend might be fine, and the mills stores officially do business with are probably licensed anyways.[/QUOTE] well then maybe the article and headline are shit and should be changed because nothing about it suggests so he's fine because he's not in california, but if he were the law would require him to adjust his business strategy slightly

[QUOTE=butre;52780769]well then maybe the article and headline are shit and should be changed because nothing about it suggests so he's fine because he's not in california, but if he were the law would require him to adjust his business strategy slightly[/QUOTE] I mean just the OP clarifies the "pet store" thing twice. [url]https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB485[/url] Here's the full law, so breeders still can't sell in pet stores but my skim didn't indicate that they can't sell at all. This law is probably going to spread anyways with good reason.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52779413]PETA's really only the tip of the iceberg compared to literal terrorists like the ALF. Euthanizations are only a small part of the problem anyways. Just getting pets adopted out isn't enough since so many owners have no idea what they're doing or have no skin in the game, happily doing things such as just throwing their pets out when they're inconvenient, treating them like shit as they get older, having no idea how to raise them, etc.. Long-term something like pet licenses may be needed tbh.[/QUOTE] PETA funds ELF and ALF via a few backdoor methods (and actively recruits ex-members). They're wannabe terrorists at the very minimum.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52779413]PETA's really only the tip of the iceberg compared to literal terrorists like the ALF. Euthanizations are only a small part of the problem anyways. Just getting pets adopted out isn't enough since so many owners have no idea what they're doing or have no skin in the game, happily doing things such as just throwing their pets out when they're inconvenient, treating them like shit as they get older, having no idea how to raise them, etc.. Long-term something like pet licenses may be needed tbh.[/QUOTE] speaking of alf they're hilarious because all the photos of them have some dude in full on guerrilla insurgency garb but they're holding puppies and baby pigs and baby goats and shit

where am I supposed to get my toadline double-SMASHED and SLAMMED male microbullies now? [img]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0996/1308/files/miagi-american-bully-extreme_large.jpg?751148499235836481[/img]

[QUOTE=butre;52780726]this is kinda dumb. puppy mills aren't inherently a bad thing. ban unlicensed ones if you want to do something. licensed commercial breeding operations involving dogs are no worse than ones involving cows and nobody gets uppity about that. this is a reactionary feel-good law that's only come about because PETA thinks everyone who hangs around animals is hitler, and their propaganda about puppy mills has gotten more ground than others. I know a guy who runs a puppy mill putting out english bulldogs and all 18 of his dogs are treated just like you or me would treat our own pets.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but that's pretty hard to buy into. Puppy mills are one thing, but I wouldn't hold up backyard breeders - or people breeding large quantities of dogs - as ideal role models. How often does he perform full health checks on his breeding pairs? How much socialization, tempering, training, and interaction does he get with all of his puppies? How much does he make? (most ideal breeders make fuck-all) Puppy Mills are often rated okay by the USDA, but they are [I]not[/I] an ideal environment for a puppy to be raised in and many will leave (even the "nicer" mills) with behavioral issues and a lack of any real training (and yes, you can actually achieve a lot before they leave at 8wks). They are the product of a inhumane, industrial-sized demand for puppies and that's just not ideal. Getting an animal from a shelter allows shelter personnel to match you with a dog fit for your lifestyle and what you want, and these dogs are all thoroughly evaluated (and often treated for severe medical and behavioral issues) before being adopted out. I've got no huge quantity of love for local shelters either, since dogs are in such high demand here in WA that shelters are extremely demanding (i.e, want proof of income, 4 non-familial references, rights to visit at any time, rights to take dog back at anytime, etc) and they all turned me down. I ended up driving to Fresno, California to pick up my dog lol [editline]15th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=G-Strogg;52782331]where am I supposed to get my toadline double-SMASHED and SLAMMED male microbullies now? [img]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0996/1308/files/miagi-american-bully-extreme_large.jpg?751148499235836481[/img][/QUOTE] Designer breeds upset me, both because I'm irritated with the demand for them and saddened by the dogs who live with physical and mental ailments

[QUOTE=paindoc;52782355] I've got no huge quantity of love for local shelters either, since dogs are in such high demand here in WA that shelters are extremely demanding (i.e, want proof of income, 4 non-familial references, rights to visit at any time, rights to take dog back at anytime, etc) and they all turned me down. I ended up driving to Fresno, California to pick up my dog lol [/QUOTE] That is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Right to visit at any time? Right to take them back at any time?! I'da outright told them to get fucked in those exact words before doing as you did and visiting a shelter that isn't run by invasive shits.

"Puppy mills"? Yeah, not gonna search that... Hopefully this catches on quick. I've never heard of it before, but I hope I won't hear it again.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;52782331]where am I supposed to get my toadline double-SMASHED and SLAMMED male microbullies now? [img]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0996/1308/files/miagi-american-bully-extreme_large.jpg?751148499235836481[/img][/QUOTE] one super fucked up thing is that his penis would be rubbing up against grass and even the ground, that's animal cruelty.

[QUOTE=Reagy;52779762]My family has only ever taken in rescues or family bred dogs. One of our currents was a rescue who was taken from a puppy mill that got shut down by the police, she's naturally scared of any male teenager because they quite clearly beat her pretty damn hard, we've tried our best to comfort her and its helped but she still naturally reacts to anyone who fits into that demographic with a flight response. The more of these that can get shutdown and banned the better, I don't want to see another dog have to be brought up with her type of reactions, its not right.[/QUOTE] My family does the same, and all of our animals have been absolute treasures. Rescue dogs are so sweet, they're so happy to be out of worse conditions and to be brought into environments where they feel like they have a pack that cares about them. Also, not sure if it's related, but my dogs always live for a looooong ass time, way longer than my friends who have owned purebread or pet shop dogs.