Berkeley killing renews debate over gender pronouns - Sensationalist Headlines

[t]http://www.mcclatchy-wires.com/incoming/lidfnp/picture140885603/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/Berkeley_Homicide_Gender_Politics_51649.jpg[/t] [quote]BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) — Pablo Gomez Jr. was a University of California, Berkeley, senior majoring in Latino studies and a prominent campus activist when authorities say he stabbed to death a popular elementary-school teacher. Soon, the crime that police described as "very brutal and unusual" in a city that reported just two homicides last year was sucked up into the debate over gender identity when it was reported that Gomez preferred to be called "they" rather than "he." Even in famously liberal Berkeley, with its long history of protest, the uproar came as a surprise, overwhelming the online news site, [url]www.berkeleyside.com[/url], that first reported on Gomez's preference. "I didn't see it as something that would anger anyone," reporter Emilie Raguso said. Victim Emile Inman, a 27-year-old native of France, was found in her home in January with a "We Stand with Standing Rock" sign in the front window she shared with other young roommates a few miles from campus. Hours earlier on Jan. 6, police found Kiana Schmitt, 24, seriously injured outside an apartment just north of campus. Police have declined to say how Schmitt was connected to Gomez. Gomez was arrested Jan. 7 at a Burbank hospital near the Southern California home of Gomez's parents. Gomez is being held in jail and is accused of killing Inman and assaulting Schmitt. The judge in the case ordered a mental health evaluation after Gomez was removed from a Feb. 1 court hearing to enter a plea to charges of murder, attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and robbery. Deputies led a kicking and screaming Gomez from the courtroom after a brief meeting with Arroyo.[/quote] [url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/berkeley-killing-renews-debate-over-gender-pronouns-145308342.html[/url] [url]http://www.dailycal.org/2017/03/20/mental-competency-hearing-extended-uc-berkeley-student-facing-murder-charges/[/url] [url]http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article140872778.html[/url] It is kind of interesting considering he will be going infront of a mental health examination. So whether they factor this in or not is going to be an ordeal.

Remember back when Colleges and Universities were a place for the free exchange of thoughts and ideas

I really don't think this has anything to do with a debate over gender pronouns, if some crazy person stabs you because you say you don't like his pink polo shirt they wouldnt be saying "killing renews debate over acceptable polo shirt colors"

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;52019939]Remember back when Colleges and Universities were a place for the free exchange of thoughts and ideas[/QUOTE] They still are.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;52019939]Remember back when Colleges and Universities were a place for the free exchange of thoughts and ideas[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with anything.

[QUOTE=-;52019787]majoring in Latino studies[/QUOTE] Why

Berkeley is filled with so many crazy people (I mean literally), I find it sickening that only "reported just two homicides last year".

My Dad went to Berkely, said it was nice. And I'm sure it was, 30 years ago.

I expected debate over pronouns. I'm disappointed.

"Mental competency hearing extended for UC Berkeley student facing murder charges" is a much less bait-y title from the second source in the OP. Frankly I'm surprised Yahoo is allowed as a source considering the trashy titles they seem to come up with.

Gener pronoun demanding latino studies major murders elementary school teacher. I mean really, im not surprised hes getting a mental health examination. Sounds like a nutcase.

man I guess this means that the gender binary won the culture wars even though it has no fucking relation to the murder. you have to be stretch fuckin' armstrong to want to connect nonbinary pronouns to a desire to murder.

This person is a fucking whacko. But he's not a whacko because he's trans, he's a whacko because he killed an elementary school teacher. How hard is that to understand?

Its obvious that gender pronouns was added just to sensationalize the article. Possibly to push a narrative that people who prefer other gender pronouns are mentally unstable.

How is this not an editorialized title? Yes, it's the same as the Yahoo one, but it is in no way reflective of the article itself. Not to mention the Sacbee and Yahoo ones are the same exact article from AP

I'm not seeing anything in the sources saying the murder was over gender pro-nouns. Just that the person was involved with debating over gender pro-nouns because it's the hot issue at their university. I don't really see a problem with the title either if the killing renewed interest in gender pro-nouns.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52019787] It is kind of interesting considering [b]he[/b] will be going infront of a mental health examination. So whether they factor this in or not is going to be an ordeal.[/QUOTE] *They Just because someone committed a crime doesn't invalidate their gender identity.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;52019967]Why[/QUOTE] The fuck is wrong with studying the culture, history, language, and politics of an entire, massive region of the earth?

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52020201]Its obvious that gender pronouns was added just to sensationalize the article. Possibly to push a narrative that people who prefer other gender pronouns are mentally unstable.[/QUOTE] hmmm almost like there are people on facepunch and in the media that push propaganda with an extremely clear agenda and selectivley ignore facts to keep their narrative going

[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;52020252]The fuck is wrong with studying the culture, history, language, and politics of an entire, massive region of the earth?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't, because I want a well paying job. Nothing against the studies, just doesn't seem very marketable or practical. It's the same as when people mock art/history/gender studies etc. It's a nice side-study but I wouldn't rely on it to pay for my food.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52020276]I wouldn't, because I want a well paying job. Nothing against the studies, just doesn't seem very marketable or practical. It's the same as when people mock art/history/gender studies etc. It's a nice side-study but I wouldn't rely on it to pay for my food.[/QUOTE] People should study what interests them. Nothing I hate more than seeing people laughing at others because their subject of choice is supposedly not profitable.

[QUOTE=Bertie;52020310]People should study what interests them. Nothing I hate more than seeing people laughing at others because their subject of choice is supposedly not profitable.[/QUOTE] Besides, "it's not profitable" is quite an over-exaggeration. It's certainly on average not going to give as high of an income after graduation as other majors like petroleum engineering, but with the way degrees and the job market work often these people wind up doing just fine. Of course don't chase your desires blindly, but you don't have to turn down what actually interests you in favour of falling for the STEM or bust meme.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52020276]I wouldn't, because I want a well paying job. Nothing against the studies, just doesn't seem very marketable or practical. It's the same as when people mock art/history/gender studies etc. It's a nice side-study but I wouldn't rely on it to pay for my food.[/QUOTE] Actually you can rely on all of this to pay for food. College course elitism is one of the dumbest things that I ever see.

[QUOTE=Bertie;52020310]People should study what interests them. Nothing I hate more than seeing people laughing at others because their subject of choice is supposedly not profitable.[/QUOTE] Maybe that would be true if he wasn't paying for such an expensive university just to get a degree that won't help him at all whilst putting him in deep debt, assuming he's not already wealthy. One of the generally Conservative points I agree with is that people shouldn't spend tens of thousands to major in some social or art degree and then complain that they're deep in debt and struggling financially. Then they just end up without their own money and possibly costing the state money from welfare for the debt they voluntarily took on, knowing that it wouldn't pay off in any substantial fashion.

If you are going to college to study something you don't like to work for a job you won't like you will have a sad life.

okay, so nowhere in the article does it say that the killer has any transgender history. In fact, 'they' is only used when he's being taken into custody. Is there any proof that this is actually related to his gender, and not just a crazy breakdown of personalty that tragically ended with a loss of life?

[QUOTE=soulharvester;52019967]Why[/QUOTE] this is by far the worst part of the whole story

[QUOTE=Plattack;52020248]*They Just because someone committed a crime doesn't invalidate their gender identity.[/QUOTE] Why should we validate this person? [I]They[/I] murdered an innocent human being so why should [I]they[/I] get treated with respect when [I]they [/I]can't even respect human life? I'm all for different gender pronouns or whatever it is people feel like labeling themselves as, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna respect the wishes of a killer.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52020276]I wouldn't, because I want a well paying job. Nothing against the studies, just doesn't seem very marketable or practical. It's the same as when people mock art/history/gender studies etc. It's a nice side-study but I wouldn't rely on it to pay for my food.[/QUOTE] You know that colleges/ universities weren't meant to be "Job getters". They're places for higher learning. I hate when people treat college and university as job training [editline]27th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;52020500]Why should we validate this person? [I]They[/I] murdered an innocent human being so why should [I]they[/I] get treated with respect when [I]they [/I]can't even respect human life? I'm all for different gender pronouns or whatever it is people feel like labeling themselves as, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna respect the wishes of a killer.[/QUOTE] Because it has nothing to do with their crime?

[QUOTE=Plattack;52020248]*They Just because someone committed a crime doesn't invalidate their gender identity.[/QUOTE] They* wasn't even thinking about that so my mistake. Though [i]they[/i] killed a person with no respect and what I just said doesn't even sound intelligible cause now it sounds like I am referring to multiple people.