Rockstar revives GTA V modding: OpenIV, Menyoo, more are back online after T2 negotiations - Sensationalist Headlines

[url]https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/single-player-modding-returns-to-gta-v-after-publisher-takedown/[/url] [url]https://www.slashgear.com/gta-5-mod-openiv-returns-after-rockstar-softens-stance-24489483/[/url] [t]https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/openiv-800x303.jpg[/t] [quote]This image represents Take-Two saying "Well, I guess, there's nothing illegal here after all. Never mind that legal threat."[/quote] [url]https://www.gta5-mods.com/tools/openiv[/url] [quote]“Rockstar Games believes in reasonable fan creativity, and, in particular, wants creators to showcase their passion for our games,” a statement from the developer reads.[/quote] [quote]"After discussions with Take-Two, Take-Two has agreed that it generally will not take legal action against third-party projects involving Rockstar’s PC games that are single-player, non-commercial, and respect the intellectual property (IP) rights of third parties."[/quote] [quote]When popular Grand Theft Auto V modding tool OpenIV was taken down by a cease-and-desist request from publisher Take-Two earlier this month, the fan reaction was fast and blistering. Players bombarded Grand Theft Auto V with thousands of negative reviews on Steam, and over 77,000 people signed an online petition demanding the tool be restored. Apparently, those gamers' cries have been heard loud and clear. As of yesterday evening, OpenIV is once again being updated and distributed by its creators.[/quote] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57dVZ4oHtQ[/media]

I feel like Rockstar was stuck between a rock and a hard place, because R* really made a solid turn around after the original modding fiasco. Seems like T2 gave them the finger and there was nothing they could do. That being said, thank fucking god. I am absolutely not going to give Take-Two ANY credit for doing the right thing because they should have done this in the first place. Not praiseworthy. You can still get fucked, Take-Two. We all know that this is just corporate backpeddling.

I'm wondering why Rockstar don't just self-publish in the future, they've got to be rolling in cash after GTA V.

[QUOTE=Holt!;52397108]I'm wondering why Rockstar don't just self-publish in the future, they've got to be rolling in cash after GTA V.[/QUOTE] GTA V was the most expensive game to produce, ever. They could go self-publishing, but they'd never be able to make a worthy successor to GTA V.

So Menyoo is back? I don't see anything about that

T2 is really looking to dethrone EA and UBI as the worst publishers ever it seems, but good on Rockstar for sticking to their guns, I just wish they had more say over what happens to GTA.

now fix what you did to benzies and ill give a shit

A retrospective on some of the mods we got this week: [t]https://img.gta5-mods.com/q95/images/taxi-ads-save-openiv-boycottt2/b02477-3OG0ksL.jpg[/t] [t]https://img.gta5-mods.com/q85-w800/images/openiv-blimp/b24517-124134252346.png[/t] [img]http://i.imgur.com/gRufVOx.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/G0ftaJA.png[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/sPTfpHJ.png[/img] [t]http://i.imgur.com/ZwlSe0F.png[/t]

Good to see all the player outcry actually had an effect after all. Leading up to this there were a lot of apathetic and defeatist voices, and not completely without justification. Maybe this can lift some cynical spirits.

Seeing Paradox go back on their price hikes and seeing this happen needs to make people realize that standing up to this kinda shit does achieve something.

I'm going to change my negative review on Steam to positive. Only fair.

They've still been fucking over modding ever since GTA V's PC release, sending PI's to people's homes and taking down mods that have nothing to do with GTA:O, being rude and ungrateful to people who work their asses off to give others more reason to buy their product. They've literally patched their game to make modding more difficult. Not to mention they decided to make GTA V multiplayer the micro-transaction riddled shitshow that is GTA Online. [editline]24th June 2017[/editline] They're all still scumbags looking to rip you off

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397424]They've still been fucking over modding ever since GTA V's PC release, sending PI's to people's homes and taking down mods that have nothing to do with GTA:O, being rude and ungrateful to people who work their asses off to give others more reason to buy their product. They've literally patched their game to make modding more difficult. Not to mention they decided to make GTA V multiplayer the micro-transaction riddled shitshow that is GTA Online. [editline]24th June 2017[/editline] They're all still scumbags looking to rip you off[/QUOTE] They listened, regardless of their motive for doing so. Now we have to show them that we noticed. If the reviews all stay negative they'll be less inclined, from a business perspective, to cooperate in the future.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52397437]They listened, regardless of their motive for doing so. Now we have to show them that we noticed. If the reviews all stay negative they'll be less inclined, from a business perspective, to cooperate in the future.[/QUOTE] How do you know? They're not cooperating, they just made a statement that maybe we don't sue modders but we might. Cooperating would mean they're actually doing something good, which they're not. It's all very conventient how they've managed to make the big evil T2 take the blame instead of R*, who actually made the game. I don't buy it. What does some corporate asshat at T2 management even know about modding? As if it isn't all interconnected with R* and T2. R* is the one who made the game a big 'fuck you' to modders in the first place. Not to mention the DRM they put on their previous GTA game which actually doesn't let me play the game I paid for, but apparently they own, anymore.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397445]What does some corporate asshat at T2 management even know about modding?[/QUOTE] Nothing... thus this whole shitshow. All of the C&D's and private investigators were directly from Take2, the actual game developers weren't involved. In the end it was Rockstar who convinced their publisher to fuck off, and they didn't have to do that.

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52397493]Nothing... thus this whole shitshow. All of the C&D's and private investigators were directly from Take2, the actual game developers weren't involved. In the end it was Rockstar who convinced their publisher to fuck off, and they didn't have to do that.[/QUOTE] As if they didn't even notify Rockstar or ask if what they're doing is OK. Pretty nice job PR-wise to portray Rockstar as the Jesus of this story though. The people who actually develop the game.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397507]As if they didn't even notify Rockstar or ask if what they're doing is OK. Pretty nice job PR-wise to portray Rockstar as the Jesus of this story though. The people who actually develop the game.[/QUOTE] Why would they do that? They're the publisher, they're the ones in charge, they own Rockstar, they don't owe them anything, there's no reason for Rockstar to be in the loop in all the shit that Take 2 is doing.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52397437]They listened, regardless of their motive for doing so. Now we have to show them that we noticed. If the reviews all stay negative they'll be less inclined, from a business perspective, to cooperate in the future.[/QUOTE] we give an inch, they take a mile. I'm not giving them anymore inches until they start fixing all all the all the other problems that have plagued the game since day 1. the ridiculous economy that fucks over anyone with less than 10,000 hours in game, the horrible connection stability, the piss poor matchmaking, the removed features, etc.

[QUOTE=simkas;52397511]Why would they do that? They're the publisher, they're the ones in charge, they own Rockstar, they don't owe them anything, there's no reason for Rockstar to be in the loop in all the shit that Take 2 is doing.[/QUOTE] No reason? Seriously? I think it's pretty obvious from all of this that there's a lot of reason. You think they're on different planets with all lines of communication cut or something? We don't have any hard evidence of anything, so this really comes down to what you choose to believe. And I guess with the fanatic fanbase R* has I'm not surprised, all it seems to take is a [b]statement where they don't change their policy on anything in the slightest[/b] to completely shift the opinions of everyone.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397522]No reason? Seriously? I think it's pretty obvious from all of this that there's a lot of reason. You think they're two separate places with all phone lines cut or something? We don't have any hard evidence of anything, so this really comes down to what you choose to believe. And I guess with the fanatic fanbase R* has I'm not surprised, all it seems to take is a [b]statement where they don't change their policy on anything in the slightest[/b] to completely shift the opinions of everyone.[/QUOTE] But they did change their policy. First Take 2 came out going all "all mods are done now forever" and then Rockstar comes out and retracts that. You're coming up with some really stupid conspiracy theory bullshit if you really believe that Rockstar would purposefully damage their image just because they had a plan to undo that right away. This isn't exactly the first time Take 2 has done this outside of Rockstar.

I'd like to think that all of the bad decisions regarding the game is out of R*'s control but is because of Take-Two policies, or things they had to agree with them with.

[QUOTE=simkas;52397542]But they did change their policy. First Take 2 came out going all "all mods are done now forever" and then Rockstar comes out and retracts that. You're coming up with some really stupid conspiracy theory bullshit if you really believe that Rockstar would purposefully damage their image just because they had a plan to undo that right away. This isn't exactly the first time Take 2 has done this outside of Rockstar.[/QUOTE] Source? Take-two just continued doing what they've been doing ever since the game came out on PC. And the statement promises us that they won't stop either. It's all just PR bullshit, [url=http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/52429/asked-answered-the-rockstar-editor-gta-online-updatesR* ]the first statement in "support" of modding came out years ago[/url]

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397556]Source? Take-two just continued doing what they've been doing ever since the game came out on PC. And the statement promises us that they won't stop either. It's all just PR bullshit, the first R* statement "in support of modding" came out years ago.[/QUOTE] Except that they are kinda stopping, OpenIV is allowed to exist again.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397556]Source? Take-two just continued doing what they've been doing ever since the game came out on PC.[/QUOTE] They issued cease & desists to [i]singleplayer[/i] mods like OpenIV and Menyoo. Pretty much 75% of all GTA V mods were killed off without OpenIV, and there was a chance it wouldn't come back. No publisher has done that before.

[QUOTE=simkas;52397560]Except that they are kinda stopping, OpenIV is allowed to exist again.[/QUOTE] They just backpedaled on a single decision because it hurt their steam reviews and made a statement that really doesn't change or mean anything. [QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52397563]They issued cease & desists to [i]singleplayer[/i] mods like OpenIV and Menyoo. Pretty much 75% of all GTA V mods were killed off without OpenIV, and there was a chance it wouldn't come back. No publisher has done that before.[/QUOTE] Before this they took down the RDR map conversion mod, which is a singleplayer mod. And that's just one I've heard of.

I pretty much had a feeling that R* was basically being lumped into this decision without voicing their own opinion. I'm definitely happy that instead of just sitting on their asses they actually decided to negotiate with Take Two on this whole matter, though I'm sure the massive influx of negative reviews was enough of a push to get them to do it. If it wasn't for the negative reviews providing evidence for this outrage, we probably wouldn't have had this agreement. Good on all parties involved. May modding for GTA in general live on, and I hope Take Two has learned a lesson from this mess. [QUOTE=butre;52397516]we give an inch, they take a mile. I'm not giving them anymore inches until they start fixing all all the all the other problems that have plagued the game since day 1. the ridiculous economy that fucks over anyone with less than 10,000 hours in game, the horrible connection stability, the piss poor matchmaking, the removed features, etc.[/QUOTE] Just use FiveM already. Neither Take Two nor R* have any interest in fixing/changing a platform that makes them shit tons of money with little effort. This should've been obvious since GTA:O's early console days. Meanwhile, FiveM is fairly stable (from the servers I've been on), isn't a grindfest, uses dedicated servers, and even allows mods.

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397582]Before this they took down the RDR map conversion mod, which is a singleplayer mod.[/QUOTE] Which took a map from another Rockstar game and put into GTA, which falls perfectly in line with what they're defining as okay now.

[QUOTE=simkas;52397592]Which took a map from another Rockstar game and put into GTA, which falls perfectly in line with what they're defining as okay now.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]use or importation of other IP (including other Rockstar IP) in the project[/QUOTE] Not really

[QUOTE=Uberpro;52397582]They just backpedaled on a single decision because it hurt their steam reviews and made a statement that really doesn't change or mean anything. Before this they took down the RDR map conversion mod, which is a singleplayer mod.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the RDR mod was basically a violation of copyright/trademark. You're generally not allowed to uses assets from one game to another unless the developers/publishers specifically give permission to. This is why Bethesda was up in arms for the longest time against mods like Morroblivion (it straight ripped assets from Morrowind and ported them over), and generally allows projects like Skywind (where assets are all custom made). It's stupid as fuck, but it's understandable as well. Companies want to protect their IPs.

[QUOTE=Rahu X;52397610]To be fair, the RDR mod was basically a violation of copyright/trademark. You're generally not allowed to uses assets from one game to another unless the developers/publishers specifically give permission to. This is why Bethesda was up in arms for the longest time against mods like Morroblivion (it straight ripped assets from Morrowind and ported them over), and generally allows projects like Skywind (where assets are all custom made). It's stupid as fuck, but it's understandable as well. Companies want to protect their IPs.[/QUOTE] Well they sure seemed excited about these three: [URL]http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/37241/original-gta-map-imported-into-gtaiv-found-on-youtube.html[/URL] They're actually plugging for a GTA III to IV conversion in that article as well.