Germany’s first vegan kindergarten: progressive education or physical abuse? - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]In August the Mokita Kindergarten is set to open in Frankfurt, offering parents the chance to send their children to a preschool where there are no meat, egg or dairy products on the menu. The concept has come in for heavy criticism from city politicians. The kindergarten, which will at first care for 40 children, has set itself ambitious goals. Their stated aim is to create toddlers with the ability “to take account of conflicting goals when considering strategies for action” and to “reflect their own mission statements and those of others.” Even the eco-friendly Green Party don't seem impressed. “I almost had a heart attack when I heard about it,” Birgit Ross of the Greens told the FR. The opening of Germany’s first all-vegan kindergarten has also been met with raised eyebrows among nutritional experts. “We are very sceptical about this,” a spokeswoman for the German Nutritional Society (DGE) told The Local on Wednesday. “While we don’t fundamentally recommend parents not to raise young children vegan, it needs to be done with a high level of knowledge and the additional use of supplements.” [/QUOTE] Source: [url]https://www.thelocal.de/20180314/germanys-first-vegan-kindergarten-progressive-education-or-physical-abuse[/url]

This is NOT what I would call "starting them off right."

[QUOTE=ElderLolz;53201686]They're toddlers. You can live your life however you want, but let the kids decide what kind of food they want to eat themselves.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say that, but make sure you feed them properly. They need all their essential nutrients since they're still growing up.

I'm not too keen to take sides on this argument, but at the very least they'll probably be able to provide more wholesome vegan meals than any standard kindergarten could. [QUOTE=ElderLolz;53201686]They're toddlers. You can live your life however you want, but let the kids decide what kind of food they want to eat themselves.[/QUOTE] To be fair, if kids could decide what they eat, a lot of them would pick sugary stuff or dirt.

[QUOTE=ElderLolz;53201686]They're toddlers. You can live your life however you want, but let the kids decide what kind of food they want to eat themselves.[/QUOTE] Haha have you ever lived with kids?

So are they going to be providing b12 supplements as well?

I know from personal experience that vegan alternatives can be absolutely nutritional enough for adults, but I don't how that translates for developing kids. As long as the they are getting what they need in a good balance, there shouldn't be any problems at all.

[QUOTE=ElderLolz;53201686]They're toddlers. You can live your life however you want, but let the kids decide what kind of food they want to eat themselves.[/QUOTE] Kindergarteners are not capable of deciding nutritional diets for themselves. If my 3 year old nephew decided what to eat for himself he would pick spaghetti [I]every damn day[/I]. This “let them decide for themselves!!” shit should stop right now.

[QUOTE=sgman91;53201823]So are they going to be providing b12 supplements as well?[/QUOTE] I'm a vegetarian and I take a b12 vitamin every day it helps out tho.

As long as they make actually good vegan food like lentil curries or something and not shitty white people vegan food like raw vegetables in a bowl with quinoa.

[QUOTE=ElderLolz;53201775]I worded that poorly, I'm sorry. What I mean to say is, a person should decide when they want to start living a vegan lifestyle themself. As Lexi said, kids need essential nutrients that most animal products deliver for their developing bodies.[/QUOTE] I dunno, I think I could make the equally valid (maybe more valid) argument that choosing to eat meat should be the adult decision and not the default. A well balanced vegan diet is just as nutritionally adequate as a well balanced diet with animal products.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;53201902]I could make the equally valid (maybe more valid) argument that choosing to eat meat should be the adult decision and not the default. A well balanced vegan diet is just as nutritionally adequate as a well balanced diet with animal products p.s I eat meat[/QUOTE] I think the best choice, until your child is able to make the conscious decision for themselves, is whatever gets the proper nutrients your child needs into their body. Doesn't matter if it's quinoa or a rare steak. The absolute priority is your child getting the proper nutrients.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;53201902]I dunno, I think I could make the equally valid (maybe more valid) argument that choosing to eat meat should be the adult decision and not the default. A well balanced vegan diet is just as nutritionally adequate as a well balanced diet with animal products.[/QUOTE] The fact that supplements are required makes that clearly false. A vegan diety cannot provide the body with everything it requires without artifical addatives.

[QUOTE=sgman91;53201910]The fact that supplements are required makes that clearly false. A vegan diety cannot provide the body with everything it requires without artifical addatives.[/QUOTE] Supplements are not required in a balanced vegan/veggie diet. Some people do not drink enough soy milk or don't like it for example, so they have to take B12 supplements. Why is that any different to a meat eater who doesn't eat/like certain things and thus has to take supplements?

[QUOTE=Murkrow;53201757]I'm not too keen to take sides on this argument, but at the very least they'll probably be able to provide more wholesome vegan meals than any standard kindergarten could. To be fair, if kids could decide what they eat, a lot of them would pick sugary stuff or dirt.[/QUOTE] As a kid, I once puked because all I did was (over)eat candies for 1 day. How fucking retarded that was of me.

I'm not a vegan but the implication that feeding children a vegan diet is abuse is some hilariously hysterical bullshit.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53201954]I'm not a vegan but the implication that feeding children a vegan diet is abuse is some hilariously hysterical bullshit.[/QUOTE] From my understanding a vegan diet essentially consists of balancing on a razor's edge of proper nutritional intake. Children pretty much need to vacuum up every food (except sugary bullshit) in sight to provide everything they might need to grow.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;53201902]I dunno, I think I could make the equally valid (maybe more valid) argument that choosing to eat meat should be the adult decision and not the default. A well balanced vegan diet is just as nutritionally adequate as a well balanced diet with animal products.[/QUOTE] Factually false, which is why this is a "thing" to begin with. Humans are omnivores and politics won't change that. If, and a big if they are being provided with the proper supplements to go with their current regimen there's no issue with feeding them vegan, but I see zero mention of any means to completely round out their diets, which is why even vegan nutrionists have issue with this.

[QUOTE=ElderLolz;53201686]They're toddlers. You can live your life however you want, but let the kids decide what kind of food they want to eat themselves.[/QUOTE] kids are dumb af, have you tried feeding your nephews or nieces

I see this as an abuse. This because a toddler needs every nutrient to grow up healthily and with no issues or deficencies due the lack of any vitamin. While vegetables and such are good things to let a kid eat, making them only eat those is just bad.

humans need protein, growing ones doubly so, so yes it is abuse to force them to eat a diet that isn't recomended for them plus the whole anti-anything-from-anything-with-a-face mentality of veganism is just dumb itself, milking cows can't stop producing milk, chickens keep laying eggs regardless of fertilization, and these animals aren't going anywhere

[QUOTE=Sableye;53202016]humans need protein, growing ones doubly so, so yes it is abuse to force them to eat a diet that isn't recomended for them[/QUOTE] You dont know much about this eh? [url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704[/url] [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11424545[/URL] [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3414589[/URL] Well planned vegan diets work for all ages. Also, protein is not a concern whatsoever for vegans.

[QUOTE=27X;53201986]Factually false, which is why this is a "thing" to begin with. Humans are omnivores and politics won't change that. If, and a big if they are being provided with the proper supplements to go with their current regimen there's no issue with feeding them vegan, but I see zero mention of any means to completely round out their diets, which is why even vegan nutrionists have issue with this.[/QUOTE] I'd love a source on it being factually false because the The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics says otherwise. [quote]It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that [B]appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.[/B] These diets are [B]appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.[/B] Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. [B]Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions[/B], including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity.[/quote] It's okay to admit that eating meat might be kinda bad you know. I eat it and live with that fact. Don't try skew the truth.

[QUOTE=Sableye;53202016]plus the whole anti-anything-from-anything-with-a-face mentality of veganism is just dumb itself, milking cows can't stop producing milk, chickens keep laying eggs regardless of fertilization, and these animals aren't going anywhere[/QUOTE] Dumb to be against killing other sentient organisms? You do realize we breed these animals ourselves and cows for example are forced to give birth and have their children kidnapped to produce milk right?

[QUOTE=sgman91;53201910]The fact that supplements are required makes that clearly false. A vegan diety cannot provide the body with everything it requires without artifical addatives.[/QUOTE] I'm not a vegan, but if the supplements are also vegan then why does it matter at all? [editline]14th March 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetracycline;53202033]Dumb to be against killing other sentient organisms? You do realize we breed these animals ourselves and cows for example are forced to give birth and have their children kidnapped to produce milk right?[/QUOTE] ahahaha oh my god. "Kidnapped". "Forced to give birth", as if having a child is a conscious decision made by an animal.

[QUOTE=phygon;53202035]I'm not a vegan, but if the supplements are also vegan then why does it matter at all? [editline]14th March 2018[/editline] ahahaha oh my god. "Kidnapped".[/QUOTE] The calfs are literally separated from their mother whom wants to see them. Why isnt that basically kidnapping...?

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;53202033]Dumb to be against killing other sentient organisms? You do realize we breed these animals ourselves and cows for example are forced to give birth and have their children kidnapped to produce milk right?[/QUOTE] Sentient?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53202045]Sentient?[/QUOTE] Animals are, in fact, able to feel and perceive things.

-derppost-

[QUOTE=phygon;53202050]That's not what sentience is[/QUOTE] [quote]Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive or experience subjectively.[1] Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to think (reason) from the ability to feel (sentience). In modern Western philosophy, sentience is the ability to experience sensations (known in philosophy of mind as "qualia").[/quote]