CC holder drops gun in a "no-gun zone" hospital; discharges and injures random patient - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE]JACKSON, MS (Mississippi News Now) - University of Mississippi Medical Center Police have arrested a woman and charged her after she dropped her purse and the gun inside fired. The bullet struck a patient. It happened at the Lakeland Family Medicine Clinic on Lakeland Drive in Jackson. Chief Michael Stamps said 59-year-old Debra Romedy McQuillen of Philadelphia owns the gun. Around 11 a.m. Thursday, McQuillen was on the fourth floor of the medical facility when the patient was shot in the leg. Inside McQuillen's purse was a 22 caliber Derringer. "She was within her rights to carry the weapon because she had her proper enhanced carry permits, but this is a nonpublic area, so therefore what she was doing is illegal," said UMMC Police Chief Michael Stamps.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/35521230/woman-faces-federal-charges-when-gun-goes-off-striking-a-patient"]Source (Warning: autoplay)[/URL] At least the victim was already in a hospital.

"WOOPS" were they throwing it (the purse) or something [t]http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/3/1/7/125317_v1.jpg[/t]

I presume the derringer is one that has no trigger guard or safety and was probably cocked so the shock of dropping it jarred it into firing.

Mississippi enforces private requests for gun-free zones? From what I can tell most places elsewhere, it is just a request, but not anything legally binding (excepting government facilities, or places mentioned specifically in law).

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52328116]Mississippi enforces private requests for gun-free zones? From what I can tell most places elsewhere, it is just a request, but not anything legally binding (excepting government facilities, or places mentioned specifically in law).[/QUOTE] She's facing a felony charge for carrying there, so yeah, looks like it. I think that specific charge is pretty stupid but obviously she should be facing assault through negligence and lose her CC license permanently. You obviously shouldn't be carrying in a hospital unless you are a hospital employee so the law should be amended to prohibit guests from carrying guns in hospitals, but the "don't CC here" signs shouldn't be legally enforceable.

Jesus christ, there are so many things wrong with this, especially as an avid gun owner. You're carrying a firearm in a purse, the first thing someone is likely going to take away from you, and one of the least secure methods of actually carrying a firearm. You're carrying a .22 LR pistol, the least effective self defense caliber imaginable. You're carrying in a government enforced no carry zone. Even if you DID have to use it, you'd still be in deep shit. You're carrying a fucking derringer, a two shot handgun that is NOT DROP SAFE, depending on the model. Which means she's just been carrying this firearm around, likely with the firing pin resting on the rim of the cartridge, just waiting to be dropped. i'm second amendment ALL THE WAY but a judge needs to suspend her conceal and carry license for a few years and require her to take mandatory classes. christ. people like this absolutely ruin it for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Whibble;52328129]Jesus christ, there are so many things wrong with this, especially as an avid gun owner. You're carrying a firearm in a purse, the first thing someone is likely going to take away from you, and one of the least secure methods of actually carrying a firearm. You're carrying a .22 LR pistol, the least effective self defense caliber imaginable. You're carrying in a government enforced no carry zone. Even if you DID have to use it, you'd still be in deep shit. You're carrying a fucking derringer, a two shot handgun that is NOT DROP SAFE, depending on the model. Which means she's just been carrying this firearm around, likely with the firing pin resting on the rim of the cartridge, just waiting to be dropped. i'm second amendment ALL THE WAY but a judge needs to suspend her conceal and carry license for a few years and require her to take mandatory classes. christ. people like this absolutely ruin it for the rest of us.[/QUOTE] I'd bet it was a .22 magnum revolver derringer but otherwise yes all the way.

I'm really wondering how someone can even drop a purse like this knowing that there is a gun inside [editline]8th June 2017[/editline] how can you be so dumbfoundedly clumsy that you don't carry it extra carefully

[QUOTE=J!NX;52328253]I'm really wondering how someone can even drop a purse like this knowing that there is a gun inside [editline]8th June 2017[/editline] how can you be so dumbfoundedly clumsy that you don't carry it extra carefully[/QUOTE] probably the same way people drop $400 phones on the concrete.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;52328273]probably the same way people drop $400 phones on the concrete.[/QUOTE] thats a little different, there is nothing you can really grip with a gun you have a ton of spots to wrap your hand around with a purse you have an entire strap and can even shoulder it around the neck, or just wrap it around your hand or some shit (if its too short) with a phone like mine there isn't [URL="http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/samsung-pay/images/apps_samsungpay_feature09_list02_pc.jpg"]really anything to grip[/URL]

[QUOTE=Whibble;52328129]Jesus christ, there are so many things wrong with this, especially as an avid gun owner. You're carrying a firearm in a purse, the first thing someone is likely going to take away from you, and one of the least secure methods of actually carrying a firearm. You're carrying a .22 LR pistol, the least effective self defense caliber imaginable. You're carrying in a government enforced no carry zone. Even if you DID have to use it, you'd still be in deep shit. You're carrying a fucking derringer, a two shot handgun that is NOT DROP SAFE, depending on the model. Which means she's just been carrying this firearm around, likely with the firing pin resting on the rim of the cartridge, just waiting to be dropped. i'm second amendment ALL THE WAY but a judge needs to suspend her conceal and carry license for a few years and require her to take mandatory classes. christ. people like this absolutely ruin it for the rest of us.[/QUOTE] Afaik it's a felony to carry in a no-gun zone like a hospital, so she'll lose her second amendment rights entirely.

Imagine being dumb enough to leave a loaded gun in your purse, where it can snag on stuff, and fire without warning.

[QUOTE=Whibble;52328129]Jesus christ, there are so many things wrong with this, especially as an avid gun owner. You're carrying a firearm in a purse, the first thing someone is likely going to take away from you, and one of the least secure methods of actually carrying a firearm. You're carrying a .22 LR pistol, the least effective self defense caliber imaginable. You're carrying in a government enforced no carry zone. Even if you DID have to use it, you'd still be in deep shit. You're carrying a fucking derringer, a two shot handgun that is NOT DROP SAFE, depending on the model. Which means she's just been carrying this firearm around, likely with the firing pin resting on the rim of the cartridge, just waiting to be dropped. i'm second amendment ALL THE WAY but a judge needs to suspend her conceal and carry license for a few years and require her to take mandatory classes. christ. people like this absolutely ruin it for the rest of us.[/QUOTE] To play devil's advocate, they do make purses specifically for conceal carry: [T]https://www.gunhandbags.com/sites/default/files/styles/vt_commerce_image_zoom/public/basic_hobo_handbag_1.jpg?itok=cCPkI_Lu[/t] I think Coach even makes one. But she still shouldn't have been carrying a derringer cocked, or even at all unless its a backup. Also carrying in a gun free zone.

I'd sooner conceal carry a pipe pistol I made out of rusty aluminum and some wood screws before even considering a .22 derringer.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52328115]I presume the derringer is one that has no trigger guard or safety and was probably cocked so the shock of dropping it jarred it into firing.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's a small and easy to conceal pistol [t]http://cdn3.volusion.com/qspru.vgmck/v/vspfiles/photos/COB-C22SP-2.jpg?1395586111[/t]

[QUOTE=NitronikALT;52328510]Yes, it's a small and easy to conceal pistol [t]http://cdn3.volusion.com/qspru.vgmck/v/vspfiles/photos/COB-C22SP-2.jpg?1395586111[/t][/QUOTE] I'm aware... not all derringers have unguarded triggers and no safety, though.

[QUOTE=NitronikALT;52328510]Yes, it's a small and easy to conceal pistol [t]http://cdn3.volusion.com/qspru.vgmck/v/vspfiles/photos/COB-C22SP-2.jpg?1395586111[/t][/QUOTE] i'd rather not carry then carry that

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52328416]To play devil's advocate, they do make purses specifically for conceal carry: [T]https://www.gunhandbags.com/sites/default/files/styles/vt_commerce_image_zoom/public/basic_hobo_handbag_1.jpg?itok=cCPkI_Lu[/t] I think Coach even makes one. [/QUOTE] They make them, sure, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. People steal purses out of cars and rip them out of people's arms. It's unlikely, but concealing in a purse is a terrible idea. You have no way of easily accessing the firearm should a real situation arise, and it's 30x more likely to just be lost or stolen than if she had kept it on her person. If someone is mugging you, or trying to rape you or whatever else, you don't want to have to spend 30 seconds rifling through a zipped up purse to try and find your firearm. There are plenty of female attire friendly holsters that work just fine. My wife carries a SIG P938 in a small inside the waistband holster.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52328116]Mississippi enforces private requests for gun-free zones? From what I can tell most places elsewhere, it is just a request, but not anything legally binding (excepting government facilities, or places mentioned specifically in law).[/QUOTE] we have 2 different carry permit, the basic one that lets you cc in all the normal places minus places with signage prohibiting it, and one with much more stringent requirements that allows you to carry literally anywhere except federal prisons and airplanes going out of state the worst they can actually get you for if you carry someplace with signage is trespassing unless it's a govt building. [editline]8th June 2017[/editline] also she was carrying an unsafe gun. no gun made in the past half a century will!fire when dropped unless something is seriously wrong with it

[QUOTE=butre;52328573]we have 2 different carry permit, the basic one that lets you cc in all the normal places minus places with signage prohibiting it, and one with much more stringent requirements that allows you to carry literally anywhere except federal prisons and airplanes going out of state the worst they can actually get you for if you carry someplace with signage is trespassing unless it's a govt building. [editline]8th June 2017[/editline] also she was carrying an unsafe gun. no gun made in the past half a century will!fire when dropped unless something is seriously wrong with it[/QUOTE] I'm not doubting her stupidity, I was unaware MS had multiple licenses. I'm from Florida, and the signage is nothing more than an informal request. Good to know though.

[QUOTE=butre;52328573]also she was carrying an unsafe gun. no gun made in the past half a century will!fire when dropped unless something is seriously wrong with it[/QUOTE] Could be something like a pen had snagged in the trigger guard. That's another reason you don't carry inside purses or pockets. Holsters. Use them.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52328116]Mississippi enforces private requests for gun-free zones? From what I can tell most places elsewhere, it is just a request, but not anything legally binding (excepting government facilities, or places mentioned specifically in law).[/QUOTE] um no, its quite illegal to bring a gun in a no-gun zone, at least in my state. its also illegal to bring a gun on the premises of a private property that doesn't want them

[QUOTE=Sableye;52329711]um no, its quite illegal to bring a gun in a no-gun zone, at least in my state. its also illegal to bring a gun on the premises of a private property that doesn't want them[/QUOTE] Some states (like Minnesota) don't give no gun signs like at theaters force of law except for government buildings and bars I believe.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52329711]um no, its quite illegal to bring a gun in a no-gun zone, at least in my state. its also illegal to bring a gun on the premises of a private property that doesn't want them[/QUOTE] Well, this is why I said "from [B]most[/B] places". Allowing the sure exceptions that had to exist.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52328116]Mississippi enforces private requests for gun-free zones? From what I can tell most places elsewhere, it is just a request, but not anything legally binding (excepting government facilities, or places mentioned specifically in law).[/QUOTE] Hospitals and schools are a few of those places that you really should not need to ask if you can bring your gun to.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52328126]She's facing a felony charge for carrying there, so yeah, looks like it. I think that specific charge is pretty stupid but obviously she should be facing assault through negligence and lose her CC license permanently. You obviously shouldn't be carrying in a hospital unless you are a hospital employee so the law should be amended to prohibit guests from carrying guns in hospitals, but the "don't CC here" signs shouldn't be legally enforceable.[/QUOTE] so you don't think a landlord/property owner has a legal right to keep guns off his property? what happened to property rights?

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;52328496]I'd sooner conceal carry a pipe pistol I made out of rusty aluminum and some wood screws before even considering a .22 derringer.[/QUOTE] how about you come say that to my face irl not online see what happens? [img]https://i.imgur.com/ZugOmUV.png[/img]

[QUOTE=jordguitar;52330989]Hospitals and schools are a few of those places that you really should not need to ask if you can bring your gun to.[/QUOTE] Despite them being the most susceptible to attacks. I'm a CC permit holder and I happily respect all signs and requests for me not to carry in certain places, but gun free zones are proven not to work. The reality is that people you dont want to have guns still get their hands on them, and theyre not going to respect a sign on the door. [editline]9th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=cis.joshb;52331090]so you don't think a landlord/property owner has a legal right to keep guns off his property? what happened to property rights?[/QUOTE] Pretty sure a Landlord can choose not to lease to a person who will be storing firearms and ammunition on the property.

I honestly thought .22 derringers were illegal. I remember my father talking to his friends about what a stupid gun it was when I was a kid, and how it was no big loss that they'd been outlawed. I guess it was a city ordinance banning them or something.

Sounds like she was carrying one of those NAA mini revolvers. Could have avoided the whole issue if she just put the hammer in the safety notch on the cylinder, but apparently nobody knows what those are for. She's a dumbass for carrying in the hospital, dumbass for carrying in a purse, dumbass for not using the built in safety feature on the revolver, and dumbass for getting someone shot. She deserves whatever is coming to her.